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[Paphitis]

No problem if Cypriotism rises and bonds all Cypriots together. What we must also remember however is that most Cypriots also have cultural bonds. These bonds either connect us all with either Greek and Turkish and it is up to the individual if they wish to celebrate this culture. These cultural links are due to language, cuisine, religion and psyche etc etc. Cypriots should feel proud of Cypriotism but we must also embrace each culture (Greek and Turkish) and be tolerant of it. A Cyprus solution depends on it.

When I m refering to other cultures I dont inlcude only the Greek and turkish but also other cultures that have contributed to Cyprus on the state that it is at the moment not only the Greek and Turkish cultures. The problem I see is to impóse the Greek culture to the rest . This shows disrespect to the other cultures that have been living on the island. This is my point. This is the reason I describe the Cyprus culture as a mixed culture in my previous post.

The church and the educational system has failed to embrace this mixed culture and have tried to impose the Greek culture to the rest . here it is the problem It is not a Greek teritory and this is where we go wrong. What culture to you have in Autsralia is it Chinese or English?

You are right. It is a question of education. No one should impose anything on anyone. Basically feel free to be Cypriot first and embrace each other person and allow them the freedom to celebrate their culture whether that be Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Latin, Lebanese, English etc etc. Cyprus will be a much richer country if this is achieved.

Religions are just a gathering of blind sheep festering intolerance, prejudice and also they seem to have this mentality that anyone that is not part of their flock is inferior. Maybe their should be a zero tolerance on religion. Just kidding.

[Paphitis]

The only ones denying the existence of other minorities on Cyprus are the TCs ... who think they are the only minority and hence due some special attention, above and beyond the normal Human Rights everybody else currently enjoys on Cyprus.

As per usual you are again talking out of what you should be sitting on.

The fact remains that we TCs were in line of GC/Greek fire because we refused to let you have your ENOSIS and turn us TCs in to Muslim Greeks thus eliminating anything Turkish in Cyprus.

It is also a fact that this "Cypriot only" mumbo jumbo is another attempt at genociding us TCs by trying to force us to forget our Turkishness thus paving the way for you Greeks/GCs to eliminate any memories of Turkishness.

What you could not achieve by armed force you are now trying to achieve with the "we are all Cypriots" crap.


Dream on baby.

YAWN. YAWN We were having an interesting debate only to be interupted by this.

[Eric dayi]

The only ones denying the existence of other minorities on Cyprus are the TCs ... who think they are the only minority and hence due some special attention, above and beyond the normal Human Rights everybody else currently enjoys on Cyprus.

As per usual you are again talking out of what you should be sitting on.

The fact remains that we TCs were in line of GC/Greek fire because we refused to let you have your ENOSIS and turn us TCs in to Muslim Greeks thus eliminating anything Turkish in Cyprus.

It is also a fact that this "Cypriot only" mumbo jumbo is another attempt at genociding us TCs by trying to force us to forget our Turkishness thus paving the way for you Greeks/GCs to eliminate any memories of Turkishness.

What you could not achieve by armed force you are now trying to achieve with the "we are all Cypriots" crap.


Dream on baby.

YAWN. YAWN We were having an interesting debate only to be interupted by this.

Your conversations are as interesting as watching paint dry little man.

[Nikitas]

"we refused to let you have your ENOSIS"

So you went ahead and had your Enosis. Hypocrite.

[Paphitis]

"we refused to let you have your ENOSIS"

So you went ahead and had your Enosis. Hypocrite.

Why bother replying to him Nikitas? He is obviously a nutcase.

[Get Real!]

Funny how TCs & GCs live happily together as micro-minorities in western places like the US, UK, and Australia, but upon returning to God-forsaken Cyprus they all start acting like bloody Greek Tsoliades or Turkish Janissaries again!!!

Ever wonder why? Try this…

These western countries do not allow you to play ethnic games, but force you to abide by their rules and regulations where the country comes first so what choice do you have?

Perhaps if Cyprus was to adopt a similar ZERO tolerance to ethnic mambo-jambo and start throwing the trouble makers out, you’d all soon start concentrating on your jobs and families as you should, get on with life as CITIZENS, and forget about any “motherlands”!

I do not no what the hell you are talking about as you do not make much sense. Firstly, Australia was a very racist country in the 70s and 80s. Assimilation seemed to be the catch phrase. Whilst racism is still evident but in a much lesser extent, it suddenly became acceptable by most to harness the virtues and colour of a multicultural society. There are many advantages in this. For example, Australian society is very cosmopolitan and you can walk down the street and walk past an Italian, Greek, Chinese, Thai, Turkish and Indian restaurant all within 1 block. Australians are able to enjoy a variety of culture, cuisine, and music. It makes for a very interesting and colourful society.

Basically, migrant Australians feel very proud of their adopted country Australia. But they are also very well attached to their roots and history. Greeks and Turks in Australia are particularly proud of their heritage. And if they were not, then their second and third generations would not have been able to maintain their identity (ethnos), language and culture. The Australia of today accepts this and has become a melting pot of dozens of cultures and the country benefits from what is offered. The Australians love it unless of course if you are a redneck.

If Cyprus adopts a zero tolerance to ethnic mambo jumbo as you call it, then Cyprus would time warp itself back to the 50s. The key here should be to allow people to celebrate their ethnos (Greek and Turkish) if they wish, and for Cypriots to embrace it. Apart from celebrating ones culture (Greek and Turkish), all Cypriots must also be Cypriots first and foremost in order to build their country which is Cyprus.

But, do you honestly think that Australia would tolerate you forming an ethnic political movement in their country? You’d be branded a terrorist, arrested, and sent to the NT where they keep all their undesirables for years without a trial.

[Get Real!]

Problem is, I don't think many TCs will adopt this new Cypriot national identity when you exclude them right from the start. If you don't, you're saying nothing more than what AKEL's been saying for ages

You keep insisting that I "exclude" Turkish Cypriots so I'm starting to take this very personal... please expand on this.

[Get Real!]

So how long did it take you to adapt to being a True Cypriot then GR! ....

Weird question... it assumes that I had to adopt to an undisclosed Cypriot standard....

Sorry, can't possibly answer this.

[Get Real!]

If all this happened you'd be one bored GR.

Sometimes I feel that my friend DirobiTta is the only one that understands me...

[Paphitis]

Funny how TCs & GCs live happily together as micro-minorities in western places like the US, UK, and Australia, but upon returning to God-forsaken Cyprus they all start acting like bloody Greek Tsoliades or Turkish Janissaries again!!!

Ever wonder why? Try this…

These western countries do not allow you to play ethnic games, but force you to abide by their rules and regulations where the country comes first so what choice do you have?

Perhaps if Cyprus was to adopt a similar ZERO tolerance to ethnic mambo-jambo and start throwing the trouble makers out, you’d all soon start concentrating on your jobs and families as you should, get on with life as CITIZENS, and forget about any “motherlands”!

I do not no what the hell you are talking about as you do not make much sense. Firstly, Australia was a very racist country in the 70s and 80s. Assimilation seemed to be the catch phrase. Whilst racism is still evident but in a much lesser extent, it suddenly became acceptable by most to harness the virtues and colour of a multicultural society. There are many advantages in this. For example, Australian society is very cosmopolitan and you can walk down the street and walk past an Italian, Greek, Chinese, Thai, Turkish and Indian restaurant all within 1 block. Australians are able to enjoy a variety of culture, cuisine, and music. It makes for a very interesting and colourful society.

Basically, migrant Australians feel very proud of their adopted country Australia. But they are also very well attached to their roots and history. Greeks and Turks in Australia are particularly proud of their heritage. And if they were not, then their second and third generations would not have been able to maintain their identity (ethnos), language and culture. The Australia of today accepts this and has become a melting pot of dozens of cultures and the country benefits from what is offered. The Australians love it unless of course if you are a redneck.

If Cyprus adopts a zero tolerance to ethnic mambo jumbo as you call it, then Cyprus would time warp itself back to the 50s. The key here should be to allow people to celebrate their ethnos (Greek and Turkish) if they wish, and for Cypriots to embrace it. Apart from celebrating ones culture (Greek and Turkish), all Cypriots must also be Cypriots first and foremost in order to build their country which is Cyprus.

But, do you honestly think that Australia would tolerate you forming an ethnic political movement in their country? You’d be branded a terrorist, arrested, and sent to the NT where they keep all their undesirables for years without a trial.

GR, In Australia we have many Ethnic Political Movements. There are even many Cypriot political movements. SEKA and PASEKA are 2 examples. There are even Turkish Cypriot and Turkish political movements.

Also, Australia has an extremely very strong constitution and democracy and allows ethnic political movements and lobbies. There are also countless ethnic associations. What Australia has managed to do is to achieve tolerance.

You should come and have a look for your self.