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[Viewpoint]

Veiwpoint even if Turkey did join the EU she will not give up Cyprus. The only way Turkey will leave cyprus is by force. Unfortunatly we the Republic Of Cyprus are not strong enough to take her on.

But who know what will happen in the future when we get our black gold. American may well change her stance and when American changes her point of veiw you what happens. Look at Saddam he was once Americas Freind now he's gone.

Good luck if that whats you want and you have the power feel free to blow us all to kingdom come but dont expect us to take things sitting down we will fight back just as hard like we did in 1974.

[boomerang]

Would you rather have Turkey outside the tent pissing in (Cyprus) and pissing around as well (Iraq, Armenia, Kurdistan) etc ? Or would you rather have Turkey inside the tent not pissing at all ?

Copperline I comend you for sticking up for your fellow countrymen, but it is not as dandy as you would like us to think. At the moment Turkey maybe pissing this way, but get her in and she will be shitting all over the place, with the rest of the EU rolling around in her crap.

Until Turkey can learn the basic priciples of civilisation, not to mention human rights abuses, lack of democracy and so on then there is no hope for her.

I would be very surprised if she was ever in a position to join, let alone this side of the next 20 years.

The EU have recently concluded a visit and report on Turkey and the changes necessary to move forward are being made, the EU was so surprised at progress that 20 years has now become 7-8, all you focus on are the negatives and not the reforms which are starting to take hold. Even on the Cyprus issue they have been the most positive party to stay open to supporting negotiations under the UN.

They must be feeding you on brainwash ceriel or something. You can't believe that surely. You own government is about to get closed down by the AG, your military bosses are dictating to the democratically elected government, you are about to pass laws to ban foreigners owning property, you cannot speak freely of fear of getting killed, FFS VP, what else should I say, and you reckon this country is ready, no mate it isn't.

The list of violation is endless, give us all a break, if your beloved turkey didn't want to join she would have said it ages ago. So please don't keep on insulting our inteligence with these scaremongering comments. Turk is not , will not and could not be ready to join and certainly not within the next 20 years. I am willing to bet you on that.

Just ask homie for the LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK and then sit back and watch him do a runner...

[miltiades]

Would you rather have Turkey outside the tent pissing in (Cyprus) and pissing around as well (Iraq, Armenia, Kurdistan) etc ? Or would you rather have Turkey inside the tent not pissing at all ?

Copperline I comend you for sticking up for your fellow countrymen, but it is not as dandy as you would like us to think. At the moment Turkey maybe pissing this way, but get her in and she will be shitting all over the place, with the rest of the EU rolling around in her crap.

Until Turkey can learn the basic priciples of civilisation, not to mention human rights abuses, lack of democracy and so on then there is no hope for her.

I would be very surprised if she was ever in a position to join, let alone this side of the next 20 years.

The EU have recently concluded a visit and report on Turkey and the changes necessary to move forward are being made, the EU was so surprised at progress that 20 years has now become 7-8, all you focus on are the negatives and not the reforms which are starting to take hold. Even on the Cyprus issue they have been the most positive party to stay open to supporting negotiations under the UN.

VP , Turkey IS duty bound to meet the criteria of EU membership come rain or shine. Turkey , just as it needed KA to modernise now it needs the EU to enter the 21st century for the good of the Turkish people and their neighbours . She will abide and she will conform , 27 other EU members did just that and Turkey is no exception.

[Viewpoint]

Would you rather have Turkey outside the tent pissing in (Cyprus) and pissing around as well (Iraq, Armenia, Kurdistan) etc ? Or would you rather have Turkey inside the tent not pissing at all ?

Copperline I comend you for sticking up for your fellow countrymen, but it is not as dandy as you would like us to think. At the moment Turkey maybe pissing this way, but get her in and she will be shitting all over the place, with the rest of the EU rolling around in her crap.

Until Turkey can learn the basic priciples of civilisation, not to mention human rights abuses, lack of democracy and so on then there is no hope for her.

I would be very surprised if she was ever in a position to join, let alone this side of the next 20 years.

The EU have recently concluded a visit and report on Turkey and the changes necessary to move forward are being made, the EU was so surprised at progress that 20 years has now become 7-8, all you focus on are the negatives and not the reforms which are starting to take hold. Even on the Cyprus issue they have been the most positive party to stay open to supporting negotiations under the UN.

They must be feeding you on brainwash ceriel or something. You can't believe that surely. You own government is about to get closed down by the AG, your military bosses are dictating to the democratically elected government, you are about to pass laws to ban foreigners owning property, you cannot speak freely of fear of getting killed, FFS VP, what else should I say, and you reckon this country is ready, no mate it isn't.

The list of violation is endless, give us all a break, if your beloved turkey didn't want to join she would have said it ages ago. So please don't keep on insulting our inteligence with these scaremongering comments. Turk is not , will not and could not be ready to join and certainly not within the next 20 years. I am willing to bet you on that.

I have stated many times that I don't think Turkey will ever be accepted fully into the EU and that her priorities should lye elsewhere. I'm only stating that you GCs should be begging for Turkey to continue with her EU perspective so that you have leverage, if that ends you have no leverage.

In your above summary you have described Romania and Bulgaria only 10 years ago, so Turkey can do it, if only they want.

[boomerang]

Would you rather have Turkey outside the tent pissing in (Cyprus) and pissing around as well (Iraq, Armenia, Kurdistan) etc ? Or would you rather have Turkey inside the tent not pissing at all ?

Copperline I comend you for sticking up for your fellow countrymen, but it is not as dandy as you would like us to think. At the moment Turkey maybe pissing this way, but get her in and she will be shitting all over the place, with the rest of the EU rolling around in her crap.

Until Turkey can learn the basic priciples of civilisation, not to mention human rights abuses, lack of democracy and so on then there is no hope for her.

I would be very surprised if she was ever in a position to join, let alone this side of the next 20 years.

The EU have recently concluded a visit and report on Turkey and the changes necessary to move forward are being made, the EU was so surprised at progress that 20 years has now become 7-8, all you focus on are the negatives and not the reforms which are starting to take hold. Even on the Cyprus issue they have been the most positive party to stay open to supporting negotiations under the UN.

They must be feeding you on brainwash ceriel or something. You can't believe that surely. You own government is about to get closed down by the AG, your military bosses are dictating to the democratically elected government, you are about to pass laws to ban foreigners owning property, you cannot speak freely of fear of getting killed, FFS VP, what else should I say, and you reckon this country is ready, no mate it isn't.

The list of violation is endless, give us all a break, if your beloved turkey didn't want to join she would have said it ages ago. So please don't keep on insulting our inteligence with these scaremongering comments. Turk is not , will not and could not be ready to join and certainly not within the next 20 years. I am willing to bet you on that.

I have stated many times that I don't think Turkey will ever be accepted fully into the EU and that her priorities should lye elsewhere. I'm only stating that you GCs should be begging for Turkey to continue with her EU perspective so that you have leverage, if that ends you have no leverage.

In your above summary you have described Romania and Bulgaria only 10 years ago, so Turkey can do it, if only they want.

The differnce is boy scouts don't run the country...

[boomerang]

oh...I forgot the LINK ... to the 7 -8 year statement you made above...you know you can run but can't hide little boy...

[CopperLine]

Pantheman,
Let's suppose that you are right and Turkey 'has to learn'. Then the question is what is the best (i.e, most effective) and fastest way of learning : one way is to do so by offering and honouring EU membership. This gives both a carrot and a stick. Those fundamentalists who reject out of hand Turkey's EU membership can offer neither carrot nor stick.

A bit of EU history is instructive for this example. The application of Greece, Spain and Portugal were all encouraged by existing EEC members in order to encourage and consolidate the democratic transformation of those states following (long) periods of military dictatorship. Each of those three states were not adequately democratic etc when they applied for membership but the prospect of membership acted as the carrot for reform. I think that this model is applicable to Turkey. (Again, if Turkey does not democratise, make constitutional changes, revise the criminal code, etc, then who is going to suffer ? Turkish citizens, and Cypriot citizens. So again, you can have Turkey pissing in or you can try to stop Turkey pissing at all).


Following Boomers and Oracles 'logic' Turkey is irremediable; their argument is basically one of saying if Turkey reforms and joins the EU it will still fuck the EU and Cyprus and anywhere else ('cos that's what Turks are like'); if it doesn't reform and join the EU it will still fuck the EU and Cyprus. Not only is that a literally hopeless argument, but is is of absolutely no help to Cyprus.[/i]

[Jerry]

The biggest problem for Cyprus when/if Turkey joins the EU will be the unrestricted movement of mainland Turks to the island.

[Oracle]

The biggest problem for Cyprus when/if Turkey joins the EU will be the unrestricted movement of mainland Turks to the island.

... who is restricting them now

[Jerry]

The biggest problem for Cyprus when/if Turkey joins the EU will be the unrestricted movement of mainland Turks to the island.

... who is restricting them now

That's whole the point, at the moment the only settle in the north, When/if they join they can settle in the south - remember what happened in Alexandretta where the Turks "cooked" the election results and as a "majority" they decided to unite with Turkey.