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[umit07]

When my time comes to reclaim my property, my demand will be very short, sweet, and simple…

'You have 24 hours to move the “Taj Mahal” or my friend Nicos the bulldozer madman will move it for you… only in granules!'

How do you know you will have that right when the time comes GR?

BTW where is your property?

[wallace]

Hey GR....when the time comes remind me to give me your phone number.....I'll be needing that bulldozer too :D:D

[Oracle]

Things we did wrong huh.

1. The second phase of the peace opperation in my opinion was carried out too hastily.
2. Settlers were brought to the island the same year as the intervention.
3. Many TC's went on looting everything and thought it would continue , many TC's who weren't cunning enough to get anything had to emigrate off the island.

To continue this theme.............my view of mistakes by the TC side (post 74).

1 - Deep down, I just wish the TC's waited further before declaring the TRNC - and before that, there were a couple of other declaration, one a federal state (Kibris Turk Federe Develt), and before that another one (something like Otonom Kibris something or another ?).
We should have negotiated and negotiated until agreement was reached to the satisfaction of both sides (and I'm not ignoring the Armenians, Maronites and other minorities by saying this)

2 - The settlers - definately should never have been allowed in. Don't care what the reason was, their arrival was wrong.
A negotiated settlement would have been so much easier. Now, 35 years later, this will be a nightmare to resolve

3 - The Land Exchange scheme (Esdeger) was a complete balls up.
So many stories of people who who deserved compensation and ended up with bugger all, and others who had lost nothing benefitting enormously. This is not right.

4 - As was the issuing of title deeds for property that don't belong to you. And then being allowed to sell these on as well.
Another joke, and look at the mess it has left behind

5 - Currency - adopting the TL was a joke. Nobody could make heads or tails of it, and it kept spiralling out of control.
And nobody was laughing either

Hoping to avoid sounding patronising or insincere; but I do wish more TCs could be like you.

It just takes one person to be reflective in this way as 74LB has been, and I for one will find the strength to avoid petty squabblings with the likes of Eric et al.,

Thank you 74LB. I'll think about what I wish the GCs had not done.

[denizaksulu]

Things we did wrong huh.

1. The second phase of the peace opperation in my opinion was carried out too hastily.

So should it not have been carried out at all?... or just merely delayed?

But I agree ... that was the surest sealing of our present predicament.

2. Settlers were brought to the island the same year as the intervention.

Again are you saying, they should have waited a few years before bringing them, out of politeness? ... or not gone down that road of colonising Cyprus?

3. Many TC's went on looting everything and thought it would continue , many TC's who weren't cunning enough to get anything had to emigrate off the island.

So are you sympathising that some TCs were merely not cunning enough to capitalise on the free gains?

1. I think that the second phase was carried out without enough time for a settlement to be reached. More t'me should have passed before any more action being taken

2. About the settlers I don't like the systematic ( colonization ) method carried out. It was wrong to bring in so many people from all over anatolia, without a year even passing. I have no objection for a person from Turkey to come and work here and even gain citizenship but NOT in the way it was carried out in the past.


3. My grandfather went to complain to Denktas personally ( at a time he came to the village ) about the stuff going on with the distribution of GC property , before being kicked out the answer he got was " How can you not all fit into all this land, We fought the Greeks and if we have to we will fight against you also" . Again I am not against TC's using GC land this not happening at all is impossible, but not to the extent of first giving out temporary deeds then changing them into real permanent ones.

What GC's have to understand is that land that has been built on is never going to be given back. I know that GC's haven't done everything by the book when it comes to TC land in the south either.

Umit, the second phase of the operation was for strategic reasons. They (the Turkish Military) had got themselves bottled up in a small area. They also saw the Greek side as using delaying tactics so as to re-group and be in a better position to attack the Turkish forces which were in a very vulnerable situation. Needless to say they played into the hands of the Turkish Military. I dont think I am making excuses, its that I was following the negotiations closely and was aware of the critical situation on the ground.

Even better still, I had hoped that there would have been a joint effort with btitain to end the dangerous situation brought about by the coup, but the imminent elections in the UK stopped the weak Callaghan doing the right thing. He already had troops on the ready in the bases.

[umit07]

Yes Deniz I guess the Turkish Army was very vulnerable in those days ( not like today ) . So I guess they were trying to get us into a " Ali Cengiz oyunu " . What do you think personally of the remarks of GR that theTC aux. police were the ones who started the tension? Were you in the UK at the time? My father was in Australia in 74 and he said he couldn't believe that Turkey had intervened. He said that the owner of a Turkish Coffee shop that he went to got a sawn off shotgun just incase the Greeks tried anything at the time.

[denizaksulu]

Yes Deniz I guess the Turkish Army was very vulnerable in those days ( not like today ) . So I guess they were trying to get us into a " Ali Cengiz oyunu " . What do you think personally of the remarks of GR that theTC aux. police were the ones who started the tension? Were you in the UK at the time? My father was in Australia in 74 and he said he couldn't believe that Turkey had intervened. He said that the owner of a Turkish Coffee shop that he went to got a sawn off shotgun just incase the Greeks tried anything at the time.

As far as I know Umit, the Auxilaries were disbanded by 1960. Most could just about write their names as they were mostly illiterate, part timers , only joining the Auxillary for a few pence more in their pockets. (hence my remark of self preservation, but could apply to Nikitas interpretation too)They were usually from mixed villages so they knew Greek as well.

As to them starting the tensions, whoever made that remark has not got a clue. Some of the younger forumers only know what they read. What they read is not always the whole truth. As to the Auxillaries belonging to the TMT, I wouldnt know. There might have been one or two, but who knows. It was supposedly a secret organisation, but GR knows all.

[umit07]

My mothers uncle was a Auxillary from Vuda, he was a sheaperd who joined because of his financial situation. He would mostly keep watch at camp gates. He had to leave Cyprus because his GC neighbour who he got on very well with planned to kill him . Fortunatly the GC muhtar of the village gave word and my uncle hid outside that night to see if it was true. It was, the guy who would come to his house in the evenings with his kids to watch TV conspired to kill him. He left for Britain the next day.

[denizaksulu]

My mothers uncle was a Auxillary from Vuda, he was a sheaperd who joined because of his financial situation. He would mostly keep watch at camp gates. He had to leave Cyprus because his GC neighbour who he got on very well with planned to kill him . Fortunatly the GC muhtar of the village gave word and my uncle hid outside that night to see if it was true. It was, the guy who would come to his house in the evenings with his kids to watch TV conspired to kill him. He left for Britain the next day.

One from my village was brutally murdered in 1967. The GCs had lists of these and they were picked out and killed where they would/could find them.

[umit07]

My mothers uncle was a Auxillary from Vuda, he was a sheaperd who joined because of his financial situation. He would mostly keep watch at camp gates. He had to leave Cyprus because his GC neighbour who he got on very well with planned to kill him . Fortunatly the GC muhtar of the village gave word and my uncle hid outside that night to see if it was true. It was, the guy who would come to his house in the evenings with his kids to watch TV conspired to kill him. He left for Britain the next day.

One from my village was brutally murdered in 1967. The GCs had lists of these and they were picked out and killed where they would/could find them.

I guess they really do hold a grudge then. Some of are still thinking of getting back on us for 1571! That's why I'm for the zone soln. . It seems they couldn't harm us when we were secluded from them. They hold a grudge so much that they even payed two Argentenian UN soldiers to kill my fathers brother ( who was a ex-TMT commander ) while he was at his barn house on SBA land, this happened in the 80's.

[boomerang]

My mothers uncle was a Auxillary from Vuda, he was a sheaperd who joined because of his financial situation. He would mostly keep watch at camp gates. He had to leave Cyprus because his GC neighbour who he got on very well with planned to kill him . Fortunatly the GC muhtar of the village gave word and my uncle hid outside that night to see if it was true. It was, the guy who would come to his house in the evenings with his kids to watch TV conspired to kill him. He left for Britain the next day.

One from my village was brutally murdered in 1967. The GCs had lists of these and they were picked out and killed where they would/could find them.

I guess they really do hold a grudge then. Some of are still thinking of getting back on us for 1571! That's why I'm for the zone soln. . It seems they couldn't harm us when we were secluded from them. They hold a grudge so much that they even payed two Argentenian UN soldiers to kill my fathers brother ( who was a ex-TMT commander ) while he was at his barn house on SBA land, this happened in the 80's.

Did someone say grudges?...I refer you to the famous poet of the 20th century...Ecevit