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[Mr. T]

Guided missiles and merchant ships dont win wars, boots on the ground do. That is why the US Vice President was in Ankara a few weeks ago begging Turkey to send troops to Afghanistan, because apparently the nuclear countries who could reduce Turkey to glass are incapable of subduing the rag tag militias of the Taliban...

Hi Khan

A friend of mine who is a retired Squadron Leader with the RAF spend quite some time on attachment with the air forces in many NATO countries and rated that of Turkey as excellent.

If the navy and army are similar they must be pretty good but in any case the West ( Southern Cyprus excluded) appreciates your numerous strengths, its significance geographically and the other points you have mentioned and is pleased to have Turkey as a friend and ally.

[Get Real!]

Hey Khan, if you ever wondered why nobody recognizes the “TRNC”, the answer is because little Cyprus’ shipping and financial services industries are far more important to them than anything Turkey has to offer.

I guess you are joking about the point of the non-recognition of The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus because what you say is certainly a laugh.

It's easy for an uninformed person to make assumptions based on a country's size so you'll probably have a heart attack to hear that even tiny Malta has a very powerful shipping industry...

Southern Cyprus has a large shipping base purely because it has been so cheap to register ships here and has had a reputation for being a registration haven for unseaworthy vessels.

Nonsense. You're confusing Cyprus with Liberia, in fact you can't even get the name of countries right because there's no such place as "southern Cyprus"... Open your eyes with this...

http://www.shipping.gov.cy/

It may have a fledgling financial services industry greater than that of a couple of banana republics but bear in mind most people in this world do not even know of the existence of Cyprus never mind have a clue where it is. Tell them it is near Turkey and the numbers knowing where it is will increase substantially.

Those that matter, know very well where Cyprus is I assure you.

It is a safe bet that if the Cyprus problem is not sorted soon then countries will start to recognise it.

You clearly don't understand what's really going on this planet including the legal implications of breaking international laws that most countries have signed to abide by.

Turkey has NOTHING to offer to any of her neigbours and is even regarded the bad apple among the Muslim community and that's why she has no support from anyone when it comes to the Cyprus. The Muslim/Arab world on the other hand absolutely love Cyprus and have all REJECTED Turkey's 30 year campaign to support the "TRNC".

[Mr. T]

Hey Khan, if you ever wondered why nobody recognizes the “TRNC”, the answer is because little Cyprus’ shipping and financial services industries are far more important to them than anything Turkey has to offer.

I guess you are joking about the point of the non-recognition of The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus because what you say is certainly a laugh.

It's easy for an uninformed person to make assumptions based on a country's size so you'll probably have a heart attack to hear that even tiny Malta has a very powerful shipping industry...

Southern Cyprus has a large shipping base purely because it has been so cheap to register ships here and has had a reputation for being a registration haven for unseaworthy vessels.

Nonsense. You're confusing Cyprus with Liberia, in fact you can't even get the name of countries right because there's no such place as "southern Cyprus"... Open your eyes with this...

http://www.shipping.gov.cy/

It may have a fledgling financial services industry greater than that of a couple of banana republics but bear in mind most people in this world do not even know of the existence of Cyprus never mind have a clue where it is. Tell them it is near Turkey and the numbers knowing where it is will increase substantially.

Those that matter, know very well where Cyprus is I assure you.

It is a safe bet that if the Cyprus problem is not sorted soon then countries will start to recognise it.

You clearly don't understand what's really going on this planet including the legal implications of breaking international laws that most countries have signed to abide by.

Turkey has NOTHING to offer to any of her neigbours and is even regarded the bad apple among the Muslim community and that's why she has no support from anyone when it comes to the Cyprus. The Muslim/Arab world on the other hand absolutely love Cyprus and have all REJECTED Turkey's 30 year campaign to support the "TRNC".

You are confusing what is a very simple distinction betwwen having a powerful shipping industry and being a Flag of Convenience. Cyprus falls into the second category with such flags described by the highly regarded, former EU commissioner as 'the scourge of today's maritime world.' These ships registered in southern Cyprus are not yours but merely registered there. It is well known that the reason why large numbers of ship owners use such flags is to save tax, avoid having to maintain ships to good standards and to be able to treat seaman badly.
This is hardly an industry to gloat about and to compare with the economic superiority of Turkey. I see that the select club (not) of which you seem proud has just been joined by landlocked Mongolia.
I am aware of Malta's shipping industry, have visited the magnificent port of Valetta and its environs. With its drydocks and the fact that it has a proper shipbuilding industry it is hardly a good choice with which to try to compare your register. Sorry to disappoint you I am not uninformed and...... no heart attack.
I realise GCs are obsessed with the name of Cyprus but please read my words again. I stated that the ships are registered in southern Cyprus. This is a fact. They are not registered in the north. If I said London was in southern England on the basis of what you say that would be incorrect as there is no such place as southern England. Whoops 60 million people here in the UK have got in wrong.

'Those that matter know where Cyprus is' If by this you mean Western politicains then some will and also will remember the way it decieived the EU in gaining entry to the union.

Either you are putting on a brave face or are going to be very,very,very upset when recognition of the TRNC begins because it undoubtedly will should current negogiations bring no resolution to the Cyprus. If you think I am ignorant then enlighten me please taking the example of what the situation would be should Germany be the first to recognise the TRNC. YOUR REPONSE IS AWAITED WITH GREAT INTEREST.

Your comments re Turkey are not worthy of any response. Enjoy your love affair with the Muslim/Arab world. Ha.Ha

[Eric dayi]

Hey Khan, if you ever wondered why nobody recognizes the “TRNC”, the answer is because little Cyprus’ shipping and financial services industries are far more important to them than anything Turkey has to offer.

I guess you are joking about the point of the non-recognition of The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus because what you say is certainly a laugh.

It's easy for an uninformed person to make assumptions based on a country's size so you'll probably have a heart attack to hear that even tiny Malta has a very powerful shipping industry...

Southern Cyprus has a large shipping base purely because it has been so cheap to register ships here and has had a reputation for being a registration haven for unseaworthy vessels.

Nonsense. You're confusing Cyprus with Liberia, in fact you can't even get the name of countries right because there's no such place as "southern Cyprus"... Open your eyes with this...

http://www.shipping.gov.cy/

It may have a fledgling financial services industry greater than that of a couple of banana republics but bear in mind most people in this world do not even know of the existence of Cyprus never mind have a clue where it is. Tell them it is near Turkey and the numbers knowing where it is will increase substantially.

Those that matter, know very well where Cyprus is I assure you.

It is a safe bet that if the Cyprus problem is not sorted soon then countries will start to recognise it.

You clearly don't understand what's really going on this planet including the legal implications of breaking international laws that most countries have signed to abide by.

Turkey has NOTHING to offer to any of her neigbours and is even regarded the bad apple among the Muslim community and that's why she has no support from anyone when it comes to the Cyprus. The Muslim/Arab world on the other hand absolutely love Cyprus and have all REJECTED Turkey's 30 year campaign to support the "TRNC".

GR, how many ships that "belonged" to the so-called "RoC" had to be scrapped after it joined the EU because the ships were, let's just say, "not up to "standard"?

What position was the "Cypriot" shipping industry only a couple of years ago and what position is it now?

What sort of loss has the so-called "RoC" suffered since Turkey closed it's ports to it's so-called "RoC's" ships and planes?

Why is the so-called "RoC" in so much pain to be recognised by Turkey?

GR, you may have been able to boast about your shipping industry once upon a time but since it is no longer convenient for foreign ships to register in the so-called "RoC" and the so-called "RoC" is loosing millions even billions you really have nothing to boast about any more.

[BirKibrisli]

I would like to be proved wrong on this,but my strong belief is Turkey will never join the EU....And not because the EU won't let her in,because the two dominant and conflicting powers in Turkey at the moment (The Military and the AKP government) do not want to join...The first because that would severely limit their power to influence politics and the course of the Republic,the second because it would mean kissing goodbye to their dream of an islamic republic...I don't know why you people are wasting time even discussing it...forget it....The EU card will not help us solve our problem in Cyprus...It is only working to permanently cement the status quo,which is essentially the coffin for a united Cyprus,federated or not...

And forget about dismantling of Turkey or changes in the power status or whatever you call it...global capital will always need a united and strong Turkey to do their dirty work...And in Turkey,in a deadly conflict between the islamists and the military,my money would always be on the Military...

And assuming that I am wrong,and the balance of power changes,and Cyprus and her allies manage to "nail Turkey" as someone put it....What kind of nailing would that be???? The killing of 50 Million Turks??? Sending half back to central asia in another version of ethnic cleansing??? Do some of you guys and gals engage your brains before you open your mouths???

[Get Real!]

You are confusing what is a very simple distinction betwwen having a powerful shipping industry and being a Flag of Convenience. Cyprus falls into the second category with such flags described by the highly regarded, former EU commissioner as 'the scourge of today's maritime world.' These ships registered in southern Cyprus are not yours but merely registered there. It is well known that the reason why large numbers of ship owners use such flags is to save tax, avoid having to maintain ships to good standards and to be able to treat seaman badly.
This is hardly an industry to gloat about and to compare with the economic superiority of Turkey. I see that the select club (not) of which you seem proud has just been joined by landlocked Mongolia.
I am aware of Malta's shipping industry, have visited the magnificent port of Valetta and its environs. With its drydocks and the fact that it has a proper shipbuilding industry it is hardly a good choice with which to try to compare your register. Sorry to disappoint you I am not uninformed and...... no heart attack.
I realise GCs are obsessed with the name of Cyprus but please read my words again. I stated that the ships are registered in southern Cyprus. This is a fact. They are not registered in the north. If I said London was in southern England on the basis of what you say that would be incorrect as there is no such place as southern England. Whoops 60 million people here in the UK have got in wrong.

'Those that matter know where Cyprus is' If by this you mean Western politicains then some will and also will remember the way it decieived the EU in gaining entry to the union.

Either you are putting on a brave face or are going to be very,very,very upset when recognition of the TRNC begins because it undoubtedly will should current negogiations bring no resolution to the Cyprus. If you think I am ignorant then enlighten me please taking the example of what the situation would be should Germany be the first to recognise the TRNC. YOUR REPONSE IS AWAITED WITH GREAT INTEREST.

Your comments re Turkey are not worthy of any response. Enjoy your love affair with the Muslim/Arab world. Ha.Ha

You’re are seemingly too short sighted to appreciate the power of controlling the cargo of so many ships and the geopolitical influence it has in the world; ship ownership is irrelevant. Who do you think does the EU’s shipping “dirty work” to the Middle East and other trouble spots?

How do you think France was/is able to command the UNIFIL mission if it were not for Cyprus “dirty” shipping support and the Paphos land & air bases provided to them in exchange for French military goodies?

Are you aware that Cyprus is the only trusted neutral country where the Middle Eastern nations are prepared to meet up with the west? The Israelis too come to Cyprus to meet up with Syria, Lebanon, and even the Iranians to sort out their political affairs and you think people don’t know where Cyprus is on a map??? As I said, those that matter do know.

Why don’t you tell us in your own understanding then why the “TRNC” has not seen the light of day despite three decades of constant campaign, if Turkey is so influential?

[Get Real!]

Cyprus falls into the second category with such flags described by the highly regarded, former EU commissioner as 'the scourge of today's maritime world.'

Was that comment made by the former industry commissioner Verheugen, the bitter clown who made a complete fool of himself when he stood up in front of everybody in the EU and complained that the outcome of a "democratic referendum” (referring to the AP) was "promised" to him beforehand but didn't come to pass???


Cyprus Shipping links for the unaware...

http://www.pwc.com/extweb/ncpressreleas ... 6E0030D2E8

http://www.imo.org/dynamic/mainframe.as ... oc_id=5287

http://www.cus.com.cy/text/news/cyprusandthe7seas.pdf

Regards, GR.

[Eric dayi]

Cyprus falls into the second category with such flags described by the highly regarded, former EU commissioner as 'the scourge of today's maritime world.'

Was that comment made by the former industry commissioner Verheugen, the bitter clown who made a complete fool of himself when he stood up in front of everybody in the EU and complained that the outcome of a "democratic referendum” (referring to the AP) was "promised" to him beforehand but didn't come to pass???


Cyprus Shipping links for the unaware...

http://www.pwc.com/extweb/ncpressreleas ... 6E0030D2E8

http://www.imo.org/dynamic/mainframe.as ... oc_id=5287

http://www.cus.com.cy/text/news/cyprusandthe7seas.pdf

Regards, GR.

Traffic police who directs vehicles it does not own and completely reliant on foreign ships not to leave and break it's "back bone".

Tell me again GR, how many foreign ships has the so-called "RoC" lost since joining the EU and because Turkey's ban on "Cypriot flagged" ships?

[ARMENIAN CYPRIOT]

Cyprus falls into the second category with such flags described by the highly regarded, former EU commissioner as 'the scourge of today's maritime world.'

Was that comment made by the former industry commissioner Verheugen, the bitter clown who made a complete fool of himself when he stood up in front of everybody in the EU and complained that the outcome of a "democratic referendum” (referring to the AP) was "promised" to him beforehand but didn't come to pass???


Cyprus Shipping links for the unaware...

http://www.pwc.com/extweb/ncpressreleas ... 6E0030D2E8

http://www.imo.org/dynamic/mainframe.as ... oc_id=5287

http://www.cus.com.cy/text/news/cyprusandthe7seas.pdf

Regards, GR.

Traffic police who directs vehicles it does not own and completely reliant on foreign ships not to leave and break it's "back bone".

Tell me again GR, how many foreign ships has the so-called "RoC" lost since joining the EU and because Turkey's ban on "Cypriot flagged" ships?

Not as many as you rhink sir Hatealot.

[Eric dayi]

Cyprus falls into the second category with such flags described by the highly regarded, former EU commissioner as 'the scourge of today's maritime world.'

Was that comment made by the former industry commissioner Verheugen, the bitter clown who made a complete fool of himself when he stood up in front of everybody in the EU and complained that the outcome of a "democratic referendum” (referring to the AP) was "promised" to him beforehand but didn't come to pass???


Cyprus Shipping links for the unaware...

http://www.pwc.com/extweb/ncpressreleas ... 6E0030D2E8

http://www.imo.org/dynamic/mainframe.as ... oc_id=5287

http://www.cus.com.cy/text/news/cyprusandthe7seas.pdf

Regards, GR.

Traffic police who directs vehicles it does not own and completely reliant on foreign ships not to leave and break it's "back bone".

Tell me again GR, how many foreign ships has the so-called "RoC" lost since joining the EU and because Turkey's ban on "Cypriot flagged" ships?

Not as many as you rhink sir Hatealot.

MUAHAHAHAHAHA...is that why the so-called "RoC" has gone down to 10th place from 4th place?

BTW, WTF does "rhink" mean you clever dick? Is it Greek?MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA