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Volkan/Gr. Cypriot Nationalists: Two sides of the same coin

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Piratis » Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:44 pm

Bananiot wrote:Poor old Piratis has not yet realised that since February we have a new President with a new mandate. The old President was sent home by the vast majority vote (I am enjoying this) because the people did not finally realise that he was ugly but because the people condemned his policies.

Unforunately we will not be negotiating with Birkibrisly and Kikapu for a final solution but with Talat and Turkey. We cannot choose, again unfortunately, with whom we would be making a deal, unless Piratis has an ace under his slip.

The solution will be a compromise for all of us, Turks and Greeks and if we fail to compromise then partition cannot be avoided. In my book partition is far worst than the worse compromise solution. Just remember also that every time we went hell bent for maximum we ended up crying over disaster.


Christofias was a "no" supporter in Annan plan and he gave certain promises to the Cypriot people in order to be elected.

Do you think that you will be able to force your minority opinion on the Cypriot people Bananiot? The worst you can do is to bring another unfair plan to the Cypriot people to reject.

The solution for the Cypriot people will be the one that actually solves our problems.

Legalizing the partition of Cyprus solves only the problem of Turkey and TCs, while not only it doesn't solve our problem but it makes it worst.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:02 pm

If Christofias and Talat agree a solution and present it to the people then ultimately, the people will vote for it in a referendum.


It depends on what the agreement will be.

People do not vote based on what the president says. People vote based on what they believe and based on their own interests. There are people that can be directed like sheep by their parties (not the president) but as we have seen in the last referendum those people are not that many when it comes to the solution of the Cyprus problem.
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Postby michalis5354 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:06 pm

As predicted the Nationalist of both sides are working hand in hand to divide the island and achieve permanent partition .. Diko Evroko and Edek has accused Christofias for the same thing.

This is treason the fact is that they have nothing to propose instead and they follow the tactics of the past that have contibuted to the current staues quo.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:14 pm

The nationalists are in DISY my friend.

There is nothing nationalistic in fighting for your human rights and your own land.

Those who are trying to permanently divide the island are those who want to officially give to the Turks the north part of our country.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:19 pm

Piratis wrote:The nationalists are in DISY my friend.

Not according to Bananiot, who thinks that anyone and anything that follows TP (pets included) falls under the "extreme nationalist" label... :lol:
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:53 pm

Nationalists come in different colours. There is a symmetry between GC and TC nationalists insofar as the the appeals they make to their respective communities, the symbols that they turn to, the memories that they play upon - real or imagined. It does not follow that their policies are therefore mirror images of each other. GC nationalists refuse any TC claim as treachery; TC nationalists refuse any unification talk as treachery. Since neither set of nationalists will give way, partition is the result : for GC nationalists a necessary consequence of their intransigence, for TC nationalists a consequence of their 'principles'.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:03 pm

CopperLine wrote:Nationalists come in different colours. There is a symmetry between GC and TC nationalists insofar as the the appeals they make to their respective communities, the symbols that they turn to, the memories that they play upon - real or imagined. It does not follow that their policies are therefore mirror images of each other. GC nationalists refuse any TC claim as treachery; TC nationalists refuse any unification talk as treachery. Since neither set of nationalists will give way, partition is the result : for GC nationalists a necessary consequence of their intransigence, for TC nationalists a consequence of their 'principles'.

Nice bit of trickery! :lol:

Don't forget those who insist on democracy... hardly the way of a "nationalist" wouldn't you say?
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:17 pm

'There are two ways to lose oneself: by a walled segregation in the particular or by a dilution in the 'universal'
— Aimé Césaire (1913-2008)

From the late great poet, from Martinique, of negritude, Aime Cesaire. It also speaks to nationalists in Cyprus

http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/arts_cultures/literature/aime_cesaire_poetry_as_weapon
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:21 pm

Don't forget those who insist on democracy... hardly the way of a "nationalist" wouldn't you say?


Get Real, I don't understand what you're saying here. Sure, many nationalists are no friend of democracy, but alot of nationalists are also democrats (even if reluctantly)
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Postby michalis5354 » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:58 pm

They need to define democracy which one the one in Zimababowe , kenya or belgium , Switserland , germany ? They are stuck in one version of Democracy and rject the rest as undemocratic!
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