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[Nikitas]

Radical changes taking place in Turkey Bananiot would be signaled by one thing more than any other: cessation of the almost daily violations of Greek air space. And no, I do not mean the violations of the 10 mile air limit which is in dispute, but the 6 mile limit which is internationally recognised. That along with the incursions into Greek waters and harassment of Greek fishermen.

Until these little indications of a mindset stop, there is no radical change in Turkey.

[Bananiot]

For a minute I thought you would say a radical change would be if they became Christian! Do you think Erdogan's Turkey is the same as Ecevit's Turkey? Can you not see the daily struggle between the elected government and the army?

[pantheman]

For a minute I thought you would say a radical change would be if they became Christian! Do you think Erdogan's Turkey is the same as Ecevit's Turkey? Can you not see the daily struggle between the elected government and the army?

Nikitas, save your breath man, this idiot doesn't understand what radical changes are. He is in total support of the Turkish regime, just take a look. Where on the planet can the AG try to ban the government?? Where on the planet is the army telling the government whatit can and can't do. This is the Turkeys that this bananaidiot supports. Just check his posts.

Radical changes mean just that, where the rule of law is in place human rights respected and democracy rules rules FFS bananaidiot.

You just want us to hand the patrida to the turks so you can go kiss some more turkish arse.

Radical changes will happen in Turkey when one of 2 things happen;

1. When pigs learn to fly

Again you make me ashamed to say I ama GC, when we can have someone like you who will so easily sell us out. Go live in the F North if you like them that much and get out of our faces.

[unitedwestand]

For a minute I thought you would say a radical change would be if they became Christian! Do you think Erdogan's Turkey is the same as Ecevit's Turkey? Can you not see the daily struggle between the elected government and the army?

Nikitas, save your breath man, this idiot doesn't understand what radical changes are. He is in total support of the Turkish regime, just take a look. Where on the planet can the AG try to ban the government?? Where on the planet is the army telling the government whatit can and can't do. This is the Turkeys that this bananaidiot supports. Just check his posts.

Radical changes mean just that, where the rule of law is in place human rights respected and democracy rules rules FFS bananaidiot.

You just want us to hand the patrida to the turks so you can go kiss some more turkish arse.

Radical changes will happen in Turkey when one of 2 things happen;

1. When pigs learn to fly

or

2. When some F fundamentalist F nukes the bastards and it starts from scratch following the simple rules of civilisation

Bananaidiot, de se xonevw, eisai prodotis, gamo tin ratsa sou pezevengi.

Again you make me ashamed to say I ama GC, when we can have someone like you who will so easily sell us out. Go live in the F North if you like them that much and get out of our faces.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Bananiot has more decency in his toe you moron. He is more GC than you, GR, Piratis, Kifeas, Oracle and Kikapu put together.

I know Bananiot will not lower himself to your level and swear back at you so here is a little taster from me to you.

Sihtir lan sulalesi sikismis orospu cocugu.

[unitedwestand]

For a minute I thought you would say a radical change would be if they became Christian! Do you think Erdogan's Turkey is the same as Ecevit's Turkey? Can you not see the daily struggle between the elected government and the army?

Nikitas, save your breath man, this idiot doesn't understand what radical changes are. He is in total support of the Turkish regime, just take a look. Where on the planet can the AG try to ban the government?? Where on the planet is the army telling the government whatit can and can't do. This is the Turkeys that this bananaidiot supports. Just check his posts.

Radical changes mean just that, where the rule of law is in place human rights respected and democracy rules rules FFS bananaidiot.

You just want us to hand the patrida to the turks so you can go kiss some more turkish arse.

Radical changes will happen in Turkey when one of 2 things happen;

1. When pigs learn to fly

or

2. When some F fundamentalist F nukes the bastards and it starts from scratch following the simple rules of civilisation

Bananaidiot, de se xonevw, eisai prodotis, gamo tin ratsa sou pezevengi.

Again you make me ashamed to say I ama GC, when we can have someone like you who will so easily sell us out. Go live in the F North if you like them that much and get out of our faces.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Bananiot has more decency in his toe you moron. He is more GC than you, GR, Piratis, Kifeas, Oracle and Kikapu put together.

I know Bananiot will not lower himself to your level and swear back at you so here is a little taster from me to you.

Sihtir lan sulalesi sikismis orospu cocugu.

OK arse united here is one we can all understand, FUCK YOU ARSE HOLE

i WOULD HAVE MADE IT FLASHING BUT THE SYSTEM DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.

I don't do man to man. Please see Humanist

[pantheman]

For a minute I thought you would say a radical change would be if they became Christian! Do you think Erdogan's Turkey is the same as Ecevit's Turkey? Can you not see the daily struggle between the elected government and the army?

Nikitas, save your breath man, this idiot doesn't understand what radical changes are. He is in total support of the Turkish regime, just take a look. Where on the planet can the AG try to ban the government?? Where on the planet is the army telling the government whatit can and can't do. This is the Turkeys that this bananaidiot supports. Just check his posts.

Radical changes mean just that, where the rule of law is in place human rights respected and democracy rules rules FFS bananaidiot.

You just want us to hand the patrida to the turks so you can go kiss some more turkish arse.

Radical changes will happen in Turkey when one of 2 things happen;

1. When pigs learn to fly

or

2. When some F fundamentalist F nukes the bastards and it starts from scratch following the simple rules of civilisation

Bananaidiot, de se xonevw, eisai prodotis, gamo tin ratsa sou pezevengi.

Again you make me ashamed to say I ama GC, when we can have someone like you who will so easily sell us out. Go live in the F North if you like them that much and get out of our faces.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Bananiot has more decency in his toe you moron. He is more GC than you, GR, Piratis, Kifeas, Oracle and Kikapu put together.

I know Bananiot will not lower himself to your level and swear back at you so here is a little taster from me to you.

Sihtir lan sulalesi sikismis orospu cocugu.

OK arse united here is one we can all understand, FUCK YOU ARSE HOLE

i WOULD HAVE MADE IT FLASHING BUT THE SYSTEM DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.

I don't do man to man. Please see Humanist

would you do man to bananaidiot ?

[Nikitas]

"Can you not see the daily struggle between the elected government and the army?"

The government is elected, but it has an islamist agenda, and therefore it becomes a target of the Kemalist secularist army. Neither one is in line with modern democratic practice.

[Bananiot]

Here you are Nikitas. It boils down to options after all, does it not? As you correctly put it we have a government with a (mild) islamist agenda that is pro European and a so called secular army with a tough nationalist agenda that till now says that the Cyprus issue was solved in 1974. Erdogan, on the other hand, recognised since 2003 that we have a problem that needs attention and solution so that the European aspirations of Turkey can be advanced. In the meantime, everyone recognises that time is running out for solution. We have another year or so. After this things can get very tough. Talat will probably lose the elections and in his place we will get someone that will take the tough Denktash stance. Only this time, fingers will not easily be pointed at the Turkish Cypriots because they have done their bit in 2004. In Turkey, if Erdogan does not survive, we will go back to the old days of continuous impasse. Again, very few will point an accusing finger at Turkey.

Where does this leave Cyprus? Do you think the patriotic rhetoric of Pantheman and his likes will be enough to save the day for this island?

[-mikkie2-]

The problem in Turkey is that the 'secular' elite have control of much of the civil service, the judiciary and the army. For Erdogan and the AKP to survive, they need the support of Europe and the outside world.

We need to engage the Turks now because in Turkey, things can change very quickly. If the AKP does fall and replaced by a more nationalist regime then we can kiss goodbye to a solution in Cyprus. Of course this will mean that Turkey will not join or have any hope of joining the EU and it will also mean that northern Cyprus will be absorbed into Turkey. There will be no 'trnc' in the north, but just Turkey and a hostile one at that. Are we prepared to have this outcome? I think much of what we hear from the press of both sides is essentially what people want to hear. The Turks insist on negotiating on the basis of the Annan plan, so as to keep the TC's happy, and our side isists on negoatiaing on the basis of a new, Cypriot plan so as to keep the GC's happy. In reality we will get something in between because both sides will need to be flexible if a solution is ever to come about.

[cymart]

....but this topic was supposed to be about Varosha so can we please get back to it?Has anyone in the north been in there recently and can give us an update-how many hotels are the military using for family accom. and holidays?Is it just the Sandy beach and Golden Plage?What about the beach bar way down towards Ayios Memnon where you could apparently get good Lahmacun?Could anyone get in and use it?