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[Oracle]

Things we did wrong huh.

1. The second phase of the peace opperation in my opinion was carried out too hastily.

So should it not have been carried out at all?... or just merely delayed?

But I agree ... that was the surest sealing of our present predicament.

2. Settlers were brought to the island the same year as the intervention.

Again are you saying, they should have waited a few years before bringing them, out of politeness? ... or not gone down that road of colonising Cyprus?

3. Many TC's went on looting everything and thought it would continue , many TC's who weren't cunning enough to get anything had to emigrate off the island.

So are you sympathising that some TCs were merely not cunning enough to capitalise on the free gains?

[denizaksulu]

Things we did wrong huh.

1. The second phase of the peace opperation in my opinion was carried out too hastily.
2. Settlers were brought to the island the same year as the intervention.
3. Many TC's went on looting everything and thought it would continue , many TC's who weren't cunning enough to get anything had to emigrate off the island.

To continue this theme.............my view of mistakes by the TC side (post 74).

1 - Deep down, I just wish the TC's waited further before declaring the TRNC - and before that, there were a couple of other declaration, one a federal state (Kibris Turk Federe Develt), and before that another one (something like Otonom Kibris something or another ?).
We should have negotiated and negotiated until agreement was reached to the satisfaction of both sides (and I'm not ignoring the Armenians, Maronites and other minorities by saying this)

2 - The settlers - definately should never have been allowed in. Don't care what the reason was, their arrival was wrong.
A negotiated settlement would have been so much easier. Now, 35 years later, this will be a nightmare to resolve

3 - The Land Exchange scheme (Esdeger) was a complete balls up.
So many stories of people who who deserved compensation and ended up with bugger all, and others who had lost nothing benefitting enormously. This is not right.

4 - As was the issuing of title deeds for property that don't belong to you. And then being allowed to sell these on as well.
Another joke, and look at the mess it has left behind

5 - Currency - adopting the TL was a joke. Nobody could make heads or tails of it, and it kept spiralling out of control.
And nobody was laughing either

For the record, I agree with everything posted here by 74LB.
Additionally I always assummed the declaration of the Northern State as a leverage to bargaining and only temporary. I still hope it is a temporary measure, as the current talks would be pointless and hypocritical of the TC leaders.

[denizaksulu]

So far the only mistake we have any TCs admitting to is that they trusted us to honour the 1960 Agreement despite any rational reasons why it needed improving.

So your only mistake was to trust the GCs.

This from a nation that has denied causing countless genocides, atrocities, massacres, invasions, ethnic cleansing of other people's land.

What we are learning is that you have no perception of the evil you exude with your countless denials.

That is your message ... That you are above reproach!

In that case you have got to be the most untrustworthy nation on Earth .... and we are stuck trying to find a solution with you.

Oracle dear. Get your spectacles renewed. Nowhere did I say it was the only mistake. Other mistakes with which I was going to continue with have been addressed by 74LB. You are very poor at multitasking.

[Oracle]

So far the only mistake we have any TCs admitting to is that they trusted us to honour the 1960 Agreement despite any rational reasons why it needed improving.

So your only mistake was to trust the GCs.

This from a nation that has denied causing countless genocides, atrocities, massacres, invasions, ethnic cleansing of other people's land.

What we are learning is that you have no perception of the evil you exude with your countless denials.

That is your message ... That you are above reproach!

In that case you have got to be the most untrustworthy nation on Earth .... and we are stuck trying to find a solution with you.

Oracle dear. Get your spectacles renewed. Nowhere did I say it was the only mistake. Other mistakes with which I was going to continue with have been addressed by 74LB. You are very poor at multitasking.

Deniz ... your spectacles are the ones in need of renewal ... I said:

So far the only mistake ......

...... so please feel free to add some more ...

BTW .... it would be really good if we can pin down that flighty VP to tell us what these "mistakes" he was alluding to are ... because there is no record of such brave confessions ......

[denizaksulu]

So far the only mistake we have any TCs admitting to is that they trusted us to honour the 1960 Agreement despite any rational reasons why it needed improving.

So your only mistake was to trust the GCs.

This from a nation that has denied causing countless genocides, atrocities, massacres, invasions, ethnic cleansing of other people's land.

What we are learning is that you have no perception of the evil you exude with your countless denials.

That is your message ... That you are above reproach!

In that case you have got to be the most untrustworthy nation on Earth .... and we are stuck trying to find a solution with you.

Oracle dear. Get your spectacles renewed. Nowhere did I say it was the only mistake. Other mistakes with which I was going to continue with have been addressed by 74LB. You are very poor at multitasking.

Deniz ... your spectacles are the ones in need of renewal ... I said:

So far the only mistake ......

...... so please feel free to add some more ...

BTW .... it would be really good if we can pin down that flighty VP to tell us what these "mistakes" he was alluding to are ... because there is no record of such brave confessions ......

.you could always PM VP. He would be delighted.

[denizaksulu]

So far the only mistake we have any TCs admitting to is that they trusted us to honour the 1960 Agreement despite any rational reasons why it needed improving.

So your only mistake was to trust the GCs.

This from a nation that has denied causing countless genocides, atrocities, massacres, invasions, ethnic cleansing of other people's land.

What we are learning is that you have no perception of the evil you exude with your countless denials.

That is your message ... That you are above reproach!

In that case you have got to be the most untrustworthy nation on Earth .... and we are stuck trying to find a solution with you.

Oracle dear. Get your spectacles renewed. Nowhere did I say it was the only mistake. Other mistakes with which I was going to continue with have been addressed by 74LB. You are very poor at multitasking.

Deniz ... your spectacles are the ones in need of renewal ... I said:

So far the only mistake ......

...... so please feel free to add some more ...

BTW .... it would be really good if we can pin down that flighty VP to tell us what these "mistakes" he was alluding to are ... because there is no record of such brave confessions ......

Oracle wrote:
So far the only mistake we have any TCs admitting to is that they trusted us to honour the 1960 Agreement despite any rational reasons why it needed improving.

So your only mistake was to trust the GCs. This from a nation that has denied causing countless genocides, atrocities, massacres, invasions, ethnic cleansing of other people's land.

What we are learning is that you have no perception of the evil you exude with your countless denials.

That is your message ... That you are above reproach!


Oracle , read your highlighted bits again please. I never said it was the only one.

[umit07]

Things we did wrong huh.

1. The second phase of the peace opperation in my opinion was carried out too hastily.

So should it not have been carried out at all?... or just merely delayed?

But I agree ... that was the surest sealing of our present predicament.

2. Settlers were brought to the island the same year as the intervention.

Again are you saying, they should have waited a few years before bringing them, out of politeness? ... or not gone down that road of colonising Cyprus?

3. Many TC's went on looting everything and thought it would continue , many TC's who weren't cunning enough to get anything had to emigrate off the island.

So are you sympathising that some TCs were merely not cunning enough to capitalise on the free gains?

1. I think that the second phase was carried out without enough time for a settlement to be reached. More t'me should have passed before any more action being taken

2. About the settlers I don't like the systematic ( colonization ) method carried out. It was wrong to bring in so many people from all over anatolia, without a year even passing. I have no objection for a person from Turkey to come and work here and even gain citizenship but NOT in the way it was carried out in the past.


3. My grandfather went to complain to Denktas personally ( at a time he came to the village ) about the stuff going on with the distribution of GC property , before being kicked out the answer he got was " How can you not all fit into all this land, We fought the Greeks and if we have to we will fight against you also" . Again I am not against TC's using GC land this not happening at all is impossible, but not to the extent of first giving out temporary deeds then changing them into real permanent ones.

What GC's have to understand is that land that has been built on is never going to be given back. I know that GC's haven't done everything by the book when it comes to TC land in the south either.

[Get Real!]

What GC's have to understand is that land that has been built on is never going to be given back. I know that GC's haven't done everything by the book when it comes to TC land in the south either.

Utter nonsense! Ever heard of a bulldozer? It turns a building into a plot within a few hours.

[umit07]

What GC's have to understand is that land that has been built on is never going to be given back. I know that GC's haven't done everything by the book when it comes to TC land in the south either.

Utter nonsense! Ever heard of a bulldozer? It turns a building into a plot within a few hours.

Ever heard of a Referandum? Whatever deal broken will go to a Referandum. Just how many TC's will vote for any proposal in which all GC land is given back ( even land full of buildings ) ?????????????

Make a guess GR.

1,2,3,4,5 ??

[Get Real!]

When my time comes to reclaim my property, my demand will be very short, sweet, and simple…

'You have 24 hours to move the “Taj Mahal” or my friend Nicos the bulldozer madman will move it for you… only in granules!'