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[Murataga]

So whats the essence of your blah blah Murataga? That the Cypriot people are still slaves of the Ottomans and the British and they are not allowed to democratically take decisions for their own island?

No decision ever taken was against the human or minority rights of any Cypriot citizen. The Cypriot people simply took decisions in a perfectly democratic way as it happens in all other countries.

The Turkish minority however did not accept the democratic right of Cypriots and they started an armed conflict against us (again).

Sorry to be the one breaking this out to you but you are not completely free to do whatever you like. That is not democracy, that is tyranny and Constitutions exist specifically to prevent this. You have destroyed the Constitution of the RoC to eliminate our status described therein and refused our participation in the Government unless we put our signature under those illegal changes. I just gave you a detailed description of when, how and by whom. You could not "democratically" wish to do what you have done.

The UN reports say many things, not just the ones you selectively choose, including things like the following from report S/6426, which proves your claims that TCs wanted to come back to the goverment as false. The TCs left from the goverment in order to pursue the aim they had since the 50s for the partition of our island, and they had no desire to change their minds.

106.The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to
rigid stand against any measures which might involve having
members of the two communities live and work together, or which
might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have
to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since
the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and
geographical separation of the communities as a political goal,
it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots
which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an
alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate
policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots. The
Government contends that the hardships suffered by the Turkish
Cypriot population are the direct result of the leadership's
self-isolation policy, imposed by force on the rank and file. The
Turkish Cypriots assert that these hardships are designed by the
Government to pressure the Turkish community into submission and
to destroy politically and that Turkish Cypriots are at one in
their determination to resist.

The conclusion of all these reports is in the UN resolutions, and none of them them finds Republic of Cyprus as guilty of anything. On the contrary many UN resolution condemn the Turkish and TCs illegal and criminal actions.

Either you like it or not Republic of Cyprus is 100% legal, and the one and only state in Cyprus. No selective propaganda from your part will change this fact.

Your quote proves nothing because it is simply a comment where as the one I provided is specific and detailed dates, names, incidents, demands and responses of how we were prevented from participating in the RoC. Sadly, all you can come up with is to say that because the world chose to look the other way, everything is fine. The world was fine about slavery for centuries and recognizing the coupist government as the legal one in Greece when it was strategically beneficial to do so. Your recognition as the owner of something that you stole from the righteous owner is nothing different than these.

[Get Real!]

Your quote proves nothing because it is simply a comment where as the one I provided is specific and detailed dates, names, incidents, demands and responses of how we were prevented from participating in the RoC. Sadly, all you can come up with is to say that because the world chose to look the other way, everything is fine. The world was fine about slavery for centuries and recognizing the coupist government as the legal one in Greece when it was strategically beneficial to do so. Your recognition as the owner of something that you stole from the righteous owner is nothing different than these.

“Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.”

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/53.htm

[Big Al]

Your quote proves nothing because it is simply a comment where as the one I provided is specific and detailed dates, names, incidents, demands and responses of how we were prevented from participating in the RoC. Sadly, all you can come up with is to say that because the world chose to look the other way, everything is fine. The world was fine about slavery for centuries and recognizing the coupist government as the legal one in Greece when it was strategically beneficial to do so. Your recognition as the owner of something that you stole from the righteous owner is nothing different than these.

“Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.”

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/53.htm

GR, why dont we unite Cyprus and put you has president, with Oracle as prime minister. how long will the TC last i wonder

[Get Real!]

So when did the intercommunal fighting begin?

The constitution failed to allay the suspicion and distrust that had increasingly divided the two communities, especially since the eruption of intercommunal violence in 1958.

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/53.htm

Turkish Cypriot veto power in action...

Turkish Cypriot representatives had exercised this veto power with respect to income tax legislation, seriously limiting government revenues.

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/53.htm

So who forced Turkish Cypriots into enclaves?

When the worst of the fighting was over, Turkish Cypriots--sometimes of their own volition and at other times forced by the TMT--began moving from isolated rural areas and mixed villages into enclaves.

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/13.htm

Oh dear...

[Murataga]

Your quote proves nothing because it is simply a comment where as the one I provided is specific and detailed dates, names, incidents, demands and responses of how we were prevented from participating in the RoC. Sadly, all you can come up with is to say that because the world chose to look the other way, everything is fine. The world was fine about slavery for centuries and recognizing the coupist government as the legal one in Greece when it was strategically beneficial to do so. Your recognition as the owner of something that you stole from the righteous owner is nothing different than these.

“Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.”

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/53.htm

According to which reference from the bibliography? Maybe this one ?...

Cyprus: The Tragedy and the Challenge. Washington: American Hellenic Institute, 1975

Should you on the other hand wish to read a detailed description of what really happened from U.N. documents which I have recently posted:

Secondly, umit07 is right to point out that it is because of the GC insistence to refuse to uphold the original provisions of the constitution that the TCs were unable to return to their posts. For example, the negotiations on the possible re-employment of TC civil servants in Nicosia and their subsequent financial compensation ended in deadlock, because it was considered by GC officials ‘to be a highly political matter linked closely with the final settlement of the Cyprus question’ (see UN Doc. S/5950 Para.106) Furthermore, GC officials rejected the demands of TC MP’s to return to the House of Representatives. The TC members asked from the UNFICYP to enable them to receive information and arrange the necessary facilities to attend meetings of the House in safety. It was also emphasized by the TC members that in case of an official invitation and notification on matters to be considered at the House, they would be ready to attend the sessions. The special representative of the UN brought this demand to the President of the House at that time, namely to Clerides. The GC reply was a conditional acceptance for the demand of the TC members to attend the sessions. According to Clerides, for the attendance of the TC members, agreements were needed in advance on certain points. There were two crucial conditions. First of all, it was demanded that TC members accept the laws enacted by the House and their application to Turkish areas by the ‘Government’ (essentially GC officials). Nevertheless, most of these laws were enacted in the absence of the TC members and contrary to the provisions of the 1960 Constitution. Secondly, Clerides claimed, ‘unless agreement was reached the provision in Article 78 of the Constitution concerning separate majorities had been abolished and every member of the House would have one vote for all decisions’. Consequently Clerides declared that it would be meaningless to provide copies of the pending bills to the TC members, if they reject the conditions set by him. On 22 July 1965, the TC members visited Clerides, but he upheld his position and declared that unless agreement was reached on these matters, he would not permit the TC members to attend the House and they had no legal standing any more in the House. Furthermore, he claimed that the constitutional provisions on the promulgation of laws by the President and Vice-President were no longer applicable. These events are well-documented UN Doc. S/6569, Paras. 7, 8/b-d and 9. It is also dramatically important to underline that not only the TCs refused to accept these unconstitutional bills passed in their absence but in fact they could NOT accept them, as neither could their GC partners, because Article 182 provides that the basic articles of this Constitution, which were incorporated from the Zurich Agreement ‘cannot, in any way, be amended, whether by way of variation, addition or repeal’.

[Get Real!]

Your quote proves nothing because it is simply a comment where as the one I provided is specific and detailed dates, names, incidents, demands and responses of how we were prevented from participating in the RoC. Sadly, all you can come up with is to say that because the world chose to look the other way, everything is fine. The world was fine about slavery for centuries and recognizing the coupist government as the legal one in Greece when it was strategically beneficial to do so. Your recognition as the owner of something that you stole from the righteous owner is nothing different than these.

“Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.”

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/53.htm

GR, why dont we unite Cyprus and put you has president, with Oracle as prime minister. how long will the TC last i wonder

Should I assume by this that you are unhappy that I've provided a credible source that proves Murataga's misinformation?

Given that I'm the kind of person who likes to get to the bottom of things by tirelessly searching for credible evidence in each and every aspect, I can confidently state that Cyprus would be VERY lucky to have someone like me running it.

[Get Real!]

According to which reference from the bibliography? Maybe this one ?...

Cyprus: The Tragedy and the Challenge. Washington: American Hellenic Institute, 1975

Source: U.S. Library of Congress

Instead of assuming try reading the link.

As for your piece... IF and WHEN you present it in a LEGIBLE manner I'll be happy to read and evaluate it thank you.

[Murataga]

According to which reference from the bibliography? Maybe this one ?...

Cyprus: The Tragedy and the Challenge. Washington: American Hellenic Institute, 1975

Source: U.S. Library of Congress

Instead of assuming try reading the link.

As for your piece... IF and WHEN you present it in a LEGIBLE manner I'll be happy to read and evaluate it thank you.

No, the source is not the U.S. Library of Congress, the specific document edited by particular author using unclear referncing system is the source. The U.S. Library of Congress website just happens to have chosen to use it. The source contains no specific info on the references it uses from the bibliography, which may well be pointing to that of the American Hellenic Institute for your quote, not to mention that it clearly contradicts the desription of the U.N. documents.

[Murataga]

Your quote proves nothing because it is simply a comment where as the one I provided is specific and detailed dates, names, incidents, demands and responses of how we were prevented from participating in the RoC. Sadly, all you can come up with is to say that because the world chose to look the other way, everything is fine. The world was fine about slavery for centuries and recognizing the coupist government as the legal one in Greece when it was strategically beneficial to do so. Your recognition as the owner of something that you stole from the righteous owner is nothing different than these.

“Beginning in late 1963, Turkish Cypriots withdrew from the government, and by 1965 the Greek Cypriots were in full charge.”

http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/53.htm

GR, why dont we unite Cyprus and put you has president, with Oracle as prime minister. how long will the TC last i wonder

Should I assume by this that you are unhappy that I've provided a credible source that proves Murataga's misinformation?

Given that I'm the kind of person who likes to get to the bottom of things by tirelessly searching for credible evidence in each and every aspect, I can confidently state that Cyprus would be VERY lucky to have someone like me running it.

What misinformation are you talking about? Have you not read that all that I have written is from the U.N. documents? And what is your alternative to this not mention the question why you need to find one? The website of a policy making intitution of a foreign government with reference to documents that include the American Hellenic Institute?

[Get Real!]

According to which reference from the bibliography? Maybe this one ?...

Cyprus: The Tragedy and the Challenge. Washington: American Hellenic Institute, 1975

Source: U.S. Library of Congress

Instead of assuming try reading the link.

As for your piece... IF and WHEN you present it in a LEGIBLE manner I'll be happy to read and evaluate it thank you.

No, the source is not the U.S. Library of Congress, the specific document edited by particular author using unclear referncing system is the source. The U.S. Library of Congress website just happens to have chosen to use it. The source contains no specific info on the references it uses from the bibliography, which may well be pointing to that of the American Hellenic Institute for your quote, not to mention that it clearly contradicts the desription of the U.N. documents.

Here’s the DIRECT link from the “Library of Congress Country Studies”… it’s exactly the same in content.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... CID+cy0115)

Your comment above, which I highlighted, is so immature it's not funny!