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[unitedwestand]

Oracle, I wonder if you're going to respond to my previous post? One more thing I want to ask. Why are you shit scared of Get Real?

Can you stick to the questions and theme of the topic, instead of flirting with me, asking personal questions and paying me underhanded compliments

This topic stinks. I'd rather watch paint dry than to participate on such meaning less rubbish. Until I get my answers I'll be stalking you.

[pantheman]

Do you, or do you not accept the FACT that some villages in the North are, and always have been owned by Turkish Cypriots?

Interesting question.

Where else in the World are villages owned by a certain community?

An anachronism from our legacy with our Colonial past?

Certainly an apartheid that tess is comfortable with. Anybody else?

Is one member's thoughtless comment worthy of a dedicated CyProb thread? I guess only if you're as thoughtless as they are...

But GR! ... really I have always been uncomfortable with such terminology and distinctions as TC or GC villages.

Tess having gone too far by exerting ownership just rallied for the need to get to the bottom of this anachronism.

So what do you think GR! ... should we carry on calling them GC, TC or even BC (British) villages ... .

Couldn't you just correct her on the same thread without making such a fuss out of a simple mistake?

GR, you are wrong here mate. These are not mistakes, these are deliberate attempts to plant seeds in peoples minds. If they go unchallenged next the TCs will think we accept them, no sir, no.

Oracle was quite right to take issue with it and I would too, but people like trashinshit are foreigners who are touting turkeys shit.

You should be supporting Oracle not putting her down.

Keep going Oracle, I got your back girl.

[Eric dayi]

Can you stick to the questions and theme of the topic,

Now that is rich coming from the little sock-puppet who never sticks to the theme of a topic and tries to hi-jack every topic not in her or not in GC/Greek interest.

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[Paphitis]

Do you, or do you not accept the FACT that some villages in the North are, and always have been owned by Turkish Cypriots?

Interesting question.

Where else in the World are villages owned by a certain community?

An anachronism from our legacy with our Colonial past?

Certainly an apartheid that tess is comfortable with. Anybody else?

Is one member's thoughtless comment worthy of a dedicated CyProb thread? I guess only if you're as thoughtless as they are...

But GR! ... really I have always been uncomfortable with such terminology and distinctions as TC or GC villages.

Tess having gone too far by exerting ownership just rallied for the need to get to the bottom of this anachronism.

So what do you think GR! ... should we carry on calling them GC, TC or even BC (British) villages ... .

Couldn't you just correct her on the same thread without making such a fuss out of a simple mistake?

GR, you are wrong here mate. These are not mistakes, these are deliberate attempts to plant seeds in peoples minds. If they go unchallenged next the TCs will think we accept them, no sir, no.

Oracle was quite right to take issue with it and I would too, but people like trashinshit are foreigners who are touting turkeys shit.

You should be supporting Oracle not putting her down.

Keep going Oracle, I got your back girl.

I second those sentiments.

I thought Oracle posted a legitimate discussion topic. The topic was also posted in a polite manner and was not offensive to anyone.

I think Oracle has been unfairly attacked here from a pack of vultures which followed GRs post. Get a grip people.

[purdey]

I think you have missed the link from another discussion. I believe Tess made a genuine mistake in trying to protect Halils post. There was no intention to deceive or pass fault, but "on yer bike" was onto it like a flash.
Presumably now it's Cypriots Vs Foreigners.

[Paphitis]

Can you stick to the questions and theme of the topic,

Now that is rich coming from the little sock-puppet who never sticks to the theme of a topic and tries to hi-jack every topic not in her or not in GC/Greek interest.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!

BUAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please Grow Up. Your posts are the ones which seem to be laced with spite, hatred and racism. Whenever I read your posts I get a cold shiver down by spine as I just can not beleive that racist idiots such as yourself exist in society in this day and age.

Do you not realise that many GCs and TCs are trying very hard to salvage, unify and build a united Cyprus for the future of their children? And yet all you do is spread your message of hate. Who the hell do you think you are by deliberately trying to sabotage the dreams of a Unified Cyprus which is desired by the majority of the GC and TC communities?

[Oracle]

There are some worrying parallels here with such colonialist inspired "ethnic divides" ...... which may have done their damage already in segregating the "TC"s and "GC"s .... but it may be one of the problems which needs to be addressed if history will not be allowed to repeat itself forevermore. This form of Apartheid which could and should be reversed is only a small part of the bigger problem of ethnic cleansing.

JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE

Is it Apartheid?

Moshe Machover
10 November 2004

In recent months there is a growing tendency among opponents of Israeli oppression and defenders of Palestinian rights to refer to Israeli policy towards the Palestinians as "apartheid".

The "separation wall" that Israel is constructing on Palestinian lands is often denounced as the "apartheid wall". An International conference on Palestine scheduled for 5 December 2004 at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London is entitled by its organizers as "Resisting Israeli Apartheid: Strategies and Principles".

I would like to warn against an unthinking use of this misleading analogy between Israeli policy and that of the defunct apartheid regime in South Africa. It is theoretically false and politically harmful.

To be sure, the two have many features in common. Both are perniciously racist; both impose a degree of separation between ethnic groups. And this is no accident: both are instances of the genus colonial settler state. Indeed, Israel and apartheid South Africa were, until the latter's demise, the last two surviving active instances of this genus.[1] Now Israel is the only remaining one.

But the point is that they belong to two distinct species of the genus. All colonial settlers' societies built themselves up on exploiting the resources of the country that they colonized: primarily its land, which they wrested from the indigenous people, who became dispossessed. The decisive difference between the two species was what was to become of the dispossessed natives.
In one model of colonization, their labor power became one of the indigenous resources - indeed, the main resource - to be exploited by the settlers. The ethnic conflict between the two groups thus assumed the nature of a kind of class struggle. This model is represented, in almost pure form, by apartheid South Africa.

In the other model, the native population was to be eliminated; exterminated or expelled rather than exploited. Israel is an active instance of this model. If you wish to find an instructive parallel, look not at South Africa. Rather, read Dee Brown's Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West.

Apartheid was a device for keeping the exploited natives - the majority of the population - as part of the same economy, and therefore essentially also of the same society, as the settler exploiters; but without actually admitting it, and without giving the former rights of citizenship. Officially, the natives were citizens of fake states, the Bantustans. But the last thing the architects of the apartheid state wanted was a real departure of the black Africans, whose labor power was vital for its economy.

Zionism never intended to create a Palestinostan for the Palestinian Arabs. From the very start, it planned to get rid of them, to create a purely Jewish "Land of Israel". This premeditated policy - referred to in Zionist literature as 'transfer' - was largely implemented in the 1948 war. The Palestinian Arab minority whom - for lack of time or opportunity – the nascent Israeli state failed to expel from its territory did not seem to represent a major "demographic threat". To be sure, their lands were for the most part expropriated and given over to Jewish settlements, they were severely discriminated and for many years kept under military rule. But, crucially, they were not denied rudimentary citizenship rights. They are Israeli citizens, who can vote for the Knesset.

A new problem arose following the June 1967 war. Israel found itself controlling the whole of Palestine as well as a part of Syria. But, from the Zionists' viewpoint, this great territorial acquisition of their wet dreams came with an encumbrance: a large Arab population, many of them refugees of the 1948 ethnic cleansing and their descendants. This population, which "remained 'stuck' to their places," the Zionists realized, "may destroy the very foundation of our state."[2] Israel managed to ethnically cleanse some of the newly occupied territories, such as the whole of the Golan Heights, the Latroun salient in the approaches to Jerusalem, and some refugee camps near Jericho. But the bulk of the population of the West Bank and Gaza Strip still "remained stuck to their places."

Zionists of all major parties - Labor and Likud alike - ardently wished to 'transfer' as many Palestinians as possible. The only difference was about what was considered possible. The more pragmatic or cautious among them thought that the 'world' (which for Israel meant primarily US politicians and opinion-manufacturers) would not allow a massive ethnic cleansing. On the other hand, it was becoming clear, especially during the first Intifada, that Israel could not afford to control the Palestinian population directly.

Apartheid can be reversed. Ethnic cleansing is immeasurably harder to reverse; at least not in the short or medium term.

[purdey]

Yes very good Phoenix. You know very well I am a Jew and a staunch supporter of the State of Israel, I will not rise to the bait again. Sleep well...
Nice piece in the news at the bottom of the page Re: Jews,Northern Cyprus maybe they will be interested in your last posting.

[Oracle]

Yes very good Phoenix. You know very well I am a Jew and a staunch supporter of the State of Israel, I will not rise to the bait again. Sleep well...
Nice piece in the news at the bottom of the page Re: Jews,Northern Cyprus maybe they will be interested in your last posting.

Sorry if you are offended, but you are not first and foremost in my mind. I had in fact as stated in the other thread eliminated you from my associations.

However .... I do not equate "Jews" with what in fact the State of Israel is carrying out.

But perhaps purdey you may like to reflect on how some of us Cypriots feel when you freely give us your "opinions" on matters which run deep ....

[Eric dayi]

Can you stick to the questions and theme of the topic,

Now that is rich coming from the little sock-puppet who never sticks to the theme of a topic and tries to hi-jack every topic not in her or not in GC/Greek interest.

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH!

BUAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please Grow Up. Your posts are the ones which seem to be laced with spite, hatred and racism. Whenever I read your posts I get a cold shiver down by spine as I just can not beleive that racist idiots such as yourself exist in society in this day and age.

Do you not realise that many GCs and TCs are trying very hard to salvage, unify and build a united Cyprus for the future of their children? And yet all you do is spread your message of hate. Who the hell do you think you are by deliberately trying to sabotage the dreams of a Unified Cyprus which is desired by the majority of the GC and TC communities?

Stop talking crap little man, if you weren't so stupid and racist you'd admit that your (Greeks/GCs) ideas of "unification" is nothing but a disguised ENOSIS.

Where is your proof that the majority of TCs desire a unification of any type especially if it means giving you Greeks/GCs the island on a silver platter?

Do you really believe in your tiny little mind that the talks this time will bear any fruits and your "nightmare" will be over soon and you'll wake up as the masters of the whole of Cyprus?

You communist leader said before his election that he will not change anything what TPapadope started and will do the exact same as he did so his intentions in these "new" talks is nothing but the same crap that we have gotten used to from you Greeks/GCs. Christofias will seal the partition before the end of the year, wait and see little man. And don;t put the whole blame on him will ya.