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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:21 pm

michalis5354 wrote:Today is important of course and I acknolwedge we have a problem . Hope bold decisions are taken from all sides to end the conflict so an independent Cyprus with a Cypriot culture becomes a reality. hope you are happy with this. :D :D


No problem if Cypriotism rises and bonds all Cypriots together. What we must also remember however is that most Cypriots also have cultural bonds. These bonds either connect us all with either Greek and Turkish and it is up to the individual if they wish to celebrate this culture. These cultural links are due to language, cuisine, religion and psyche etc etc. Cypriots should feel proud of Cypriotism but we must also embrace each culture (Greek and Turkish) and be tolerant of it. A Cyprus solution depends on it.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:45 pm

Funny how TCs & GCs live happily together as micro-minorities in western places like the US, UK, and Australia, but upon returning to God-forsaken Cyprus they all start acting like bloody Greek Tsoliades or Turkish Janissaries again!!!

Ever wonder why? Try this…

These western countries do not allow you to play ethnic games, but force you to abide by their rules and regulations where the country comes first so what choice do you have?

Perhaps if Cyprus was to adopt a similar ZERO tolerance to ethnic mambo-jambo and start throwing the trouble makers out, you’d all soon start concentrating on your jobs and families as you should, get on with life as CITIZENS, and forget about any “motherlands”!
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Postby alexISS » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:02 pm

Get Real! wrote:Funny how TCs & GCs live happily together as micro-minorities in western places like the US, UK, and Australia, but upon returning to God-forsaken Cyprus they all start acting like bloody Greek Tsoliades or Turkish Janissaries again!!!

Ever wonder why? Try this…

These western countries do not allow you to play ethnic games, but force you to abide by their rules and regulations where the country comes first so what choice do you have?

Perhaps if Cyprus was to adopt a similar ZERO tolerance to ethnic mambo-jambo and start throwing the trouble makers out, you’d all soon start concentrating on your jobs and families as you should, get on with life as CITIZENS, and forget about any “motherlands”!


Problem is, I don't think many TCs will adopt this new Cypriot national identity when you exclude them right from the start. If you don't, you're saying nothing more than what AKEL's been saying for ages
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Postby Oracle » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:10 pm

Get Real! wrote:Funny how TCs & GCs live happily together as micro-minorities in western places like the US, UK, and Australia, but upon returning to God-forsaken Cyprus they all start acting like bloody Greek Tsoliades or Turkish Janissaries again!!!

Ever wonder why? Try this…

These western countries do not allow you to play ethnic games, but force you to abide by their rules and regulations where the country comes first so what choice do you have?

Perhaps if Cyprus was to adopt a similar ZERO tolerance to ethnic mambo-jambo and start throwing the trouble makers out, you’d all soon start concentrating on your jobs and families as you should, get on with life as CITIZENS, and forget about any “motherlands”!


So how long did it take you to adapt to being a True Cypriot then GR! ....
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Postby DT. » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:11 pm

Get Real! wrote:Funny how TCs & GCs live happily together as micro-minorities in western places like the US, UK, and Australia, but upon returning to God-forsaken Cyprus they all start acting like bloody Greek Tsoliades or Turkish Janissaries again!!!

Ever wonder why? Try this…

These western countries do not allow you to play ethnic games, but force you to abide by their rules and regulations where the country comes first so what choice do you have?

Perhaps if Cyprus was to adopt a similar ZERO tolerance to ethnic mambo-jambo and start throwing the trouble makers out, you’d all soon start concentrating on your jobs and families as you should, get on with life as CITIZENS, and forget about any “motherlands”!


If all this happened you'd be one bored GR.
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Postby halil » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:14 pm

while i was reading some articles about Cyprus fieldwork .
i found some of the views were very interesting . here it is some of them .it will be interesting and questionable for ....


Some of the key communities in the Cyprus conflict are:
• Greek Cypriots (GCs),
o Cypriots who choose not to identify themselves as members of the Cypriot Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot communities;
• Turkish Cypriots (TCs),
o Cypriots who choose not to identify themselves as members of the Cypriot Cypriot or Greek Cypriot communities;
• Cypriot Cypriots (CCs),
o Cypriots who choose not to identify themselves as members of the Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot communities;
• Minority Cypriots (MCs),
o Cypriots who cannot be categorised as members of the Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot communities, but whom the 1960 constitution forced to choose between being aligned with the Greek Cypriot and being aligned with the Turkish Cypriot communities, including,
the Greek Cypriot allies,
 the Armenians (Armenian Orthodox Christians),
 Latins (European Catholic Christians) and
 Maronites (Lebanese Catholic Christians) and
the Turkish Cypriot allies,
 the Linobambakes (syncretic Christian-Muslims, encompassing Greek and Turkish speakers and Christian converts to Islam and Muslim converts to Christianity, whose ideologies and practices marry the two);
• Cypriot Workers (WCs),
o immigrants to Cyprus,
popularly categorised as
 "Sri Lankans",
 "Arabs", or
 "artistes" and
overwhelmingly, exploited, as they are employed or enslaved as,
 domestic workers,
 manual workers, or
 sex workers;
• Turkish Settlers (TSs),
o Turkish immigrants to Cyprus during and after 1963, who may have settled, amongst other things,
 as collaborators in the nationalist programme of ethnic cleansing and Turkification (as violators of other communities' human rights), but
who may also have settled,
 as part of accessing their human right to work or to freedom of movement, or
who may have settled,
 as vulnerable people trying to secure their human right to subsistence;
• Greek Settlers (GSs),
o Greek immigrants to Cyprus during and after 1963, who may have settled, amongst other things,
 as collaborators in the nationalist programme of ethnic cleansing and Hellenisation (as violators of other communities' human rights), but
who may also have settled,
 as part of accessing their human right to work or to freedom of movement, or
who may have settled,
 as vulnerable people trying to secure their human right to subsistence;
• International Settlers (ISs)
o non-Greek, non-Turkish international immigrants to Cyprus since 1974,
popularly characterised as
 old Britons,
 young Russians and
 middle-aged Germans
who may have settled, amongst other things,
 as part of accessing their human right to work or to freedom of movement, but who may also have settled
 as powerful people exploiting vulnerable people's insecurity or lack of access to their basic human rights; and
• International Visitors (IVs), including,
o Contract Ex-pats,
o Turkish Students,
o Greek Students and
o International Students.
I'll try to produce an incomprehensibly convoluted mind map to illustrate something of the mass of conflicts between human rights being negotiated by all Cypriots at all times in their daily lives.

As with the presentation of human rights and duties in conflict, the categorisation of communities is a simplification performed in order to reveal the Cypriot community's very complexities.

Individuals, groups and communities all have multiple identities, situationally chosen or ascribed and each might (rightly) contest their or others' categorisation(s). There may be individuals who are categorised by others as "pure Greek Cypriot" or "pure Turkish Cypriot", but who choose to identify themselves as "mixed" or "Cypriot Cypriot".

There may be other individuals who are categorised as "mixed" or "Cypriot Cypriot", but who choose to identify themselves as "pure Greek Cypriot" or "pure Turkish Cypriot".

There may be still other individuals who define themselves as "Cypriot Cypriot", "Linobambakis" or otherwise, who are denied that identity by others, categorised as "Greek Cypriot", "Turkish Cypriot" or such like.

As I currently understand it, [in terms of identifying community groups] one of the most troublesome aspects of the Cyprus Problem is the aggregation of different communities and the silencing and disempowering of the minority communities alternately assimilated and excluded.

So, these are some of the threads of conflicts between communities and conflicts between those communities' human rights that I have picked up and followed in my fieldwork in Cyprus so far; hopefully, I will begin to weave them together soon, or at least untangle them more.
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:17 pm

Get Real! wrote:Funny how TCs & GCs live happily together as micro-minorities in western places like the US, UK, and Australia, but upon returning to God-forsaken Cyprus they all start acting like bloody Greek Tsoliades or Turkish Janissaries again!!!

Ever wonder why? Try this…

These western countries do not allow you to play ethnic games, but force you to abide by their rules and regulations where the country comes first so what choice do you have?

Perhaps if Cyprus was to adopt a similar ZERO tolerance to ethnic mambo-jambo and start throwing the trouble makers out, you’d all soon start concentrating on your jobs and families as you should, get on with life as CITIZENS, and forget about any “motherlands”!


I do not no what the hell you are talking about as you do not make much sense. Firstly, Australia was a very racist country in the 70s and 80s. Assimilation seemed to be the catch phrase. Whilst racism is still evident but in a much lesser extent, it suddenly became acceptable by most to harness the virtues and colour of a multicultural society. There are many advantages in this. For example, Australian society is very cosmopolitan and you can walk down the street and walk past an Italian, Greek, Chinese, Thai, Turkish and Indian restaurant all within 1 block. Australians are able to enjoy a variety of culture, cuisine, and music. It makes for a very interesting and colourful society.

Basically, migrant Australians feel very proud of their adopted country Australia. But they are also very well attached to their roots and history. Greeks and Turks in Australia are particularly proud of their heritage. And if they were not, then their second and third generations would not have been able to maintain their identity (ethnos), language and culture. The Australia of today accepts this and has become a melting pot of dozens of cultures and the country benefits from what is offered. The Australians love it unless of course if you are a redneck.

If Cyprus adopts a zero tolerance to ethnic mambo jumbo as you call it, then Cyprus would time warp itself back to the 50s. The key here should be to allow people to celebrate their ethnos (Greek and Turkish) if they wish, and for Cypriots to embrace it. Apart from celebrating ones culture (Greek and Turkish), all Cypriots must also be Cypriots first and foremost in order to build their country which is Cyprus.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:18 pm

The only ones denying the existence of other minorities on Cyprus are the TCs ... who think they are the only minority and hence due some special attention, above and beyond the normal Human Rights everybody else currently enjoys on Cyprus.
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Postby michalis5354 » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:35 pm

Paphitis wrote:No problem if Cypriotism rises and bonds all Cypriots together. What we must also remember however is that most Cypriots also have cultural bonds. These bonds either connect us all with either Greek and Turkish and it is up to the individual if they wish to celebrate this culture. These cultural links are due to language, cuisine, religion and psyche etc etc. Cypriots should feel proud of Cypriotism but we must also embrace each culture (Greek and Turkish) and be tolerant of it. A Cyprus solution depends on it.


When I m refering to other cultures I dont inlcude only the Greek and turkish but also other cultures that have contributed to Cyprus on the state that it is at the moment not only the Greek and Turkish cultures. The problem I see is to impóse the Greek culture to the rest . This shows disrespect to the other cultures that have been living on the island. This is my point. This is the reason I describe the Cyprus culture as a mixed culture in my previous post.

The church and the educational system has failed to embrace this mixed culture and have tried to impose the Greek culture to the rest . here it is the problem It is not a Greek teritory and this is where we go wrong. What culture to you have in Autsralia is it Chinese or English?
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Postby Eric dayi » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:45 pm

Oracle wrote:The only ones denying the existence of other minorities on Cyprus are the TCs ... who think they are the only minority and hence due some special attention, above and beyond the normal Human Rights everybody else currently enjoys on Cyprus.


As per usual you are again talking out of what you should be sitting on.

The fact remains that we TCs were in line of GC/Greek fire because we refused to let you have your ENOSIS and turn us TCs in to Muslim Greeks thus eliminating anything Turkish in Cyprus.

It is also a fact that this "Cypriot only" mumbo jumbo is another attempt at genociding us TCs by trying to force us to forget our Turkishness thus paving the way for you Greeks/GCs to eliminate any memories of Turkishness.

What you could not achieve by armed force you are now trying to achieve with the "we are all Cypriots" crap.


Dream on baby.
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