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[Viewpoint]

Yeah it might be dominant on your side, but in the TRNC it means shit to me.

Hence why you can keep your "democracy" to yourself.

Thats what many others said, but we have been here for 1000s of years, and we are the ones who will be here in 1000 years from now. For you I doubt.

In fact there will be no such thing as "Turkish Cypriots" soon, just Turkish Settlers, and it will be only a matter of time for them to be forced out of our island just like it happened to the many other arrogant invadors before them.

Without a proper solution we will take our chances with the TRNC and Turkey, this is far better than being forced into a minority status in our own country ruled by GCs.

[Piratis]

Yeah it might be dominant on your side, but in the TRNC it means shit to me.

Hence why you can keep your "democracy" to yourself.

Thats what many others said, but we have been here for 1000s of years, and we are the ones who will be here in 1000 years from now. For you I doubt.

In fact there will be no such thing as "Turkish Cypriots" soon, just Turkish Settlers, and it will be only a matter of time for them to be forced out of our island just like it happened to the many other arrogant invadors before them.

Without a proper solution we will take our chances with the TRNC and Turkey, this is far better than being forced into a minority status in our own country ruled by GCs.

Yes, we know your choice is war in order to take land and power on our loss. If you want war, you have war. Just remember your choice.

[Get Real!]

GR, from an ethnic point of view we are as Greek as it gets. Our language is Greek and our culture is a version of the Greek culture. Thats a fact and that it is how it has been for 1000s of years. As I said before the Greek culture is the culture with the longest by far history in Cyprus.

From a DNA point of view we are as mixed as everybody else is. So saying that our ancestors are those that existed in Cyprus before the Greeks came is ridiculous. We are the mix of them and many others. If thats not the case then what happened to the Greeks in Cyprus? They came, they didn't mix with anybody, and then they went extinct? Even if you were going to make this absurd claim, there are historical records that would prove you wrong.

Piratis, it seems to me that the ones with the biggest stick get to write history on this planet and unfortunately for the very few and weak Cypriots they did not receive justice as some experts seem to agree… (see image below courtesy of Kefenes)

In the past, human beings had the very bad habit of honoring those that killed and ransacked the most hence… Attila the Hun, Alexander the “great”, Genghis Khan, and many other murderers have been immortalized, but in this day and age all the above would’ve most likely faced the electric chair, gas chamber, or life imprisonment!

[umit07]

GR I will ask you to think a little ahead. Do you really think that you will be able to get Turkey off the island with military force? I don't think so.

Thats not how things work.

How do you think Greek territories and other Greek islands were liberated? How do you think a country like Latvia with 30% Russian population is now independent from the nuclear super power?

Things are not as straightforward as you think.

Turkey is a torn nation. Divided between secular Turks and islamist Turks, but also between Turks and Kurds. Also Turkey doesn't have any real friends, just those that ally with her because it currently suits them.

So don't be so confident just by judging based on what is happening now. Things can change dramatically.

So very true Piratis, things can change dramatically, what makes you think they will always change in your favour? Ever thought about that?

[Viewpoint]

Yeah it might be dominant on your side, but in the TRNC it means shit to me.

Hence why you can keep your "democracy" to yourself.

Thats what many others said, but we have been here for 1000s of years, and we are the ones who will be here in 1000 years from now. For you I doubt.

In fact there will be no such thing as "Turkish Cypriots" soon, just Turkish Settlers, and it will be only a matter of time for them to be forced out of our island just like it happened to the many other arrogant invadors before them.

Without a proper solution we will take our chances with the TRNC and Turkey, this is far better than being forced into a minority status in our own country ruled by GCs.

Yes, we know your choice is war in order to take land and power on our loss. If you want war, you have war. Just remember your choice.

We will never attack only defend ourselves as in 1974, any danger to our community and we will fight with as much verocity as we can, that you can be certain of.

[Get Real!]

GR I will ask you to think a little ahead. Do you really think that you will be able to get Turkey off the island with military force? I don't think so.

Do you see Turkey as the only threat to Cyprus? Let's say the Cyprus Problem was solved, Turkey pasked up and left. Do you think that Cyprus will be safe in the event of another world war? Whatever happens Cyprus is obliged to have good relations with Turkey, that is a fact.

I never really intended this thread to head in the direction of military confrontations so would you like to start one using your post? I promise to contribute if you do ok?

The reason I posted this is that you started the thread with a statement that Cyprus needs a military allies. I opinion is that if the Cyprus Prob. is ever solved Cyprus will bcome a member of NATO, thus making Turkey it's closest and most important military ally.

I suspect that your beliefs stem from one or more of the following false assumptions:

1. Turkey is invincible.
2. The RoC is militarily hopeless.
3. Current military alliances are forever.
4. Military predictions are solely based on head count.

[shahmaran]

Yeah it might be dominant on your side, but in the TRNC it means shit to me.

Hence why you can keep your "democracy" to yourself.

Thats what many others said, but we have been here for 1000s of years, and we are the ones who will be here in 1000 years from now. For you I doubt.

In fact there will be no such thing as "Turkish Cypriots" soon, just Turkish Settlers, and it will be only a matter of time for them to be forced out of our island just like it happened to the many other arrogant invadors before them.

Without a proper solution we will take our chances with the TRNC and Turkey, this is far better than being forced into a minority status in our own country ruled by GCs.

Yes, we know your choice is war in order to take land and power on our loss. If you want war, you have war. Just remember your choice.

The most you can do is throw stones at us from the other side Piratis, dont kid yourself.

[Piratis]

You are already attacking by keeping 1/3rd of our land under illegal occupation. Cyprus, like every other country, has every right to protect its own borders from foreign invadors.

So very true Piratis, things can change dramatically, what makes you think they will always change in your favour? Ever thought about that?

Because it can not get more in your favor than it currently is. Turkey is still united and it has the backing of the USA. These are things that can change.

[Get Real!]

The most you can do is throw stones at us from the other side Piratis, dont kid yourself.

Why do you say that?

[umit07]

1. No GR, I do NOT think that Turkey is invincible but I do think that there isn't an army in the world that can beat them on their own soil.

2. No GR the RoC is not militarily hopeless, but what can you expect from such a small country?

3. No military alliances are NOT forever but Turkey will be only about 70 km from Cyprus forever.

4. Military predictions are NOT all about head count but if you want to actually control the ground instead of nuking it, head count is very very important.

So instead of making assumptions of what's going around in my head why don't you reply to your view on th subject.