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[Bananiot]

Well, it is a thorny issue four our side. Do we wait for the balance of power to change (as Nikitas suggested) and kick Turkey out of Cyprus or do we go for a compromise solution in order to avoid the worst. You know what my position is but I am no nationalist. Internationalism has always been my cup of tea, as you english would say.

[boomerang]

Well, it is a thorny issue four our side. Do we wait for the balance of power to change (as Nikitas suggested) and kick Turkey out of Cyprus or do we go for a compromise solution in order to avoid the worst. You know what my position is but I am no nationalist. Internationalism has always been my cup of tea, as you english would say.

Two things Bananiot...

1...what exactly is the worst?...continous blackmail from "turkey=fascist state" with illegal colonization?...

2...compromise...where do you draw the line?...whats to say you compromise today and having to compromise tomorrow, coz you are willing to compromise?

I see you ignore the post, learn from others and move forward...my solution of embrassing democracy today while respecting human rights goes hand in hand with what the fascist state is trying to achieve via her EU aspirations...Why join a club if you aren't willing to change?

It's all up to the fascist state to come to terms with her EU aspirations...or you gonna sit there and tell me one rule for all EU members and a different one for the fascist state?

Sorry to say this to you Bananniot, you have become a dinosaur of the past locked in a time warp...

[Piratis]

Well, it is a thorny issue four our side. Do we wait for the balance of power to change (as Nikitas suggested) and kick Turkey out of Cyprus or do we go for a compromise solution in order to avoid the worst. You know what my position is but I am no nationalist. Internationalism has always been my cup of tea, as you english would say.

If we are are ever given the chance for a compromise solution then we will go for it.

"Compromise solution" should still be a solution though. "Compromise solution" doesn't mean solving 1/10th of our problems and creating 5/10ths more problems. Thats making the problem bigger overall, not solving it.

The ideal solution is the one that truly solves the problem, the one that most people according to this poll prefer. (but of course Cypriots will never be allowed to democratically have what they want on their own island)

Going back to 1960 agreements is still a compromise solution, since the TC minority and Turkey were given a lot on our loss by those foreigners who wrote the constidution and forced it on us.

We could even be more compromising, and accept that a small part of Cyprus (not more than 18%) could be administered by TCs in a true federal structure.

But what kind of solution would it be if we recognize that 1/3rd of our country is "Turkish", giving to Turkey the official partition they always dreamed about and on top of that we give to an 18% minority managed by Turkey the power to control the whole Cyprus???

I am really puzzled by the people who consider this as a "solution". Such thing solves only a small part of the problem, but creates a lot more in return. The only thing that such "solution" solves is that a small part of land is returned, and additionally some GCs will be able to return under Turkish rule in a Turkish state, as a minority. (and from the polls it seems not many would). There is really nothing else solved. Everything else is in fact made worst.

So when we could have achieved something better with an official partition (which is not a solution) then how can some people claim that something like the Annan plan can be a solution??? It doesn't make sense at all. Are those people so naive they fall for the label of "unification" which is given to that partition arrangement?

[Nikitas]

Oracle said:

"I think it is Democracy and Freedom that the TCs fear and not just the GCs"

Funny thing is Oracle that under a one man one vote system the TCs with 18 per cent of the vote would be the real powermakers, and have much more substantial say in all things than under any other setup. The only thing missing in such a fully democratic system is a role for Turkey, and that has been the key to this puzzle all along.

[denizaksulu]

Oracle said:

"I think it is Democracy and Freedom that the TCs fear and not just the GCs"

Funny thing is Oracle that under a one man one vote system the TCs with 18 per cent of the vote would be the real powermakers, and have much more substantial say in all things than under any other setup. The only thing missing in such a fully democratic system is a role for Turkey, and that has been the key to this puzzle all along.

If it was as you say, then why the events of 1963. Why did Makarios try to change things? Is that the reason? They feared the TCs?

[boomerang]

Oracle said:

"I think it is Democracy and Freedom that the TCs fear and not just the GCs"

Funny thing is Oracle that under a one man one vote system the TCs with 18 per cent of the vote would be the real powermakers, and have much more substantial say in all things than under any other setup. The only thing missing in such a fully democratic system is a role for Turkey, and that has been the key to this puzzle all along.

If it was as you say, then why the events of 1963. Why did Makarios try to change things? Is that the reason? They feared the TCs?

We didn't have a one man, one vote then...the gcs voted for a president and the tcs voted for the vice president...a bullshit system to the max...

[Bananiot]

I think people like Boomerang and Piratis are the last people to give us a lecture on democracy. Boomerang uses foul language at anyone that has a different opinion to his while Piratis cries "treason" every time someone proposes something he disagrees with. If this is their idea of democracy then we should all be weary of such people.

[bill cobbett]

It seems I'll be alone in my zone. I'm the only one in it!

Get out of the buffer zone Umit!

[Bananiot]

Piratis, is it difficult to understand that in the real world there are no solutions but options? Those that have not realised this simple fact are now extinct.

[Oracle]

It seems I'll be alone in my zone. I'm the only one in it!

Get out of the buffer zone Umit!

I think his "hoodie" may have fallen down over his eyes .....