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Britain blocks EU missive on Turkey

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby cannedmoose » Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:31 pm

pantelis wrote:Is it not time for the British turkeys to pack up their bases and move on, from Cyprus, Moose?


If you're expecting disagreement from me, you're going to be somewhat disappointed panteli. I'm not a fan of the bases and certainly don't believe that they should remain under British sovereignty, it's an anachronism that they still exist in such a form. My preference is for the area of the bases to be markedly reduced and for them to be granted to Britain on a 50-year leasehold, with safeguards to prevent use by other foreign forces. After the 50 years are up, it's up to the Cypriot government to determine if it wants the territory back, or to renew the lease for any period of time.

The bases will remain for now, that's clear, it's not in anyone's interest to make a big deal out of them because they are a vital cog in the global spy network, so crossing horns with the UK on this also brings in other important players with an interest in them.

The question is therefore not how to get rid of them, but how to make them work in Cyprus' favour too.

P.S. 'Check' is an Americanism... much prefer the classic 'cheque' myself :lol:
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Postby pantelis » Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:36 pm

so crossing horns with the UK on this also brings in other important players with an interest in them.


You and the rest of the Britts, may have horns, I don't.
Go "cross" them somewhere else........
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Postby Kifeas » Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:36 pm

Brother wrote:Brother asks:

What does that mean? if you feel the need to quote greek phrases etc. please be kind enough to translate so persons like me can read it too...thanks

E Tan E Epi Tas!
"Return with your shield or on it" was every Spartan Mother's wartime farewell to her son.
i.e. Either return as a winner, carrying your shield with you or I want you laying dead on top of your shield and with the fatal wounds on your chest and not on your back (sign of retreat)


Molon Lave - Come and Get Them: (What the Spartan Commander at Thermopylae said when ordered to lay down his arms)

Before the beginning of the Battle of Thermopylae, the Persians sent emissaries to bribe the Greeks to give up their arms. Leonidas rejected the offer by saying: "Molon Lave!" ("Come and get them!"). The result: 1,000,000 Persians lost 20,000 and yet failed to disarm 300 Spartans. Until a traitor. The name: Efialtes (ironically in Greek it means ”nightmare”). He led the Persians from a hidden path behind the lines of the Spartans. There at some point Leonidas was killed. The battle was fiercer over the body of the Spartan king. The Greeks four times drove back the enemy, and at last succeeded in retrieving the body
to encircle and protect it. This battle was scarcely ended when the Persians that came from the hidden path surrounded the Spartans. The Spartans changed their formation and formed a circle around the body of their king. Once again they denied an offer for their lives. They defended themselves to the last and they died.... for freedom, for democracy.

Before dying to the last, they wrote an inscription on a stone saying:
“O Ξειν αγγλειν Λακεδεμονιεις οτι τοιδε κειμεθα, τις κεινων ρημασι πειθομενει,” which translates as “Hello stranger (passing bier,) you that will announce (verify) to the Lakedemonians (Spartans at home) that you indeed saw us laying dead to the last one on this spot, remaining faithful to their orders and wishes.
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Postby Bananiot » Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:47 pm

But, the Spartans were true Greeks. We are not but barbarians that learned Greek. So, how can we emulate their feats?
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Postby brother » Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:56 pm

Why would we want to emulate there feats when in those times it was the way of the sword(sounds like a corny kung-fu movie) when in our times the 21 century we should be creating peace without spilling any blood so our ancestors will talk about our great achievements, and before you lot start saying wishful thinking i bet all that time ago many said to the 300 spartans it would be wishful thinking trying to hold back the persians but they believed in themselves accomplished the impossible and now we talk with pride about these good men, see what i mean.
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Postby cannedmoose » Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:40 pm

pantelis wrote:You and the rest of the Britts, may have horns, I don't.
Go "cross" them in somewhere else........


Pointless trying to have a reasoned debate with you sometimes re... :roll:

P.S. On a Spartan theme, there's a fish-and-chip shop in my town called 300 Spartans, with a statue of Leonidas inside and a Parthenon backdrop wallcovering... do you think they're Greek by any chance? :lol:
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Postby pantelis » Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:48 pm

Pointless trying to have a reasoned debate with you sometimes re...


Pointless, since you would not make a point across.
Do you agree that Britain is helping Turkey sign a "bad check"?
If not, what is your point, what is your excuse?
How are the Britts helping the solution to the Cyprus problem?
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Postby cannedmoose » Wed Apr 20, 2005 2:55 pm

pantelis wrote:Pointless, since you would not make a point across.
Do you agree that Britain is helping Turkey sign a "bad check"?
If not, what is your point, what is your excuse?
How are the Britts helping the solution to the Cyprus problem?


If you had bothered to read my original post, you'd see that I disagree with UK policy on this issue...

As for what the UK is doing to find a solution, they can't really do much with an obstructionist like TPap in the Presidential Palace. Plus, if they did get too involved, you'd probably denounce them for attempting to impose a settlement from outside, so they can't win either way.

Just because I'm British pantelis, doesn't mean I support everything my government says or does, so don't accuse me of being representative of my state's views. However, I will not stand idly and pander to much of the unnecessary Brit-bashing that takes place in here all the time, particularly when the source of information comes from the infamously inaccurate and conspiracy-laden Cyprus jungle-telegraph.
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Postby erolz » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:01 pm

pantelis wrote:Pointless, since you would not make a point across.
Do you agree that Britain is helping Turkey sign a "bad check"?


Britain postion appears to be that Turkey and the EU did not agree on implementation of the protocal, just the signing of it. Thus for the EU to insist now, after the fact, on both signing and implementing it is not asking for a 'good cheque' - it's more akin to asking a cheques in more than the maount than was originaly agreed. That as I understand it is Britains position here

pantelis wrote:How are the Britts helping the solution to the Cyprus problem?


By making it clear that the RoC can not use the EU to force Turkey and TC to give into it's maximal demands? How is blackmailing Turkey, rather than getting down to real negotitation, helping to find a solution to the Cyprus problem?
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Postby brother » Wed Apr 20, 2005 3:08 pm

Can i jump in and say that the Italians also backed the u.k and are one of turkeys staunchiest allies, are they also part of the cyprus problem.
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