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[roseandchan]

get real ,move on. we had a war with the germans, do i hate all germans for what happened?
no. going over and over the past wont change it. Tourists looking to come to cyprus on holiday log onto this website, the constant slanging matches aren't a good advert for your country. the racist behaviour is very un european.

[Nikitas]

"the racist behaviour is very un european."

You mean racist as in me not being allowed to even go and see my house in Famagusta simply because I am Greek Cypriot? Or maybe you are referring to article 154 of the TRNC "constitution" which decreed that land belonging to Greek Cypriots was "nationalised" thus discriminating against people of one ethnic group? OR do you mean something else?

You do not "hate" Germans because they are not occupying any of your land and have not excluded you from access to your birth place. Ever thought about it that way?

[miltiades]

Boomers,

Given the chance to get something for nothing, thieves will fall out.

There is a code man...thers is a code...

In any case I would like to see these thieves taking their cases to the ECHR...now that would be throwing a spanner in the works...

...

Cant wait first case will be the loss of 50 donums of prime land taken by the "RoC" in Limasol, the "RoC" up in the dock, the monkey will dance to the tune of the ECHR.

VP , just to remind you again that THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY , EACH AND EVERY WORLD ORGANIZATION SEES CYPRUS AND THE ROC AS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY IN CYPRUS.
Inverted commas first used by the third world peasants of Anatolia are profoundly ridiculous more so when the promotion of what the World sees as an occupied part of Cyprus is proclaimed as a true Republic !!!
The ROC is the only recognised internationally government of Cyprus and so say the UN , the EU and the mighty EURO !! Now compare the EURO and the strength of it to the declining power of the Turkish Lira. Come on now , are you telling the world that the so named by Turkey TRNC happens to be the ONLY legal entity !!!! Lets get real and lets get on with solving our Cyprovb for the sake of our future generations. Turkey rules the occupied part , you know it and all T/Cs know it too !!

So? whats your point? are we any less humans to want to live in peace and harmony away from being discrminated and persecuted?? you have all that support and recognition does it solve your problem? NO. When will you realize that without our say you cannot solve jack shit get all the world on your side, get all the recognition, get all the court decision you want, it doesnt make us want a soluon anymore, it just strengthens our resolve to defend not being reduced to minority status in our own country.

NO SIR , YOU ARE NOT LESS HUMAN , YOU ARE MY EQUAL IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.
To solve our problem in a peaceful and long lasting fashion we need each other , we need to address each others concerns , we need to respect each others fears , ambitions , human rights and democratic principles. No single Cypriot should ever again feel threatened .
We need an agreement that our people , the G/Cs T/Cs and others will find reasonable and acceptable. An agreement that places Turkey as the guardian angel of our destiny is simply NOT going to be accepted any more than an agreement placing Greece in that role. We are an EU nation now , the 60s and the 70s are now history.
You are obsessed with numerical situations. There is nothing that anyone can do about the fact that the G/Cs are in the majority ,its a fact of life you will have to accept just as I have accepted here in the UK that the English are the majority.

[Svetlana]

May I ask a question (of anybody!);

Do you believe that any foreigner who has bought Pre -74 TC or Pre -74 Foreign-owned land in the North has done anything illegal?


A quick 'Yes' or 'No', with a brief explanation will suffice - no need for a lengthy History Lecture - there are plenty here already!

Lana

[Oracle]

Since the whole set-up is illegal .... then any purchases made post '74 by outsiders should also be illegal.

Internal transactions would also be debatable if under normal circumstances they would have required the authority of the RoC.

[Svetlana]

Oracle

While I appreciate the regime is illegal, is it illegal to purchase an item from the legitimate owner? The fact that it is an illegal regime should not criminalise the vendor/purchaser surely?

Lana

[tessintrnc]

May I ask a question (of anybody!);

Do you believe that any foreigner who has bought Pre -74 TC or Pre -74 Foreign-owned land in the North has done anything illegal?


A quick 'Yes' or 'No', with a brief explanation will suffice - no need for a lengthy History Lecture - there are plenty here already!

Lana

Lana "safe" title deeds (pre-74) are transferred into the new owners name by the TRNC government offices. Whether this means they are deemed "illegally" issued or not by the ROC I don't know, but there can be no dispute over who the legal (original) owner is and I suppose they have the legal right to sell it? But a very interesting and valid question!!!
Tess

[Kifeas]

Oracle

While I appreciate the regime is illegal, is it illegal to purchase an item from the legitimate owner? The fact that it is an illegal regime should not criminalise the vendor/purchaser surely?

Lana

The intents of the owner (seller) and buyer to make such a transaction are not illegal! The act itself to commit the transaction, without registering it with the RoC land registry and also pay the relevant transaction or “transfer of ownership” taxes, is illegal, since the laws of the RoC are still valid in the north, regardless of the fact that the area is under illegal foreign occupation.

[bill cobbett]

May I ask a question (of anybody!);

Do you believe that any foreigner who has bought Pre -74 TC or Pre -74 Foreign-owned land in the North has done anything illegal?


A quick 'Yes' or 'No', with a brief explanation will suffice - no need for a lengthy History Lecture - there are plenty here already!

Lana

No, nothing "illegal" has happened in these cases. To justify - people have a number of rights, one of which is to do what they wish with their property and these rights are not dependent on national or communal governments, legal or otherwise. These rights transcend governments which is why they are often referred to as fundamental.

[Viewpoint]

Boomers,

Given the chance to get something for nothing, thieves will fall out.

There is a code man...thers is a code...

In any case I would like to see these thieves taking their cases to the ECHR...now that would be throwing a spanner in the works...

...

Cant wait first case will be the loss of 50 donums of prime land taken by the "RoC" in Limasol, the "RoC" up in the dock, the monkey will dance to the tune of the ECHR.

VP , just to remind you again that THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY , EACH AND EVERY WORLD ORGANIZATION SEES CYPRUS AND THE ROC AS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY IN CYPRUS.
Inverted commas first used by the third world peasants of Anatolia are profoundly ridiculous more so when the promotion of what the World sees as an occupied part of Cyprus is proclaimed as a true Republic !!!
The ROC is the only recognised internationally government of Cyprus and so say the UN , the EU and the mighty EURO !! Now compare the EURO and the strength of it to the declining power of the Turkish Lira. Come on now , are you telling the world that the so named by Turkey TRNC happens to be the ONLY legal entity !!!! Lets get real and lets get on with solving our Cyprovb for the sake of our future generations. Turkey rules the occupied part , you know it and all T/Cs know it too !!

So? whats your point? are we any less humans to want to live in peace and harmony away from being discrminated and persecuted?? you have all that support and recognition does it solve your problem? NO. When will you realize that without our say you cannot solve jack shit get all the world on your side, get all the recognition, get all the court decision you want, it doesnt make us want a soluon anymore, it just strengthens our resolve to defend not being reduced to minority status in our own country.

NO SIR , YOU ARE NOT LESS HUMAN , YOU ARE MY EQUAL IN EVERY SENSE OF THE WORD.
To solve our problem in a peaceful and long lasting fashion we need each other , we need to address each others concerns , we need to respect each others fears , ambitions , human rights and democratic principles. No single Cypriot should ever again feel threatened .
We need an agreement that our people , the G/Cs T/Cs and others will find reasonable and acceptable. An agreement that places Turkey as the guardian angel of our destiny is simply NOT going to be accepted any more than an agreement placing Greece in that role. We are an EU nation now , the 60s and the 70s are now history.
You are obsessed with numerical situations. There is nothing that anyone can do about the fact that the G/Cs are in the majority ,its a fact of life you will have to accept just as I have accepted here in the UK that the English are the majority.

You are not indigenous to the UK, you live there as a minority and trust the English to respect your human rights and administer democracy, you made that choice when you decided to go live there.

Cyprus is totally different we are both indigenous and do not trust each other one iota due to our dark past. The wounds are to deep and neither community wants to be under the rule of the other, so the only real alternative is either a 2 state solution where everyone can choose where they wish to reside but must accept the admin of that state with veto rights for each community on predetermined sensative issues, imho I do not think this can be achieved as the chasm is to wide to bridge, thats why I support agreed partition as the only real solution available, it will take time but we can even see it on this forum people are are starting to see that I am right.