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ECHR endorses land swap deal

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Postby Nikitas » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:04 am

Well VP, for some people it might be worth pursuing compensation for loss of enjoyment of their property because that avenue brings in more money. Demades was awarded 835 000 Euro, which is about 1.2 million dollars, which is way more than his property is worth, and he still is the legal owner of his property. That sounds like an attractive alternative to a swap.
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Postby boomerang » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:09 am

opa...another millionaire born in the RoC... :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: 8) :arrow: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank you "turkey=fascist state" :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:

This is a cause for celebrations...anyone got tsifteteli tourkiko? :lol:
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Postby growuptcs » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:22 am

Pretty soon they'll be known for "Land of Lawsuits"......."lol"
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Postby boomerang » Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:04 am

This is the situation so far...

tcs sell the properties, pocket the money and "turkey=fascist state" pays of the gcs for, not for the properties, but for not enjoying their properties...

In other words the tcs are ripping off their own motherland, as the property still remains in the hands of their people with the deeds...

Well done tcs...keep on doing it...

Who said crime doesn't pay? :arrow: :?: :arrow: 8) :arrow: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:49 am

What compensation will Turkey pay if one can no longer have the benefit of Touring the Cypriot Coastline without missing out the north? :lol:

That is a loss to the enjoyment of part of my country.

Hang on ... are they just paying us to stay away? :?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:49 am

Nikitas wrote:Well VP, for some people it might be worth pursuing compensation for loss of enjoyment of their property because that avenue brings in more money. Demades was awarded 835 000 Euro, which is about 1.2 million dollars, which is way more than his property is worth, and he still is the legal owner of his property. That sounds like an attractive alternative to a swap.


I agree but only if you have 7 8 9 years to spare pursuing your claim through the ECHR and then waiting for Turkey to pay up another 3 4 5 years, the short cut might be just to take the money from the commission and get some land in the south you can either use or sell off.
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Postby boomerang » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:12 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Jerry wrote:Looks like the ECHR have been busy lately:-

ECHR - TURKEY - DEMADES

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ordered Turkey on Tuesday to pay within three months 835,000 euros to Greek Cypriot refugee Ioannis Demades for the loss of use of his property in the northern coastal town of Kyrenia, occupied by Turkish troops since the Turkish invasion in 1974.

The Fourth Section of the ECHR ordered Turkey to pay the applicant in the case Demades vs Turkey within three months from now the following comprehensive sums: 785.000 euro in respect of pecuniary damage, 45.000 in respect of non – pecuniary damage and 5.000 in respect of costs and expenses.

The Court recalled that in its principle judgment it found Turkey guilty of continuous violations of the European Convention of Human Rights by reason of complete denial of the rights of the applicant with respect to his home and the peaceful enjoyment of his property in Kyrenia.


:lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote

Dates? any links?


Here it is buddy boy...read and weep...but hey ho keep on ripping off your own motherland... :arrow: :lol: :lol:

Türkiye, Rum Demades Davasında 835 Bin Euro Ödeyecek
22.04.2008, 14:02
AİHM, Rum Demades davasında Türkiye'yi toplam 835 bin euroyu ödemeye mahkum etti. Mahkeme, esas kararı 2003 yılında verilen davanın tazminat belirleneceği aşamasında Türkiye'nin, KKTC'de kurulan Tazmin Komisyonu'na başvurulması talebini kabul edemeyeceğini bildirdi.Buna karşın, AİHM, Tymvios davasında taraflar arasında varılan "dostane çözüm"ü dikkate alarak tazminat belirlemedi.

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(ANKA)- Avrupa İnsan Hakları Mahkemesi (AİHM), Rum Demades davasında Türkiye'yi toplam 835 bin euro ödemeye mahkum etti. Mahkeme, esas kararı 2003 yılında verilen davanın tazminat belirleneceği bu aşamasında Türkiye'nin, KKTC'de kurulan Tazmin Komisyonu'na başvurulması talebini kabul edemeyeceğini bildirdi. Buna karşın, AİHM, Tymvios davasında taraflar arasında varılan "dostane çözüm"ü dikkate alarak tazminat belirlemedi.

Strazburg'da faaliyet gösteren AİHM, Rumların başvurusu üzerine açılmış olan ve 2003 yılında Türkiye aleyhinde sonuçlandırmakla birlikte tazminat belirlenmediği Demades ve Tymvios mülk davalarını sonuçlandırdı.

AİHM, Demades davasında Türkiye'nin, maddi tazminat olarak 785 bin, manevi tazminat olarak 45 bin, mahkeme masrafları için de 5 bin euro olmak üzere toplam 835 bin euro ödemesine hükmetti.

Buna karşın Tymvios davasında taraflar arasında "dostane çözüm"e varıldığına dikkat çekerek tazminat belirlemeyen Mahkeme, kararında bir milyon dolar tazminat ve mülk takasını öngören anlaşmadan duyduğu memnuniyeti dile getirdi.

AİHM, 2003 yılında verdiği kararlar ile Demades ve Tymvios davalarında Avrupa İnsan Hakları Sözleşmesine ek 1. Protokolün mülkün korunmasına ilişkin 1. maddesinin bir oya karşı altı oy ile ihlal edildiğine hükmetmiş ancak oy birliği ile tazminata ilişkin karar verme konusunda hazır olmadığını bildirmişti.

Kararlarda Mahkeme, KKTC Parlamentosu'nca Rumların Türkiye hakkında açtıkları davaların önüne geçilebilmesi için bir Tazmin Komisyonu'nun kurulmasını öngören Haziran 2003 tarihli bir yasanın onaylandığına dikkat çekerek bunun "etkin bir iç hukuk yolu" oluşturması halinde Rum başvurularının Komisyona yönlendirilebileceği sinyalini vermişti.



-DEMADES KARARI-



Rum vatandaşı İoannis Demades'in başvurusu üzerine Türkiye hakkında açılan davaya ilişkin tazminat konusunu karara bağlayan AİHM, kararında Türk hükümetince KKTC'de kurulan Tazmin Komisyonu'nun söz konusu mülke ilişkin değerlendirmesini ilettiğine dikkat çekti. Mahkeme kararının bu bölümünde "Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti"nin tırnak içinde yazılması dikkat çekti.

Dava esasına ilişkin kararın daha önce verildiğine dikkat çeken Mahkeme, Xenides davasına ilişkin tazminat kararını da anımsatarak özetle "Mahkeme, prosedürün bu aşamasında, başvuru yapanın tazminat sağlamak için yeni Komisyon'a başvurmaya mecbur edilmesi argümanını kabul edemez" ifadesine yer verdi. Mahkeme, Türkiye'nin ödemeyi üç ay içinde yapması gerektiğini de bildirdi. Buna karşın Mahkeme, söz konusu Komisyon'un "ilke" olarak "uygun ve etkin" bir mekanizma olarak bulunduğunu da belirtti.



-TYMVİOS DAVASI-



Rum şirketi Eugenia Michaelidou Developments ve Rum vatandaşı Michael Tymvios'un başvuruları üzerine açılan davada ise, AİHM, taraflar arasında varılan "dostane çözüm"ü dikkate aldı. AİMH, tarafların Şubat 2008'de ayrı ayrı yaptıkları bildirimlere yer vererek bir milyon dolarlık tazminat ve mülk takası içeren bir anlaşmaya varılmasından duyduğu memnuniyeti dile getirdi.

Taraflar bildirimlerinde mülk takası konusunda KKTC makamlarının yetkisine dikkat çekildi.(ANKA)

http://www.haberx.com/n/1101082/turkiye-rum-demades-davasinda-835.htm



It's gonna hurt, but we gonna like it babeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :arrow: 8) :arrow: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby humanist » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:18 am

Paul 12 the instructor
You are only saying that because you don’t like what the ECHR has ruled:lol:



I wish the Turks would stop telling me what I like and don't like.

If people want to go through the courts for the matters above it is their prorocative. My comment was made around the plaintifs getting their compensation payments. the ECHR needs to make Turkey accountable and demand that they pay the ammounts declared by the courts as compensation. As if Turkey is going to pay. In my view the ECHR has let Cyprus down many timesby not forcing Turkey adhere to final court decisions.

Personally I think any GC's taking such action is just as much a traitor of Cyprus as TC's have been.
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Postby Jerry » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:25 am

Court's Decision in English:-
http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view. ... n=hudoc-en

If we don't get an acceptable solution with the forthcoming talks I believe we should sue the arse off Turkey for what it has done to Cyprus, and yes VP the displaced TCs can sue the ROC if they want to but guess who will come out on top. The ROC should publish guidelines showing GCs how to approach the ECHR, they could even provide lawyers. Once Turkey starts losing case after case and loads of cash it may decide to join the civilised world and realise that you can't fuck up other peoples' lives the way they have in Cyprus
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Postby boomerang » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:28 am

Jerry wrote:Court's Decision in English:-
http://cmiskp.echr.coe.int/tkp197/view. ... n=hudoc-en


Any idea as to which judge, didn't see it the same way as the other six?

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