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[Viewpoint]

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

No for me, Im totally against cantons/ghettos so I would reject your proposal purely on this point.

[repulsewarrior]

...it's a ghetto if you are oppressed. But, in this case you are not oppressed.

[Viewpoint]

...it's a ghetto if you are oppressed. But, in this case you are not oppressed.

It will remind us of bad times past we will not go back to those times sorry not for me.

[repulsewarrior]

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

How are you RW ? Still trying to sell your proposal I see . But there doesn't seem to be many GC's here willing to buy it.

thank-you umit. please describe the advantages of this proposal (although general it remains clear) to Turkish Cypriots for the benefit of all the readers. will you at least repeat your opinion of it for my benefit.

between partition and this proposal which is sustainable?

[Oracle]

And how do the TCs feel about it?... or would they just wait for talks to fail ....

I don't think it's rubbish. But it seems too general . We need more details. Anything that means letting go of the RoC for the GC's seems like their worst nightmare.

I see Oracle that you are not responding to the challenge . It seems that you don't even believe in what you write

What challenge ... RW already has a comprehensive review from me over several posts!

[repulsewarrior]

...it's a ghetto if you are oppressed. But, in this case you are not oppressed.

It will remind us of bad times past we will not go back to those times sorry not for me.

...it may remind you of bad times since you are old enough. but i look forward to the future beyond this isolation that keeps us apart.

dividing the island in two will require an armed frontier, outside of lala philosophy, and it will represent a failure as Humans to better this condition which will leave us as this island's dwellers impotent in forming any desire that benefits this island and its people as a whole.

[umit07]

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

How are you RW ? Still trying to sell your proposal I see . But there doesn't seem to be many GC's here willing to buy it.

thank-you umit. please describe the advantages of this proposal (although general it remains clear) to Turkish Cypriots for the benefit of all the readers. will you at least repeat your opinion of it for my benefit.

between partition and this proposal which is sustainable?

THe problem is RW that TC's have gotten used to the fact of not going back, I wouldn't like to live in a closed community in the form of an enclave. The proposal's "good point" , which is it's killing point for GC's is that the form of Gov. will be based on ethnic backgrounds making one country and one identity towards the outside world. This I think is the key to the whole problm RW. You yourself RW have come to accept this , but most GC's cannot. I'm not saying the proposal is the best one, but it is something that can be worked on.

[Eric dayi]

The talks are not going to get any results what so ever, it's all a farce set up by the GCs to try to gain some high ground looking as if they want peace but in reality we know they don't.

The communist "President" of the so-called "RoC" has been shouting his mouth off since before the elections that he will not change a single thing in what the GCs want and what the GCs want is so very clear that even a blind person can see it. Forget it, it will never happen.

OTOH, the so-called "RoC" is loosing millions every single day Turkey keeps the ports closed to "Cypriot" registered ships. The so-called "RoC" has lost so many ships that it is no longer the 4th but 16th (I think) largest in the Maritime listing.

The so-called "RoC" is crying blood and has to so something to get the foreign ships back and also to get Turkey to open it's ports to it so it won't loose billions and billions.

So what alternatives does the so-called "RoC" has?

War? Never in a million years.

Blackmail Turkey with the EU veto? Never in a million years.

It seems that there are only two roots for the GCs to take.

1) Accept BBF and power sharing.

or

2) Recognise the TRNC in exchange for Turkey opening it's ports.

I think we can safely remove the BBF off the list as well because we all know that the GCs will never accept power sharing so what's left?

TRNC over? I don't think so.

[umit07]

And how do the TCs feel about it?... or would they just wait for talks to fail ....

I don't think it's rubbish. But it seems too general . We need more details. Anything that means letting go of the RoC for the GC's seems like their worst nightmare.

I see Oracle that you are not responding to the challenge . It seems that you don't even believe in what you write

What challenge ... RW already has a comprehensive review from me over several posts!

A bet about if the Turkish Army will be forced to leave.

[repulsewarrior]

OP please reread the proposal, and the thread, with a fresh look and having digested what has already been said, perhaps you can add to your comments.

VP, i ask you to show us your compassion, by giving your answer more body. if it is only the concept of "cantons" that bothers you, this is greatly encouraging.

umit perhaps you will make the same effort, it would be greatly appreciated.