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[humanist]

Paphitis, I think the 2020 summitt was agreat idea. I was sceptyical initially but the fac that people got to have a say is a posititve thing. In my view.


VP I am not saying take a leap of faith and put your trust in the hands of GC's please read my post carefully and you will see wha I have said. You keep saying more about Turkey perhaps you guys need to re-think the unifcation thing and stop wasting UN time and money. Thre are currently committees looking at unification. If you rather go the Turkey path then you need to be honest with the rest of the World so discussions can begin on that issue and it may be as simple as we'll keep the status quo.

VP I really don't get your dominance argument at all. There are many countries in the world even the one of your birth (Britain) where there are many minority grroups and their rights are protected.

[Viewpoint]

Paphitis, I think the 2020 summitt was agreat idea. I was sceptyical initially but the fac that people got to have a say is a posititve thing. In my view.


VP I am not saying take a leap of faith and put your trust in the hands of GC's please read my post carefully and you will see wha I have said. You keep saying more about Turkey perhaps you guys need to re-think the unifcation thing and stop wasting UN time and money. Thre are currently committees looking at unification. If you rather go the Turkey path then you need to be honest with the rest of the World so discussions can begin on that issue and it may be as simple as we'll keep the status quo.

VP I really don't get your dominance argument at all. There are many countries in the world even the one of your birth (Britain) where there are many minority grroups and their rights are protected.

That's exactly it, I do not want to be in that position again, a minority in someone else's country. Thats why I moved to the TRNC from the UK this is my country and I will not be reduced to minority status, we to are indigenous to this island and there demand that we be treated as such.

As for going it with Turkey, we have been doing this for 34 years so ts nothing new, its GCs who consider this with doom and gloom, or hell on earth so with that warped ideology we are prepared to take that path rather than be reduced to a minority in a GC state run by GCs.

As you know I am a partionist and although am willing to give the committees a try I still feel they will fail miserably and the status quo will continue for a good many more years to come, at least in my life time and even further.

[denizaksulu]

VP the embargoes are there because you have taken homes lands and villages that do not belong to you. The minute you give those back the embargoes will be lifted. The rest is perhaps your paranoia becoming exposed. None theless it is your point of view and your entitled to have it. However, I am not taking your suggestion on board.

I am making no apologies for Cyprus being inducted into the EU, The EU should have thought of this before it acted.

There is only one solution VP you reclaim your properties wherever they are on the Island and afford all those refugees whose properties you are exploiting every day to do the same.

Humanist, I appreciate your plight, but the Embargo's were in place prior to 1974.

[humanist]

Deniz thank you for appreciating my plight.

I much rather though TC's moved to their villages and homes and we eneded the economic emabrgoes.



VP I really do not get the minority/ majority argument you present. As far as being indigenous to Cyprus well may be not. Your ancenstry can be traced back 300 years and you have the right to exixst equally on the Island as other Cypriots. In my belief you fdo not have a right to occupy part of the island and declare it yur country. You belong to the whole Island as the whole Isand belongs to you and any tother Cypriot,

As far as your relationship and how you perceive yourself in Britain, as a counsellor there are a few things I can conclude about but that is your issue not mine. The sad thing is that you can't see that you are still a mnority in your so called country when in fact if you put your prejudice and racism aside you could trully have a country to call your own without violating anyones rights


bt if you feel that taking from others is the fair and right thing to do that is your stuff not mine

[Viewpoint]

Deniz thank you for appreciating my plight.

I much rather though TC's moved to their villages and homes and we eneded the economic emabrgoes.



VP I really do not get the minority/ majority argument you present. As far as being indigenous to Cyprus well may be not. Your ancenstry can be traced back 300 years and you have the right to exixst equally on the Island as other Cypriots. In my belief you fdo not have a right to occupy part of the island and declare it yur country. You belong to the whole Island as the whole Isand belongs to you and any tother Cypriot,

As far as your relationship and how you perceive yourself in Britain, as a counsellor there are a few things I can conclude about but that is your issue not mine. The sad thing is that you can't see that you are still a mnority in your so called country when in fact if you put your prejudice and racism aside you could trully have a country to call your own without violating anyones rights


bt if you feel that taking from others is the fair and right thing to do that is your stuff not mine

Humanist I personally did not take from anyone, and the circumstancies we live today are a direct result of a number of factors which dont forget GCs contibuted to, culminating in us having to take drastic action to save our lives and provide a safe haven for our future.

The you are a minority argument does not hold water in the TRNC as we all speak, eat and share the same culture being Turkish, the last 34 years has brought us closer to our Turkish brothers than GCs and this will increase as the years pass, we have resigned ourselves to this as this was our origin. So now you can appreciate why the are all Cypriots line does not sell to the majority of TCs, who have seen better times with Turkey than GCs.

I think 437 years makes us just as much indigenous to these lands as you guys, once you start to accept this fact is when you will realize why we as a community ask to treated equally with yours.

I left behind the minority issues in the UK and came home where I am a TC living amongst my own people, that perception makes me comfortable in knowing that this country the TRNC is mine and that roles have been reversed and I am in the position of the English man in the UK and anyone else is the minority like the Brits, the roles have now been reversed. This I do not want to give up that's why TCs need to administer their own area in BBF solution where was can veto just like you do in the EU on issues that will effect 800.000 vs 300.000.000.

[humanist]

VP I can no longer continue the converation with you. I am sorry

[Viewpoint]

VP I can no longer continue the converation with you. I am sorry

You are free to do what you wish but it only shows that when faced with having to deal with reality you have no real intention of compromising, your aim is to promote we are all Cypriots in the hope we fall for it and accept a GC state and us as a minority ruled by GCs.

[humanist]

yep you got me there, VP

[GeorgeV97qaue]

Viewpoint I do not agree with your argument. As you stated above GC's aswell as TC's lead us down the path we currently find ourselves.

As for being a minority that doesnt wash with me. As you said you are Cypriot Yes. The whole island is your home not just the North.

Yes many people from each side were killed in 1963 in the inter communal fighting. But that was 45 years ago people change and everyone needs to move on.

If we did unite the country as I hope we will you will not be a minority. You are Cypriot we are one people regardless of which ethnic & religious back ground you belong too.

Just to clarify leading upto 1974 their was no inter communal fighting just greek against greek. Turkeys greed lead to the partition of my beloved country and I'm denied access to my farthers family home.

We live in a civilsed country now but if you are happy living on stolen land then that proves all along that TC's were only in for them selves. That's why TC's sided with the British in the fifty's.

[Viewpoint]

GeorgeV97qaue

Viewpoint I do not agree with your argument. As you stated above GC's aswell as TC's lead us down the path we currently find ourselves.

Agreed both sides contributed to the division of today.

As for being a minority that doesnt wash with me. As you said you are Cypriot Yes. The whole island is your home not just the North.

That may have been the case before you took that right away from me and discriminated and persecuted my community into ghettos, where were you then? turning a blind eye like the rest of the GC population.

Yes many people from each side were killed in 1963 in the inter communal fighting. But that was 45 years ago people change and everyone needs to move on.

We have moved on to the TRNC, to change the situation both sides have to prove they have changed otherwise the status quo will continue for a long time to come.

If we did unite the country as I hope we will you will not be a minority. You are Cypriot we are one people regardless of which ethnic & religious back ground you belong too.

Thats why we need sfaeguards to guarantee you do not treat us as a minority and that the 2 communites have an equal say in the running of the island. The tells us not to trust the numerical majority names lthe the GCs, if you have only good intentions then you shoudl not object to allowing the safeguards we ask for.

Just to clarify leading upto 1974 their was no inter communal fighting just greek against greek. Turkeys greed lead to the partition of my beloved country and I'm denied access to my farthers family home.

1974 was the last drop for TCs we were persecuted and discriminated against thrown out of government, faced with the risk of being wiped out we had to fight for survival, we wanted Turkey here to save us and the came, you had the opportunity to build a Cypriot nation but blew it onan enosis dream.

We live in a civilsed country now but if you are happy living on stolen land then that proves all along that TC's were only in for them selves. That's why TC's sided with the British in the fifty's.

We live in our country on our land you cannot steal what is already yours, we may have more than our fair share but we will keep it for you until you decide whether you want to agree a comprehensive solution, we pay by having no recognition and you pay with loss of your land.