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[boomerang]

Guided missiles and merchant ships dont win wars, boots on the ground do. That is why the US Vice President was in Ankara a few weeks ago begging Turkey to send troops to Afghanistan, because apparently the nuclear countries who could reduce Turkey to glass are incapable of subduing the rag tag militias of the Taliban...

This explains as to how "turkey=fascists state" is so successfull in win the the war against the PKK rag tag army...

Damn... and here I was thinking that Turkey are the rag-tag experts after defeating the rag-tag defenceless Cypriots in 1974!

Hey Khan, if you ever wondered why nobody recognizes the “TRNC”, the answer is because little Cyprus’ shipping and financial services industries are far more important to them than anything Turkey has to offer.

I was talking about 2k - 5k PKK against 250,000...nice odds ha?

[Get Real!]

Guided missiles and merchant ships dont win wars, boots on the ground do. That is why the US Vice President was in Ankara a few weeks ago begging Turkey to send troops to Afghanistan, because apparently the nuclear countries who could reduce Turkey to glass are incapable of subduing the rag tag militias of the Taliban...

This explains as to how "turkey=fascists state" is so successfull in win the the war against the PKK rag tag army...

Damn... and here I was thinking that Turkey are the rag-tag experts after defeating the rag-tag defenceless Cypriots in 1974!

Hey Khan, if you ever wondered why nobody recognizes the “TRNC”, the answer is because little Cyprus’ shipping and financial services industries are far more important to them than anything Turkey has to offer.

I was talking about 2k - 5k PKK against 250,000...nice odds ha?

You gotta hand it to them... Turks love their odds!

They learned their lesson from way back in 1565 when the Ottomans sieged little Malta with 35,000 men aboard 110 odd ships only to be crushed by some 6,000 knights stationed there.

[Khan]

Guided missiles and merchant ships dont win wars, boots on the ground do. That is why the US Vice President was in Ankara a few weeks ago begging Turkey to send troops to Afghanistan, because apparently the nuclear countries who could reduce Turkey to glass are incapable of subduing the rag tag militias of the Taliban...

This explains as to how "turkey=fascists state" is so successfull in win the the war against the PKK rag tag army...

Just for your information, guided missiles and planes do win wars...I refer you to the war against Serbia...Not a single foot soldier was used...

Further more there is a question about accesibility to spare parts...

Go and have a look at the poor state of the TAF armed forces...they do not even use the same headgear, and they are very similar to WW2 outfits...

1) The PKK survives because it is given safe haven in foreign countries. First Syria, now Iraq. In the case of Syria the threat of an invasion by Turkey in 1996 was enough to get them to expel Ocalan and his crew. In Iraq, as demonstrated in the last operation, Turkey can conduct short term incursions in the most inhospitable environment and still achieve its objectives i.e. destroying the Zap facilities.

2) Milosevic backed down when it was clear NATO was preparing a ground invasion, and when he did back down, it was 50,000 KFOR troops who made sure he didn't come back into Kosovo.

3) A question about accessibility to spare parts? Thats nonsense, where did you get this idea? Instead of being short of spare parts, Turkey in fact manufactures spare parts for the US under work share programs. That means in the case of the Joint Strike Fighter program, of which Turkey is a partner, that Ankara is given a share of the manufacture in exchange of purchasing the aircraft.

4) Look forget the headgear being the same, the point is can this army conduct effective operations, is it capable and can it project power? The answer in all cases is yes.

[boomerang]

Guided missiles and merchant ships dont win wars, boots on the ground do. That is why the US Vice President was in Ankara a few weeks ago begging Turkey to send troops to Afghanistan, because apparently the nuclear countries who could reduce Turkey to glass are incapable of subduing the rag tag militias of the Taliban...

This explains as to how "turkey=fascists state" is so successfull in win the the war against the PKK rag tag army...

Just for your information, guided missiles and planes do win wars...I refer you to the war against Serbia...Not a single foot soldier was used...

Further more there is a question about accesibility to spare parts...

Go and have a look at the poor state of the TAF armed forces...they do not even use the same headgear, and they are very similar to WW2 outfits...

1) The PKK survives because it is given safe haven in foreign countries. First Syria, now Iraq. In the case of Syria the threat of an invasion by Turkey in 1996 was enough to get them to expel Ocalan and his crew. In Iraq, as demonstrated in the last operation, Turkey can conduct short term incursions in the most inhospitable environment and still achieve its objectives i.e. destroying the Zap facilities.

2) Milosevic backed down when it was clear NATO was preparing a ground invasion, and when he did back down, it was 50,000 KFOR troops who made sure he didn't come back into Kosovo.

3) A question about accessibility to spare parts? Thats nonsense, where did you get this idea? Instead of being short of spare parts, Turkey in fact manufactures spare parts for the US under work share programs. That means in the case of the Joint Strike Fighter program, of which Turkey is a partner, that Ankara is given a share of the manufacture in exchange of purchasing the aircraft.

4) Look forget the headgear being the same, the point is can this army conduct effective operations, is it capable and can it project power? The answer in all cases is yes.

oh yeah...and how many F16 block 52 has she got?...

Making wheels and tyres doesn't count as a strong manufacturing arms base khan...
The US is not silly enough to transfer technology to anyone not alone "turkey=fascist state"...Not long ago the poms threaten to pull out of the joint strike partnership...and they are stromg allies...What does that tell you about "turkey=fascists state"?

Furter more the US can ground any of their bombers at will...or you think they would allow anyone to use them against them?...keep on dreaming boy...

[Nikitas]

Copperline posed the question: "So the question is - [Note for Oracle : this is a real question] - how will that change [in Turkey] come about ? "

By going beyond Kemalism. Sounds simplistic, but the deification of one man and his ideas, no matter how beneficial they might have been decades ago, is a bind on progress. It is the first step towards change. To draw an analogy from psychiatry, a healthy person is one who can assimilate the new and vital. A person stuck on antiquated ways of behavior, which are often irrelevant to the conditions he faces, is a neurotic.

[Oracle]

A rhetorical question is a statement which does not require an answer.

Just because there is a question mark at the end of a sentence does not make it a question requiring an answer.

Not all questions are demanding of an answer. For example, "not all questions are demanding of an answer ?" That is one of the beauties of the English language.

A question which asks "In what universe has the idea of .... " is not anticipating an answer, except from the most dimwitted literalist who might answer "not in an M-theory universe, but only in an F-theory universe..."


Finally, I am not a liar. A lie entails a deliberate intention to mislead or to knowingly speak an untruth. What Oracle described as a lie presupposes that she knew what my intention was - and of course she didn't know what my intention was. She thought I was asking her a question. But I was not asking her a question. Her presumption was a mistake on her part. I will not call her a liar for this mistake, for I do not know whether she had an intention to deceive readers of her posts. However I do think she made a mistake in accusing me of lying. In fact I think that I can name the kind of mistake that she made - I think she made what the English philosopher Gilbert Ryle labelled a 'category mistake' or 'category error'. So, that said, I was not lying when I said that I was not 'posing a question' to Oracle, and nor do I think that Oracle was lying when she made some rambling accusation. She's just highly susceptible to making category errors.

So, when I write "who in the hell would respond to this bizarre post ?" I'm not, Oracle, expecting an answer, even from you.

Trying to talk your way out of a mistake again?

It's OK CopperLiar ... I have already concluded you are full of stratospheric rhetoric! You lecture with bile, disappear to synthesise another batch and then retch some more.

For the benefit of others, perhaps you should desist from using a QUESTION MARK after a "rhetorical" question and instead adopt the use of an EXCLAMATION mark, (or even a colon :).

Understood!

Not
Understood?

Pitiful attempt at obfuscation when the evidence is so clearly above.

Is CopperLiar choking in his own rhetoric!

"To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? .... "

[CopperLine]

Copperline posed the question: "So the question is - [Note for Oracle : this is a real question] - how will that change [in Turkey] come about ? "

By going beyond Kemalism. Sounds simplistic, but the deification of one man and his ideas, no matter how beneficial they might have been decades ago, is a bind on progress. It is the first step towards change. To draw an analogy from psychiatry, a healthy person is one who can assimilate the new and vital. A person stuck on antiquated ways of behavior, which are often irrelevant to the conditions he faces, is a neurotic.

Nikitas, I agree with you entirely. The neo-Kemalism of the late 1980s to the present is a crippling throwback to an idealised (indeed idolatrous) past.

[Kifeas]

Khan and the rest of bigots in here, I personally have a very good idea of what the major differences between the PKK and the TMT are, do you happen to know which ones are they, and if yes, can you possibly name them?

[Mr. T]

Perhaps Oracle, you can elaborate how you think Turkey "will destroy the EU from the inside"?

The EU has reached its near-optimal size. It does not now need an injection of 70 Million people.

Although not a Christian Club by any means - something I would oppose, as do the majority .... it has cohesion through a shared moral and cultural history which serves to unite it.

Turkey has forced its way into the European psyche not like a friend, but as an enemy of Europe ... no shared ideology ... no shared exchange of history (going back thousands of years as opposed to hundreds, predominantly violent) .... but only Barbarism, invasion and usurpation.

Turkey has not shown itself to serve any interests but its own. To this day it denies atrocities with a blindness, which if brought into the heart of Europe, would infuriate and tear asunder .

They are the perpetual wrongdoers ... the consistently disruptive ... the abominably greedy, expansionist, unstable malevolent that would be best suited in isolation.. No communal spirit

Just accept it ... you do not fit in, you are not wanted and the more you try to force your way in, the more we realise you have a vested interest which is not for the good of the EU but yours.

So why do you think they want to join so much?

What does Turkey have to offer Europe, that Europe will suffer if it lacked?

[i][b]And the million dollar question which nobody can answer ... why is it only the other misfit UK, and complete outsider USA .... that make the greatest noise for Turkey to join?[/i][/b]Judge me by my friends .... has never been more apt.

Now are you going to reciprocate? ... because CopperLine has done his usual post meaningless rhetoric, then leave without answering any points.

And what about the support for Turkey to join the EU from Bulgaria, Poland, Greece, Slovenia, Spain, the Nordic countries, Italy (at least until the recent elections and perhaps still so), Romania et al.

Is it that you are ignorant of the facts or is it alzheimers?

[Viewpoint]

Guided missiles and merchant ships dont win wars, boots on the ground do. That is why the US Vice President was in Ankara a few weeks ago begging Turkey to send troops to Afghanistan, because apparently the nuclear countries who could reduce Turkey to glass are incapable of subduing the rag tag militias of the Taliban...

This explains as to how "turkey=fascists state" is so successfull in win the the war against the PKK rag tag army...

Just for your information, guided missiles and planes do win wars...I refer you to the war against Serbia...Not a single foot soldier was used...

Further more there is a question about accesibility to spare parts...

Go and have a look at the poor state of the TAF armed forces...they do not even use the same headgear, and they are very similar to WW2 outfits...

1) The PKK survives because it is given safe haven in foreign countries. First Syria, now Iraq. In the case of Syria the threat of an invasion by Turkey in 1996 was enough to get them to expel Ocalan and his crew. In Iraq, as demonstrated in the last operation, Turkey can conduct short term incursions in the most inhospitable environment and still achieve its objectives i.e. destroying the Zap facilities.

2) Milosevic backed down when it was clear NATO was preparing a ground invasion, and when he did back down, it was 50,000 KFOR troops who made sure he didn't come back into Kosovo.

3) A question about accessibility to spare parts? Thats nonsense, where did you get this idea? Instead of being short of spare parts, Turkey in fact manufactures spare parts for the US under work share programs. That means in the case of the Joint Strike Fighter program, of which Turkey is a partner, that Ankara is given a share of the manufacture in exchange of purchasing the aircraft.

4) Look forget the headgear being the same, the point is can this army conduct effective operations, is it capable and can it project power? The answer in all cases is yes.

Khan dont fall into their trap, they are so hate ridden against Turks and TCs that even if Turkey was the most prosperous and stable country in the world they would find twisted and sick ways of running it into the gound, they continually paint doom and gloom for Turkey but of course that s not the case, has she got problems of course she has just liek any other country through out the world. So it snot worth these people are despot paranoiacs who got their butt slapped in 1974 and cannot forget it.