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[Viewpoint]

What is wrong with waiting for the balance of power to change oracle? I thought you were all for it, in the same boat as Piratis.

Viewpoint, our leaders are talking BBF and political equality and yes, the mandate of the Greek Cypriots to Christofias was to make a last ditch effort for BBF because we all realised where the Papadopoulos policy was getting us.

Bananiot I think BBF with political equality on issues sensative to both sides woudl be a great start to building trust and cooperation. Bith sides have big trust issues thats why we ask for so many safeguards, but if both sides stick to the agreement this time and display goodwill for the whole of Cyprus I think it might work. But if GCs insist on the the continuation of the "RoC" with us as a minority with no community rights we will side with Turkey and continue on as is.

[Bananiot]

I was listening to Toumazos Tsielepis today. He is the head of the Greek Cypriot delegates of the working groups and the technical committees. He repeated that the reason we are moving towards a bicommunal, bizonal federation is because we want to tackle the problem which is one of invasion and occupation but also one of mending the relations between the two communities.

He argued that there is no other way towards solving these problems and achieving solution to the long-standing Cyprus issue. At long last we have a government which means business and speaks clearly to the people about the nature of the only solution possible. We should all stand behind the government and stop poisoning the people with calls for a unitary Cyprus that does not stand a chance of ever materialising. If, again we go hell bent for something not feasible, we will pay an even heftier penalty. There is no doubt about this and thus all those that support unitary Cyprus are working, in practice, for the demise of our country.

[Oracle]

... all those that support unitary Cyprus are working, in practice, for the demise of our country.

Bananiot ... I'd like to bisect you!

[Bananiot]

You should think about bisecting Piratis. I am only throwing back his arguments that he readily produced prior to february 17.

[Kifeas]

What is wrong with waiting for the balance of power to change oracle? I thought you were all for it, in the same boat as Piratis.

Viewpoint, our leaders are talking BBF and political equality and yes, the mandate of the Greek Cypriots to Christofias was to make a last ditch effort for BBF because we all realised where the Papadopoulos policy was getting us.

Bananiot I think BBF with political equality on issues sensative to both sides woudl be a great start to building trust and cooperation. Bith sides have big trust issues thats why we ask for so many safeguards, but if both sides stick to the agreement this time and display goodwill for the whole of Cyprus I think it might work. But if GCs insist on the the continuation of the "RoC" with us as a minority with no community rights we will side with Turkey and continue on as is.

First of all VP, the RoC, as it is established, does not regard the TCs to have no community rights! The same constitution that existed in 1960, continues to exist today, without being changed and regardless of the fact that it is not fully applicable at present or since 1964, due to the well known reasons and circumstances!

Second, we do not speak about a continuation of the 1960 RoC as a bi-communal unitary state, but only about the evolution of this into a bi-communal federal state! The bi-communal ingredient already exists in principle, in the 1960 constitution! The political equality of the two communities already exists in principle, in the 1960 RoC constitution; although in an unworkable and unbalanced form, which needs revisiting! The added ingredient will be the alteration of the 1960 unitary nature (one centrally administrated territory,) into a federative nature with two component states with regional governments and one central government on top.

Thirdly, if your side intents to continue with "virgin births" and the rest of the shit talk you are currently doing, chances are the status quo and your isolation will continue indefinitely, since only over our dead bodies it will ever be possible for you to get recognition (we might as well turn the whole EU upside down, and even go as far as cause its paralysis if need be;) plus mama Turka will eventually "get the boot" once and for good, from her EU accession process, an outcome that may as well casue a complete chaos internaly and hopefully your "motherland's" eventual fragmentation!

I hope my English was quite understandable this time!

[bill cobbett]

I was listening to Toumazos Tsielepis today. He is the head of the Greek Cypriot delegates of the working groups and the technical committees. He repeated that the reason we are moving towards a bicommunal, bizonal federation is because we want to tackle the problem which is one of invasion and occupation but also one of mending the relations between the two communities.

He argued that there is no other way towards solving these problems and achieving solution to the long-standing Cyprus issue. At long last we have a government which means business and speaks clearly to the people about the nature of the only solution possible. We should all stand behind the government and stop poisoning the people with calls for a unitary Cyprus that does not stand a chance of ever materialising. If, again we go hell bent for something not feasible, we will pay an even heftier penalty. There is no doubt about this and thus all those that support unitary Cyprus are working, in practice, for the demise of our country.

Oh yes, why not? Let's legitimise the occupation, let's reward the invaders and their collaborators and let's make legally permanent the division of the Island. Let's continue by giving the RoT the right to intervene in Cy affairs etc. etc.

[Bananiot]

Will you agree to guaranteed majorities in the two component states, Kifeas?

[halil]

It was on news tonight That president Talat was under the pressure from civil organisations ,
Why they didn't put sport on the negotiation table .
He said them he will take it to table . he has done meetings with sports column writers as well about this subject.

[halil]

It was on news tonight That president Talat was under the pressure from civil organisations ,
Why they didn't put sport on the negotiation table .
He said them he will take it to table . he has done meetings with sports column writers as well about this subject.

President Mehmet Ali Talat has described the current situation in Cyprus as ‘not perfect’ but at least better when compared to the darker history of the past years.
The President’s statement came during a speech he delivered at the 48th regular general assembly meeting of the Cyprus Turkish Engineers’ and Architects’ Union this morning.
Touching upon the latest developments on the Cyprus issue, the President said the Greek Cypriot Leader Dimitris Christofias and him have surprisingly taken initiatives towards a settlement within a month only, adding that he could not do all this with Tassos Papadopoulos in one and a half years.

Mr Talat noted that a new process of solution has kicked off in Cyprus following the presidential elections in the South in February and that Mr Christofias is following a positive approach towards the solution of the Cyprus problem.

Reminding that Mr Christofias and him agreed on the need for a settlement during their meeting in March, the President said the agenda of working groups and technical committees were set within this context.
`The Turkish Cypriot side has always favoured the establishment of a common agenda between the two sides and this has finally been possible with Mr Christofias. This is a very significant step` he said.

President Talat said however that some sides are trying to bring some difficulties into the new process and reminded that Mr Christofias and his special aide Yorgos Yakovu are being accused of negotiating the Annan Plan by these sides.

Reminding that the Turkish Cypriot People approved the Annan Plan with a 65% majority, the President stated that he still has faithfulness towards the Plan and it will be very normal to bring the Plan back on the table.
`However, I have never said that we have been negotiating the Annan Plan. What I want is to negotiate a plan which will be mutually acceptable` Talat stressed.

Expressing disappointment over the fact that the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot People is still continuing, President Talat said the difficulties put forward on the implementation of the EU Financial Aid Regulation for Turkish Cypriots during Mr Papadopulos’ term in office are still present and added that European diplomats who want to pay visits to him are still facing some interference.

[Kifeas]

Will you agree to guaranteed majorities in the two component states, Kifeas?

I already said that guaranteed majorities is already a fact of life! I do not agree with guaranteed majorities in the way the Turkish side wants to enforce it, i.e. on a purely apartheid criteria and basis. I am willing to accept a formula which will be based on the maintenance of Cypriot citizens' permanent state residency according to the territorial size of each state! I.e. if the north state will have a size equal to 25% of the island, the number of Cypriot citizens (regardless of ethnic origin,) should approximately be equal to the 25% of the total Cypriot population. This mean that if all TCs will choose to remain within the boundaries of this state, only an additional number of GCs equal to the difference between the demographic percentage of the TC community and the territorial size of the state, may attain permanent state residency (with voting rights) inside this state! I cannot accept the logic that if in theory, the majority of TCs will gradually choose to move out of such a state, the state shall remain empty from other Cypriot people (i.e. GCs) so that a particular ethnic ratio should always remain intact! This is nonsense, and a totally unhistorical and unjust arrangement!