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[CopperLine]

Turkey just wants to join Europe in order to destroy it from within

the considered opinion of Oracle the Insane - you've got to laugh at such baloney

[Piratis]

I think it's high time we gave the Turks the respect they deserve as fellow Human beings and thinking sentient mature higher animals ..... like all us Homo sapiens.

In which case they had better start behaving in a more civilised fashion and follow the habits of the rest of us in creating a better world for all.

No more treating Turks with reverence, as though they can go around behaving as they wish regardless of the Laws, and we all turn around and shush each other so that we do not offend them.

How are they going to learn the difference between right and wrong, and hence improve, if we don't make them aware.

Respect the Turk enough to tell him the truth about the unacceptability of his actions; no matter how much he is offended. We owe it to Humanity.

..... but as for letting them join the EU ..... Never!

.... ultimately the real essence of community lies less in the significance of physical structures and more in a series of fluid social interactions, underpinned by a shared code of cultural norms and values....

Hmmmm.......Interesting comment, but Greece was allowed to join the EU despite the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Macedonians in Northern Greece weren't they

The Macedonians are in north Greece as they have always been, speaking the same language as they always did, and having the Greek names they always had. So can you tell us when the Macedonians where ethnically cleansed?

If you are talking about Slavs (not Macedonians), they had some conflicts with Greeks in the past, but nothing remotely as close as with the conflicts they had with the Turks.

The Greeks have merely liberated part of their own lands. On the other hand the Turks oppress and occupy the lands of others.

An equivalent for the Greeks would be if we had claims over Persia and Egypt because once they were part of our empire. Once Alexandria in Egypt was full with Greek people. Now not. Should we accuse the Egyptians of ethnically cleansing the Greeks there? Should we claim that the true Egyptians are Greek, because we created Alexandria and Cleopatra was Greek?

In fact we would have more historical base to claim that Egypt is Greek, than for those Slavs of Skopje to claim that Macedonia is Slavic.

[miltiades]

I think it's high time we gave the Turks the respect they deserve as fellow Human beings and thinking sentient mature higher animals ..... like all us Homo sapiens.

In which case they had better start behaving in a more civilised fashion and follow the habits of the rest of us in creating a better world for all.

No more treating Turks with reverence, as though they can go around behaving as they wish regardless of the Laws, and we all turn around and shush each other so that we do not offend them.

How are they going to learn the difference between right and wrong, and hence improve, if we don't make them aware.

Respect the Turk enough to tell him the truth about the unacceptability of his actions; no matter how much he is offended. We owe it to Humanity.

..... but as for letting them join the EU ..... Never!

.... ultimately the real essence of community lies less in the significance of physical structures and more in a series of fluid social interactions, underpinned by a shared code of cultural norms and values....

Hmmmm.......Interesting comment, but Greece was allowed to join the EU despite the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Macedonians in Northern Greece weren't they

The Macedonians are in north Greece as they have always been, speaking the same language as they always did, and having the Greek names they always had. So can you tell us when the Macedonians where ethnically cleansed?

If you are talking about Slavs (not Macedonians), they had some conflicts with Greeks in the past, but nothing remotely as close as with the conflicts they had with the Turks.

The Greeks have merely liberated part of their own lands. On the other hand the Turks oppress and occupy the lands of others.

An equivalent for the Greeks would be if we had claims over Persia and Egypt because once they were part of our empire. Once Alexandria in Egypt was full with Greek people. Now not. Should we accuse the Egyptians of ethnically cleansing the Greeks there? Should we claim that the true Egyptians are Greek, because we created Alexandria and Cleopatra was Greek?

In fact we would have more historical base to claim that Egypt is Greek, than for those Slavs of Skopje to claim that Macedonia is Slavic.

Piratis my dear friend just one small correction. We , the Cypriots , were an integral part of the Persian empire once and fought against the Greeks !! We the Cypriots NEVER had an empire either during Alexander's era , prior to or subsequent too.

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Well said Piratis.

Next the Turks will be claiming Germany because so many Turks live their. I'm supprised they havent attempted a so called peace operation their.

[boomerang]

For those who describe Turkey in unremittingly negative terms, who describe Turks in essentially racist terms, there is a simple question for you regarding the EU :

Would you rather have Turkey outside the tent pissing in (Cyprus) and pissing around as well (Iraq, Armenia, Kurdistan) etc ? Or would you rather have Turkey inside the tent not pissing at all ?

If the conditions of EU membership are indeed a serious reform of the state and if Turkey meets those criteria then surely it should be welcomes with open arms ? If the conditions of EU membership prove difficult to fulfil then surely one would want to give Turkey as much encouragement and support in actually fulfilling those conditions rather than ... pissing on Turkey for its efforts ?

I find your comment just as racist...you are saying they are like this coz they can't help themselves...

And to be honest no one gives a shit as to what "turkey=fascist state" wants to be...If they align themselves with the EU surely the main beneficiary will be the citizens...Why doesn't then "turkey=fascist state" just do it...

In your opinion who is holding who back?

Scare mongering ain't gonna work here buddy boy...They can piss as much as they want coz your leaders simply chose to run a fascist state...and it started right from the word go...you reap what you sow...what goes around comes around...

Let "turkey=fascist state" piss outside the tent and see how quickly she will be known as the axis of evil...and we all know what happens to the axis of evil...

[Oracle]

Turkey just wants to join Europe in order to destroy it from within

the considered opinion of Oracle the Insane - you've got to laugh at such baloney

..... Ooooppppsss did I accidentally let that slip out

So why don't you tell me why Turkey is Soooo keen to join the EU then? And why the USA are soooo eager to help them do just that!

[boomerang]

Turkey just wants to join Europe in order to destroy it from within

the considered opinion of Oracle the Insane - you've got to laugh at such baloney

You should be the last to speak about balonies...

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Boomerang American needs Turkey so she will never be called an axis of evil. Turkey knows this so she keeps flexing her muscles on her weaker neighbours. Cyprus, Iraq. She wont try anything against Greece because she know she could get an arse whipping. They only pick on weaker nations.

Who know when our oil starts to flow what Americas stance will be then. But knowing America they love oil that may be our window where we can finally nail Turkey.

[miltiades]

Turkey remaining outside the EU would be a disaster for the future of Cyprus and the generations to come.
It is prudently and imperatively essential that negotiations for entry into the EU continue , and that Greece and Cyprus continue to support Turkeys efforts to meet the preconditions laid down by the EU , WHILE AT THE SAME TIME CONTINUE INSISTING THAT TURKEY ABIDES BY THE EU DIRECTIVES IN RECOGNISING A MEMBER STATE.
The EU can not and must not change its rules to suit Turkeys belligerent position.

[miltiades]

Boomerang American needs Turkey so she will never be called an axis of evil. Turkey knows this so she keeps flexing her muscles on her weaker neighbours. Cyprus, Iraq. She wont try anything against Greece because she know she could get an arse whipping. They only pick on weaker nations.

Who know when our oil starts to flow what Americas stance will be then. But knowing America they love oil that may be our window where we can finally nail Turkey.

Sorry mate , did I read right , Turkey will not pick on Greece in case she gets her arse whipped ? I thought that Turkey did that in 1974 !!