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[Eric dayi]

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

Have you shown your "proposal" to your new Communist Leader at all RW?

Let us know what he thinks of it when you show it to him.

[Oracle]

The talks are not going to get any results what so ever, it's all a farce set up by the GCs to try to gain some high ground looking as if they want peace but in reality we know they don't.

The communist "President" of the so-called "RoC" has been shouting his mouth off since before the elections that he will not change a single thing in what the GCs want and what the GCs want is so very clear that even a blind person can see it. Forget it, it will never happen.

OTOH, the so-called "RoC" is loosing millions every single day Turkey keeps the ports closed to "Cypriot" registered ships. The so-called "RoC" has lost so many ships that it is no longer the 4th but 16th (I think) largest in the Maritime listing.

The so-called "RoC" is crying blood and has to so something to get the foreign ships back and also to get Turkey to open it's ports to it so it won't loose billions and billions.

So what alternatives does the so-called "RoC" has?

War? Never in a million years.

Blackmail Turkey with the EU veto? Never in a million years.

It seems that there are only two roots for the GCs to take.

1) Accept BBF and power sharing.

or

2) Recognise the TRNC in exchange for Turkey opening it's ports.

I think we can safely remove the BBF off the list as well because we all know that the GCs will never accept power sharing so what's left?

TRNC over? I don't think so.

I've already told you ... the Turkish troops are going to be issued with official marching orders to withdraw from EU territory!

[Viewpoint]

OP please reread the proposal, and the thread, with a fresh look and having digested what has already been said, perhaps you can add to your comments.

VP, i ask you to show us your compassion, by giving your answer more body. if it is only the concept of "cantons" that bothers you, this is greatly encouraging.

umit perhaps you will make the same effort, it would be greatly appreciated.

As I have stated I am against cantons in each state, the upper house does address our concerns with being able to veto but this will be reject by your own side not ours.

[Eric dayi]

The talks are not going to get any results what so ever, it's all a farce set up by the GCs to try to gain some high ground looking as if they want peace but in reality we know they don't.

The communist "President" of the so-called "RoC" has been shouting his mouth off since before the elections that he will not change a single thing in what the GCs want and what the GCs want is so very clear that even a blind person can see it. Forget it, it will never happen.

OTOH, the so-called "RoC" is loosing millions every single day Turkey keeps the ports closed to "Cypriot" registered ships. The so-called "RoC" has lost so many ships that it is no longer the 4th but 16th (I think) largest in the Maritime listing.

The so-called "RoC" is crying blood and has to so something to get the foreign ships back and also to get Turkey to open it's ports to it so it won't loose billions and billions.

So what alternatives does the so-called "RoC" has?

War? Never in a million years.

Blackmail Turkey with the EU veto? Never in a million years.

It seems that there are only two roots for the GCs to take.

1) Accept BBF and power sharing.

or

2) Recognise the TRNC in exchange for Turkey opening it's ports.

I think we can safely remove the BBF off the list as well because we all know that the GCs will never accept power sharing so what's left?

TRNC over? I don't think so.

I've already told you ... the Turkish troops are going to be issued with official marching orders to withdraw from EU territory!

Dream on baby.

[Get Real!]

2) Recognise the TRNC in exchange for Turkey opening it's ports.

I think we can safely remove the BBF off the list as well because we all know that the GCs will never accept power sharing so what's left?

TRNC over? I don't think so.

The TC community is far too small and weak to ever form any worthwhile international entity so all that can ever be achieved if partition ultimately succeeds, is the extension of Turkey onto Cypriot territory and the ultimate evaporation of what was once known as the “Turkish Cypriot” people.

Those Turkish Cypriots who dream of a TC “state” of a mere 120,000 people will be quickly disappointed, as holding onto a micro-state and preserving its desired nature would be the hardest tasks of all for a handful of people.

The interferences from Turkey in the north and the Greek Cypriots in the south will be enormous so expect such a micro-state to have a very short and turbulent life; the Cypriot tragedy repeating itself…

[bilako22]

Get Real the TC people do not evaporate , they merely evolve into something much better.

[Get Real!]

Get Real the TC people do not evaporate , they merely evolve into something much better.

Sure, don't keep your people guessing for too long... tell them what they'll "evolve" into.

[bilako22]

there is no guessing involved , go into the TRNC and find out.

[Get Real!]

there is no guessing involved , go into the TRNC and find out.

What kind of an answer is that? Here we were thinking you had a plan of how a recognized TC state would survive via some kind of "evolution" and you're still talking about the current "TRNC"?

[Eric dayi]

2) Recognise the TRNC in exchange for Turkey opening it's ports.

I think we can safely remove the BBF off the list as well because we all know that the GCs will never accept power sharing so what's left?

TRNC over? I don't think so.

The TC community is far too small and weak to ever form any worthwhile international entity so all that can ever be achieved if partition ultimately succeeds, is the extension of Turkey onto Cypriot territory and the ultimate evaporation of what was once known as the “Turkish Cypriot” people.

Those Turkish Cypriots who dream of a TC “state” of a mere 120,000 people will be quickly disappointed, as holding onto a micro-state and preserving its desired nature would be the hardest tasks of all for a handful of people.

The interferences from Turkey in the north and the Greek Cypriots in the south will be enormous so expect such a micro-state to have a very short and turbulent life; the Cypriot tragedy repeating itself…

Your concern for the TCs is overwhelming GR, really and I'm touch as are all the TCs. I'll shed a tear when I have some free time.