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[BirKibrisli]

Bir said:

"And assuming that I am wrong,and the balance of power changes,and Cyprus and her allies manage to "nail Turkey" as someone put it....What kind of nailing would that be???? The killing of 50 Million Turks??? Sending half back to central asia in another version of ethnic cleansing??? Do some of you guys and gals engage your brains before you open your mouths???"

It is not a question of destroying Turkey or changing its borders etc. It is simply a matter of getting Turkey to act like normal nations act. For that to happen Turkey needs to change this self image it has as the most important power in the region. Things like violating Greek air and sea space on a daily basis, bullying the Syrians over water rights, joining up with the Israelis to shove Arabs about, this is the kind of thing that is bothersome.

The goal is a nation where the chiefs of the military are selected by the government, and where the government can dismiss any military bigshot any time. When that is done the rest will follow.

There is a saying in Turkish,Nikitas,which you might know already. "A Turk's friend can only be another Turk"...This sums up the paranoid mindset which is very common in Turkey.

How many countries` citizens located close to where Turkey is, feel as you feel about national security in Australia? Turkey is situated right in the middle of the Balkans, Caucasians and the Middle-East… Three regions that have been and to an extent currently is the stage for the harshest and longest conflicts on the face of the planet.

Despite her image abroad,Turkey is really a nation of extreme self-doubt and insecurity...That is the primary reason they hang onto American skirts as if their life depends on it...

So, are the U.K., Italy and Spain nations of “extreme self-doubt and insecurity”, for “hanging on to the skirts” of U.S. in its recent intervention to Iraq (not to mention Turkey refused providing any military base use for launching offensives and troop support despite extreme pressure)? International relations are an intrigue web and with your above analysis you are only oversimplifying a selective part of it. Every country has allies, every country needs allies, and every country tries to act together with her allies. The stronger your allies are and the better you can cooperate with them the better off you are. There is nothing wrong about any of this. Nevertheless, if you had a true sense of the mindset of the people in Turkey you would know very well how resentful they are about the U.S. and its policies in the region.

I will not give you a lecture on the Turkey-USA alliance,Murataga...
I'd recommend a book though (Ozel Harp Dairesi-Turkiye'nin Gizli Tarihi- by Ecevit Kilic). It is an eye-opener,with an interesting chapter on TMT activities run by Turkey with the blessing of America...

SO?


BTW, have you ever heard the Greeks say "the only friends the Greeks have are Greeks"?

I'm sure you have but being a convert you would rather demonize the Turks you hate so much.

The book above does not demonize anyone,Eric Dayi.
I recommend it to you too...It just makes it very clear whose interests were really being served,while brother was killing brother in Cyprus in the 50s and 60s and 70s....And whose interests are still being served today...I will give you a clue...it wasn't the interests of the TCs or the GCs...You go figure out the rest...

[Tim Drayton]

Bir said:

"And assuming that I am wrong,and the balance of power changes,and Cyprus and her allies manage to "nail Turkey" as someone put it....What kind of nailing would that be???? The killing of 50 Million Turks??? Sending half back to central asia in another version of ethnic cleansing??? Do some of you guys and gals engage your brains before you open your mouths???"

It is not a question of destroying Turkey or changing its borders etc. It is simply a matter of getting Turkey to act like normal nations act. For that to happen Turkey needs to change this self image it has as the most important power in the region. Things like violating Greek air and sea space on a daily basis, bullying the Syrians over water rights, joining up with the Israelis to shove Arabs about, this is the kind of thing that is bothersome.

The goal is a nation where the chiefs of the military are selected by the government, and where the government can dismiss any military bigshot any time. When that is done the rest will follow.

There is a saying in Turkish,Nikitas,which you might know already. "A Turk's friend can only be another Turk"...This sums up the paranoid mindset which is very common in Turkey.

How many countries` citizens located close to where Turkey is, feel as you feel about national security in Australia? Turkey is situated right in the middle of the Balkans, Caucasians and the Middle-East… Three regions that have been and to an extent currently is the stage for the harshest and longest conflicts on the face of the planet.

Despite her image abroad,Turkey is really a nation of extreme self-doubt and insecurity...That is the primary reason they hang onto American skirts as if their life depends on it...

So, are the U.K., Italy and Spain nations of “extreme self-doubt and insecurity”, for “hanging on to the skirts” of U.S. in its recent intervention to Iraq (not to mention Turkey refused providing any military base use for launching offensives and troop support despite extreme pressure)? International relations are an intrigue web and with your above analysis you are only oversimplifying a selective part of it. Every country has allies, every country needs allies, and every country tries to act together with her allies. The stronger your allies are and the better you can cooperate with them the better off you are. There is nothing wrong about any of this. Nevertheless, if you had a true sense of the mindset of the people in Turkey you would know very well how resentful they are about the U.S. and its policies in the region.

I will not give you a lecture on the Turkey-USA alliance,Murataga...
I'd recommend a book though (Ozel Harp Dairesi-Turkiye'nin Gizli Tarihi- by Ecevit Kilic). It is an eye-opener,with an interesting chapter on TMT activities run by Turkey with the blessing of America...

I have bought that book, based on a previous recommendation of yours. I haven't started it yet, though.

Let me know what you think about it,Tim...

I have taken a glance at the chapter on Cyprus. Frankly I find it a little disappointing. A lot of it is devoted to the 6/7 September events, without shedding much extra light on them. The stuff about the TMT being set up and armed by the Turkish deep state, and having the aim of Taksim from the outset - well, it's hardly a revelation, and I don't see any material that I haven't seen elsewhere.
The lack of footnotes is also a serious shortcoming. I think in a book of this nature, the author needs to back up any claims he makes, otherwise it is just hearsay. I don't know if you are familiar with books by Soner Yalçın. A lot of the investigative books he has written touch on the activities of the deep state, and he substantiates a great deal of the claims he makes with references to sources in footnotes.
Anyway, thanks for the recommendation. If and when I find time to read the whole book, my impression of it may change.

[Eric dayi]

Bir said:

"And assuming that I am wrong,and the balance of power changes,and Cyprus and her allies manage to "nail Turkey" as someone put it....What kind of nailing would that be???? The killing of 50 Million Turks??? Sending half back to central asia in another version of ethnic cleansing??? Do some of you guys and gals engage your brains before you open your mouths???"

It is not a question of destroying Turkey or changing its borders etc. It is simply a matter of getting Turkey to act like normal nations act. For that to happen Turkey needs to change this self image it has as the most important power in the region. Things like violating Greek air and sea space on a daily basis, bullying the Syrians over water rights, joining up with the Israelis to shove Arabs about, this is the kind of thing that is bothersome.

The goal is a nation where the chiefs of the military are selected by the government, and where the government can dismiss any military bigshot any time. When that is done the rest will follow.

There is a saying in Turkish,Nikitas,which you might know already. "A Turk's friend can only be another Turk"...This sums up the paranoid mindset which is very common in Turkey.

How many countries` citizens located close to where Turkey is, feel as you feel about national security in Australia? Turkey is situated right in the middle of the Balkans, Caucasians and the Middle-East… Three regions that have been and to an extent currently is the stage for the harshest and longest conflicts on the face of the planet.

Despite her image abroad,Turkey is really a nation of extreme self-doubt and insecurity...That is the primary reason they hang onto American skirts as if their life depends on it...

So, are the U.K., Italy and Spain nations of “extreme self-doubt and insecurity”, for “hanging on to the skirts” of U.S. in its recent intervention to Iraq (not to mention Turkey refused providing any military base use for launching offensives and troop support despite extreme pressure)? International relations are an intrigue web and with your above analysis you are only oversimplifying a selective part of it. Every country has allies, every country needs allies, and every country tries to act together with her allies. The stronger your allies are and the better you can cooperate with them the better off you are. There is nothing wrong about any of this. Nevertheless, if you had a true sense of the mindset of the people in Turkey you would know very well how resentful they are about the U.S. and its policies in the region.

I will not give you a lecture on the Turkey-USA alliance,Murataga...
I'd recommend a book though (Ozel Harp Dairesi-Turkiye'nin Gizli Tarihi- by Ecevit Kilic). It is an eye-opener,with an interesting chapter on TMT activities run by Turkey with the blessing of America...

SO?


BTW, have you ever heard the Greeks say "the only friends the Greeks have are Greeks"?

I'm sure you have but being a convert you would rather demonize the Turks you hate so much.

The book above does not demonize anyone,Eric Dayi.
I recommend it to you too...It just makes it very clear whose interests were really being served,while brother was killing brother in Cyprus in the 50s and 60s and 70s....And whose interests are still being served today...I will give you a clue...it wasn't the interests of the TCs or the GCs...You go figure out the rest...

I wasn't talking about the book you fool, I was talking about your stupidity in demonizing anything Turkish and your interest to serve the Greeks and GCs.

I also asked you if you ever heard the Greeks say "the only friends the Greeks have are Greeks" but you avoided to answer completely because it does not fit in with your agenda of running down and demonizing anything Turkish to please your paymasters.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir said:

"And assuming that I am wrong,and the balance of power changes,and Cyprus and her allies manage to "nail Turkey" as someone put it....What kind of nailing would that be???? The killing of 50 Million Turks??? Sending half back to central asia in another version of ethnic cleansing??? Do some of you guys and gals engage your brains before you open your mouths???"

It is not a question of destroying Turkey or changing its borders etc. It is simply a matter of getting Turkey to act like normal nations act. For that to happen Turkey needs to change this self image it has as the most important power in the region. Things like violating Greek air and sea space on a daily basis, bullying the Syrians over water rights, joining up with the Israelis to shove Arabs about, this is the kind of thing that is bothersome.

The goal is a nation where the chiefs of the military are selected by the government, and where the government can dismiss any military bigshot any time. When that is done the rest will follow.

There is a saying in Turkish,Nikitas,which you might know already. "A Turk's friend can only be another Turk"...This sums up the paranoid mindset which is very common in Turkey.

How many countries` citizens located close to where Turkey is, feel as you feel about national security in Australia? Turkey is situated right in the middle of the Balkans, Caucasians and the Middle-East… Three regions that have been and to an extent currently is the stage for the harshest and longest conflicts on the face of the planet.

Despite her image abroad,Turkey is really a nation of extreme self-doubt and insecurity...That is the primary reason they hang onto American skirts as if their life depends on it...

So, are the U.K., Italy and Spain nations of “extreme self-doubt and insecurity”, for “hanging on to the skirts” of U.S. in its recent intervention to Iraq (not to mention Turkey refused providing any military base use for launching offensives and troop support despite extreme pressure)? International relations are an intrigue web and with your above analysis you are only oversimplifying a selective part of it. Every country has allies, every country needs allies, and every country tries to act together with her allies. The stronger your allies are and the better you can cooperate with them the better off you are. There is nothing wrong about any of this. Nevertheless, if you had a true sense of the mindset of the people in Turkey you would know very well how resentful they are about the U.S. and its policies in the region.

I will not give you a lecture on the Turkey-USA alliance,Murataga...
I'd recommend a book though (Ozel Harp Dairesi-Turkiye'nin Gizli Tarihi- by Ecevit Kilic). It is an eye-opener,with an interesting chapter on TMT activities run by Turkey with the blessing of America...

I have bought that book, based on a previous recommendation of yours. I haven't started it yet, though.

Let me know what you think about it,Tim...

I have taken a glance at the chapter on Cyprus. Frankly I find it a little disappointing. A lot of it is devoted to the 6/7 September events, without shedding much extra light on them. The stuff about the TMT being set up and armed by the Turkish deep state, and having the aim of Taksim from the outset - well, it's hardly a revelation, and I don't see any material that I haven't seen elsewhere.
The lack of footnotes is also a serious shortcoming. I think in a book of this nature, the author needs to back up any claims he makes, otherwise it is just hearsay. I don't know if you are familiar with books by Soner Yalçın. A lot of the investigative books he has written touch on the activities of the deep state, and he substantiates a great deal of the claims he makes with references to sources in footnotes.
Anyway, thanks for the recommendation. If and when I find time to read the whole book, my impression of it may change.

Unfortunately most Turkish writers are a bit shy of references,and they seem to get away with it,Tim...No,I am not familiar with Soner Yalchin's work...I will keep an eye for him,thanks...

[BirKibrisli]

Bir said:

"And assuming that I am wrong,and the balance of power changes,and Cyprus and her allies manage to "nail Turkey" as someone put it....What kind of nailing would that be???? The killing of 50 Million Turks??? Sending half back to central asia in another version of ethnic cleansing??? Do some of you guys and gals engage your brains before you open your mouths???"

It is not a question of destroying Turkey or changing its borders etc. It is simply a matter of getting Turkey to act like normal nations act. For that to happen Turkey needs to change this self image it has as the most important power in the region. Things like violating Greek air and sea space on a daily basis, bullying the Syrians over water rights, joining up with the Israelis to shove Arabs about, this is the kind of thing that is bothersome.

The goal is a nation where the chiefs of the military are selected by the government, and where the government can dismiss any military bigshot any time. When that is done the rest will follow.

There is a saying in Turkish,Nikitas,which you might know already. "A Turk's friend can only be another Turk"...This sums up the paranoid mindset which is very common in Turkey.

How many countries` citizens located close to where Turkey is, feel as you feel about national security in Australia? Turkey is situated right in the middle of the Balkans, Caucasians and the Middle-East… Three regions that have been and to an extent currently is the stage for the harshest and longest conflicts on the face of the planet.

Despite her image abroad,Turkey is really a nation of extreme self-doubt and insecurity...That is the primary reason they hang onto American skirts as if their life depends on it...

So, are the U.K., Italy and Spain nations of “extreme self-doubt and insecurity”, for “hanging on to the skirts” of U.S. in its recent intervention to Iraq (not to mention Turkey refused providing any military base use for launching offensives and troop support despite extreme pressure)? International relations are an intrigue web and with your above analysis you are only oversimplifying a selective part of it. Every country has allies, every country needs allies, and every country tries to act together with her allies. The stronger your allies are and the better you can cooperate with them the better off you are. There is nothing wrong about any of this. Nevertheless, if you had a true sense of the mindset of the people in Turkey you would know very well how resentful they are about the U.S. and its policies in the region.

I will not give you a lecture on the Turkey-USA alliance,Murataga...
I'd recommend a book though (Ozel Harp Dairesi-Turkiye'nin Gizli Tarihi- by Ecevit Kilic). It is an eye-opener,with an interesting chapter on TMT activities run by Turkey with the blessing of America...

SO?


BTW, have you ever heard the Greeks say "the only friends the Greeks have are Greeks"?

I'm sure you have but being a convert you would rather demonize the Turks you hate so much.

The book above does not demonize anyone,Eric Dayi.
I recommend it to you too...It just makes it very clear whose interests were really being served,while brother was killing brother in Cyprus in the 50s and 60s and 70s....And whose interests are still being served today...I will give you a clue...it wasn't the interests of the TCs or the GCs...You go figure out the rest...

I wasn't talking about the book you fool, I was talking about your stupidity in demonizing anything Turkish and your interest to serve the Greeks and GCs.

I also asked you if you ever heard the Greeks say "the only friends the Greeks have are Greeks" but you avoided to answer completely because it does not fit in with your agenda of running down and demonizing anything Turkish to please your paymasters.

Just because you say I am demonizing things Turkish does not make it true,Eric...What possible reason do I have to serve the Greeks or the GCs as you put it??? I wish you would really stop and think about what you are doing on this forum...If you think you are helping the TC cause,you are greatly mistaken...All you are doing is supporting the prejudices of those who think most TCs and Turks are loudmouthed,insensitive,hypocritical,uncivilised morons...

To answer your other question,No,I never heard any Greek use that phrase...But what if some do? Two wrongs do not make one right...

[Eric dayi]

The book above does not demonize anyone,Eric Dayi.
I recommend it to you too...It just makes it very clear whose interests were really being served,while brother was killing brother in Cyprus in the 50s and 60s and 70s....And whose interests are still being served today...I will give you a clue...it wasn't the interests of the TCs or the GCs...You go figure out the rest...

I wasn't talking about the book you fool, I was talking about your stupidity in demonizing anything Turkish and your interest to serve the Greeks and GCs.

I also asked you if you ever heard the Greeks say "the only friends the Greeks have are Greeks" but you avoided to answer completely because it does not fit in with your agenda of running down and demonizing anything Turkish to please your paymasters.

Just because you say I am demonizing things Turkish does not make it true,Eric...

I don;t have to say you idiot, this forum is full of your venom anout anything Turkish.

What possible reason do I have to serve the Greeks or the GCs as you put it???

Only you and your Greek/GC puppet masters know the reason you converted and spew your venom. The fact remains that you do nothing else but shoot your gob about Turks and TCs every time you post.

I wish you would really stop and think about what you are doing on this forum...If you think you are helping the TC cause,you are greatly mistaken...All you are doing is supporting the prejudices of those who think most TCs and Turks are loudmouthed,insensitive,hypocritical,uncivilised morons...

And I suppose you going down on knees and begging us to let the GCs be the rulers of Cyprus is doing us TCs a favour is it you idiot?

To answer your other question,No,I never heard any Greek use that phrase...

Then either you are a liar or an idiot who knows nothing but likes to shout his mouth off.

But what if some do? Two wrongs do not make one right...

So in your tiny two cell brain you think it's better to let others do the wrong thing and let them take over our lives so that we look good for doing the right thing, yeah?

Jesus Bir, where the hell were you when God was handing out brains?

[Get Real!]

Jesus Bir, where the hell were you when God was handing out brains?

Being absent is one thing, but when Jesus called out your name you said... "pass"

[Eric dayi]

Jesus Bir, where the hell were you when God was handing out brains?

Being absent is one thing, but when Jesus called out your name you said... "pass"

Why would Jesus call out my name GR, was he a Muslim too?

[BirKibrisli]

The book above does not demonize anyone,Eric Dayi.
I recommend it to you too...It just makes it very clear whose interests were really being served,while brother was killing brother in Cyprus in the 50s and 60s and 70s....And whose interests are still being served today...I will give you a clue...it wasn't the interests of the TCs or the GCs...You go figure out the rest...

I wasn't talking about the book you fool, I was talking about your stupidity in demonizing anything Turkish and your interest to serve the Greeks and GCs.

I also asked you if you ever heard the Greeks say "the only friends the Greeks have are Greeks" but you avoided to answer completely because it does not fit in with your agenda of running down and demonizing anything Turkish to please your paymasters.

Just because you say I am demonizing things Turkish does not make it true,Eric...

I don;t have to say you idiot, this forum is full of your venom anout anything Turkish.

What possible reason do I have to serve the Greeks or the GCs as you put it???

Only you and your Greek/GC puppet masters know the reason you converted and spew your venom. The fact remains that you do nothing else but shoot your gob about Turks and TCs every time you post.

I wish you would really stop and think about what you are doing on this forum...If you think you are helping the TC cause,you are greatly mistaken...All you are doing is supporting the prejudices of those who think most TCs and Turks are loudmouthed,insensitive,hypocritical,uncivilised morons...

And I suppose you going down on knees and begging us to let the GCs be the rulers of Cyprus is doing us TCs a favour is it you idiot?

To answer your other question,No,I never heard any Greek use that phrase...

Then either you are a liar or an idiot who knows nothing but likes to shout his mouth off.

But what if some do? Two wrongs do not make one right...

So in your tiny two cell brain you think it's better to let others do the wrong thing and let them take over our lives so that we look good for doing the right thing, yeah?

Jesus Bir, where the hell were you when God was handing out brains?

Whatever you say,Eric...

But let me tell you one thing. I think you are an intelligent,sensitive,passionate and caring individual...But you have one big fault...You are terribly embittered...You can only show these qualities with your own people...Your humanity is only half-baked...I strongly advice you to develop some understanding,empathy and compassion for those you consider "the enemy"...That is the only way forward for us,Cypriots...Truly...

[Big Al]

The book above does not demonize anyone,Eric Dayi.
I recommend it to you too...It just makes it very clear whose interests were really being served,while brother was killing brother in Cyprus in the 50s and 60s and 70s....And whose interests are still being served today...I will give you a clue...it wasn't the interests of the TCs or the GCs...You go figure out the rest...

I wasn't talking about the book you fool, I was talking about your stupidity in demonizing anything Turkish and your interest to serve the Greeks and GCs.

I also asked you if you ever heard the Greeks say "the only friends the Greeks have are Greeks" but you avoided to answer completely because it does not fit in with your agenda of running down and demonizing anything Turkish to please your paymasters.

Just because you say I am demonizing things Turkish does not make it true,Eric...

I don;t have to say you idiot, this forum is full of your venom anout anything Turkish.

What possible reason do I have to serve the Greeks or the GCs as you put it???

Only you and your Greek/GC puppet masters know the reason you converted and spew your venom. The fact remains that you do nothing else but shoot your gob about Turks and TCs every time you post.

I wish you would really stop and think about what you are doing on this forum...If you think you are helping the TC cause,you are greatly mistaken...All you are doing is supporting the prejudices of those who think most TCs and Turks are loudmouthed,insensitive,hypocritical,uncivilised morons...

And I suppose you going down on knees and begging us to let the GCs be the rulers of Cyprus is doing us TCs a favour is it you idiot?

To answer your other question,No,I never heard any Greek use that phrase...

Then either you are a liar or an idiot who knows nothing but likes to shout his mouth off.

But what if some do? Two wrongs do not make one right...

So in your tiny two cell brain you think it's better to let others do the wrong thing and let them take over our lives so that we look good for doing the right thing, yeah?

Jesus Bir, where the hell were you when God was handing out brains?

Whatever you say,Eric...

But let me tell you one thing. I think you are an intelligent,sensitive,passionate and caring individual...But you have one big fault...You are terribly embittered...You can only show these qualities with your own people...Your humanity is only half-baked...I strongly advice you to develop some understanding,empathy and compassion for those you consider "the enemy"...That is the only way forward for us,Cypriots...Truly...

Eric,
Dont waste your time on Bir, i have given up. Either Bir is a female married to a greek/GC or is male wannbe greek...Melbourne is full of greeks and i am assuming bir has grown up with them.