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[Viewpoint]

Listen Mr Boomerang I'm sure I speak for many GC's I have no problem with TC's returning to their homes if they want.

It's your land not ours but the Turks will not allow this. Imagine TC's living side by side with GC's how will Turkey justify their occupation then?

You see my small minded freind TC's & GC's can live together as we have proved in London. My closest friend is a TC and he has been to cyprus with me on many occasions and he has never been harmed by any GC's.

The UK is a different situation all together you are all foreigners living in someone elses country abiding by their laws, you choose to live there.

Cyprus is where we cannot share power, the GC want to turn the whole island into a GC state run by GCs with the TCs as just another minority without any community rights, we would also be foreigners in our own country theres a big difference if you cannot see this then you are more blind as that suits your ideology.

[Viewpoint]

Life continues and will not stop for anyone or anything. Unless people are given other alternaitves for making money eg ease on embargoes the use of GC land will continue, the laws have not changed, once they do then people will stop.

...well some people are really addicted to illegalities, aren't they?

Regarding the so called emborgoes, like a good ostrich you are, the easy way is to blame Gcs, isn't it?
The claim by the Turkish side that the Republic of Cyprus has imposed an economic ban, the so-called “embargo”, upon the Turkish Cypriot community living in occupied Cyprus, is imaginary and groundless. The authorities of the Cyprus Republic do not possess the means neither to impose a naval ban nor to force aircrafts, carrying passengers and goods to the occupied areas, to land at Larnaca airport.
If there is an obstruction to the economic transactions with the occupied areas, this is due to the fact that the Turkish Cypriots have unilaterally proclaimed a “state”, which was declared legally invalid by the UN Security Council, through resolutions 541 (1983) and 550 (1984).

Any possible use by international traffic, of the illegally operating airports, such as “ERCAN” (TYMBOU), violates International law, U.N. Security Council resolutions, E.U. positions and contravenes the ICAO and the EUROCONTROL Conventions, and their respective norms, standards, procedures and recommended practices.

There are no links currently, wait for the first case to be lodged at the ECHR and then we will give you links.

...in the meantime and while you are waiting for the first case, I have something for you to pass your time in the waiting room:

ECHR orders Turkey to pay up in new Cyprus property case
http://www.financialmirror.com/more_new ... t=Politics

Enjoy reading!

Please ask the EU and the rest of the world why they feel the embargoes should now be lifted on the TCs, if they are self imposed then we could remove them but everyone but the GCs will over time take steps to ease and finally remove the inhumane embargoes imposed and supported by the GCs to keep us wanting a solution. Little do they know these measures only stimulate hate and mistrust which helps TCs unite in their resolve to continue on with their fight to be recognized despite the GCs.

[roseandchan]

the trnc have been approx 2 to 3 years behind in delivering title deeds. these properties we probably purchased that long ago. recently they have been working hard to clear the backlog.

[Get Real!]

Please ask the EU and the rest of the world why they feel the embargoes should now be lifted on the TCs, if they are self imposed then we could remove them but everyone but the GCs will over time take steps to ease and finally remove the inhumane embargoes imposed and supported by the GCs to keep us wanting a solution. Little do they know these measures only stimulate hate and mistrust which helps TCs unite in their resolve to continue on with their fight to be recognized despite the GCs.

Your “plea” is hypocritical, and an insult to the vast number of Greek Cypriots who were living in the northern territory of Cyprus for thousands of years, only to be ethnically cleansed by the Turkish military in 1974 whom the Turkish Cypriot community illegally and unashamedly harbors.

Today, the Turkish Cypriot community even has the audacity to use these thousands of stolen properties and land as bargaining chips to blackmail its way into an undemocratic arrangement condemned by the United Nations repeatedly for over three decades.

On top of that, the Turkish Cypriot community also has the audacity to mock the international community’s intellect by assuming they can convince them to grant them a partial recognition, in the form of direct trade and others, with the pitiful excuse that THEIR choice to harbor the illegal Turkish military invader and thus be denied such privileges, is the source of their hate and mistrust towards the Greek Cypriots and subsequent push for recognition!

The foolhardy trickery constantly attempted, the totally absurd claims, the misinformation being spread on a global scale, and the lowest levels of dishonesty I have ever witnessed in a people, often leads me to contemplate nothing short of a full military confrontation to put an end to this disgusting charade once and for all, even at the risk of taking on a country many times stronger than my own.

[humanist]

GR

Your “plea” is hypocritical, and an insult to the vast number of Greek Cypriots who were living in the northern territory of Cyprus for thousands of years, only to be ethnically cleansed by the Turkish military in 1974 whom the Turkish Cypriot community illegally and unashamedly harbors.

Today, the Turkish Cypriot community even has the audacity to use these thousands of stolen properties and land as bargaining chips to blackmail its way into an undemocratic arrangement condemned by the United Nations repeatedly for over three decades.

On top of that, the Turkish Cypriot community also has the audacity to mock the international community’s intellect by assuming they can convince them to grant them a partial recognition, in the form of direct trade and others, with the pitiful excuse that THEIR choice to harbor the illegal Turkish military invader and thus be denied such privileges, is the source of their hate and mistrust towards the Greek Cypriots and subsequent push for recognition!

The foolhardy trickery constantly attempted, the totally absurd claims, the misinformation being spread on a global scale, and the lowest levels of dishonesty I have ever witnessed in a people, often leads me to contemplate nothing short of a full military confrontation to put an end to this disgusting charade once and for all, even at the risk of taking on a country many times stronger than my own.

here here,

That was very clear and precise. if they do not get this I doubt they stand to get anythingh else.

I do have an idea though, how about the international community along with the UN slpa Turkey with economic embargoes given they are the invading and occupation regime and may then the TC's can have some trade restrictions lifted in lead up to a solution.


OOOOOOOoooooooops I forget VP's solution is one that is unacceptable the the rest of the Cypriot community happy status quo'ing.

[Viewpoint]

Please ask the EU and the rest of the world why they feel the embargoes should now be lifted on the TCs, if they are self imposed then we could remove them but everyone but the GCs will over time take steps to ease and finally remove the inhumane embargoes imposed and supported by the GCs to keep us wanting a solution. Little do they know these measures only stimulate hate and mistrust which helps TCs unite in their resolve to continue on with their fight to be recognized despite the GCs.

Your “plea” is hypocritical, and an insult to the vast number of Greek Cypriots who were living in the northern territory of Cyprus for thousands of years, only to be ethnically cleansed by the Turkish military in 1974 whom the Turkish Cypriot community illegally and unashamedly harbors.

Today, the Turkish Cypriot community even has the audacity to use these thousands of stolen properties and land as bargaining chips to blackmail its way into an undemocratic arrangement condemned by the United Nations repeatedly for over three decades.

On top of that, the Turkish Cypriot community also has the audacity to mock the international community’s intellect by assuming they can convince them to grant them a partial recognition, in the form of direct trade and others, with the pitiful excuse that THEIR choice to harbor the illegal Turkish military invader and thus be denied such privileges, is the source of their hate and mistrust towards the Greek Cypriots and subsequent push for recognition!

The foolhardy trickery constantly attempted, the totally absurd claims, the misinformation being spread on a global scale, and the lowest levels of dishonesty I have ever witnessed in a people, often leads me to contemplate nothing short of a full military confrontation to put an end to this disgusting charade once and for all, even at the risk of taking on a country many times stronger than my own.

If GCs felt they had half the chance they would have taken miltary action years ago, it is only the presence of the Turkish army that stops them from doing this and in turn the army is the reason why we have lived peacefully for 34 years. GR is a prime example of why 1974 occured and why without guarantees can happen again.

[Viewpoint]

GR

Your “plea” is hypocritical, and an insult to the vast number of Greek Cypriots who were living in the northern territory of Cyprus for thousands of years, only to be ethnically cleansed by the Turkish military in 1974 whom the Turkish Cypriot community illegally and unashamedly harbors.

Today, the Turkish Cypriot community even has the audacity to use these thousands of stolen properties and land as bargaining chips to blackmail its way into an undemocratic arrangement condemned by the United Nations repeatedly for over three decades.

On top of that, the Turkish Cypriot community also has the audacity to mock the international community’s intellect by assuming they can convince them to grant them a partial recognition, in the form of direct trade and others, with the pitiful excuse that THEIR choice to harbor the illegal Turkish military invader and thus be denied such privileges, is the source of their hate and mistrust towards the Greek Cypriots and subsequent push for recognition!

The foolhardy trickery constantly attempted, the totally absurd claims, the misinformation being spread on a global scale, and the lowest levels of dishonesty I have ever witnessed in a people, often leads me to contemplate nothing short of a full military confrontation to put an end to this disgusting charade once and for all, even at the risk of taking on a country many times stronger than my own.

here here,

That was very clear and precise. if they do not get this I doubt they stand to get anythingh else.

I do have an idea though, how about the international community along with the UN slpa Turkey with economic embargoes given they are the invading and occupation regime and may then the TC's can have some trade restrictions lifted in lead up to a solution.


OOOOOOOoooooooops I forget VP's solution is one that is unacceptable the the rest of the Cypriot community happy status quo'ing.

Need I remind you that it was not the TCs who rejected the UN brokered comprehensive solution, it was you. So the world views you guys as the bad boys who want everything their own way.

[RAFAELLA]

Please ask the EU and the rest of the world why they feel the embargoes should now be lifted on the TCs, if they are self imposed then we could remove them but everyone but the GCs will over time take steps to ease and finally remove the inhumane embargoes imposed and supported by the GCs to keep us wanting a solution. Little do they know these measures only stimulate hate and mistrust which helps TCs unite in their resolve to continue on with their fight to be recognized despite the GCs.

No need to ask anyone VP, when you follow international law then no one can "harm" you. The question is DO YOU FOLLOW INTERNATIONAL LAW? CAN YOUR ACTIONS BE COVERED BY INTERNATIONAL LAW? You decided to accept and congratulate illegalities, that's your choice. Therefore, I don't see why you cry that you are "isolated". If you believe that you are isolated then you have to apply to those that made you hostages in your own country (if you're a Tc). When you follow the illegal path then you have to be prepared for the consequences.
If it could happen it would have happened a long time ago and the first to lift the so called embargoes would have been your closest allies, US & UK. But no matter how strong they are international law is stronger.
Following the receipt of an application from Kibris Turkish Airlines, the Government has carefully considered whether it would be possible to approve direct flights from the UK to Ercan airport in northern Cyprus. We have received clear legal advice that, under the terms of the Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation, the Republic of Cyprus would first have to designate Ercan as an international airport. They have not done so, and we have concluded that to approve such flights would be incompatible with both our international obligations under the Chicago Convention and our domestic legal obligations. http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/Page11602.asp

Visiting British Prime Minister Tony Blair said on Saturday that Britain could start direct flights to northern Cyprus unless there is a legal obstacle.
http://www.phantis.com/news/?newsID=20061217201311

..."embargoes" stimulate hate and mistrust?! Really? and what about selling our properties? what about destroying our cultural heritage? what about turning our churches into mortuaries, stables etc. ....what do all the above ...stimulate, my friend?

You look forward to recognition. It can't and it won't happen, why? I will leave you to answer the question. I'm sure you are clever enough to know the answer.

[RAFAELLA]

Please ask the EU and the rest of the world why they feel the embargoes should now be lifted on the TCs, if they are self imposed then we could remove them but everyone but the GCs will over time take steps to ease and finally remove the inhumane embargoes imposed and supported by the GCs to keep us wanting a solution. Little do they know these measures only stimulate hate and mistrust which helps TCs unite in their resolve to continue on with their fight to be recognized despite the GCs.

Here VP, you asked on my behalf:
"MEPs rejected another amendment, pushed by the Turkish lobby, regarding the so-called "isolation" of Turkish Cypriots".
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17262

[Nikitas]

Expropriation of property is an old Turkish ploy used over and over, against the Greeks of Istanbul, Imvros, Tenedos, and Smyrni. It worked for a while, then they realised that getting into the EU while robbing people of their property is not such a smart idea. Now they are returning property in Istanbul, and are relaxing the nonsense on Imvros and Tenedos.

Cyprus is another case though, and there they are going to get their worse wake up call. It will come when the foreigners who bought GC land start suing for fraud.