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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:18 pm

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Get Real! wrote:Funny how TCs & GCs live happily together as micro-minorities in western places like the US, UK, and Australia, but upon returning to God-forsaken Cyprus they all start acting like bloody Greek Tsoliades or Turkish Janissaries again!!!

Ever wonder why? Try this…

These western countries do not allow you to play ethnic games, but force you to abide by their rules and regulations where the country comes first so what choice do you have?

Perhaps if Cyprus was to adopt a similar ZERO tolerance to ethnic mambo-jambo and start throwing the trouble makers out, you’d all soon start concentrating on your jobs and families as you should, get on with life as CITIZENS, and forget about any “motherlands”!


I do not no what the hell you are talking about as you do not make much sense. Firstly, Australia was a very racist country in the 70s and 80s. Assimilation seemed to be the catch phrase. Whilst racism is still evident but in a much lesser extent, it suddenly became acceptable by most to harness the virtues and colour of a multicultural society. There are many advantages in this. For example, Australian society is very cosmopolitan and you can walk down the street and walk past an Italian, Greek, Chinese, Thai, Turkish and Indian restaurant all within 1 block. Australians are able to enjoy a variety of culture, cuisine, and music. It makes for a very interesting and colourful society.

Basically, migrant Australians feel very proud of their adopted country Australia. But they are also very well attached to their roots and history. Greeks and Turks in Australia are particularly proud of their heritage. And if they were not, then their second and third generations would not have been able to maintain their identity (ethnos), language and culture. The Australia of today accepts this and has become a melting pot of dozens of cultures and the country benefits from what is offered. The Australians love it unless of course if you are a redneck.

If Cyprus adopts a zero tolerance to ethnic mambo jumbo as you call it, then Cyprus would time warp itself back to the 50s. The key here should be to allow people to celebrate their ethnos (Greek and Turkish) if they wish, and for Cypriots to embrace it. Apart from celebrating ones culture (Greek and Turkish), all Cypriots must also be Cypriots first and foremost in order to build their country which is Cyprus.

But, do you honestly think that Australia would tolerate you forming an ethnic political movement in their country? You’d be branded a terrorist, arrested, and sent to the NT where they keep all their undesirables for years without a trial.


Even the gay community has it's own political movements. It is the "Land of The Young and Free". And this means people can express themselves any way they like.
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:19 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:Funny how TCs & GCs live happily together as micro-minorities in western places like the US, UK, and Australia, but upon returning to God-forsaken Cyprus they all start acting like bloody Greek Tsoliades or Turkish Janissaries again!!!

Ever wonder why? Try this…

These western countries do not allow you to play ethnic games, but force you to abide by their rules and regulations where the country comes first so what choice do you have?

Perhaps if Cyprus was to adopt a similar ZERO tolerance to ethnic mambo-jambo and start throwing the trouble makers out, you’d all soon start concentrating on your jobs and families as you should, get on with life as CITIZENS, and forget about any “motherlands”!


I do not no what the hell you are talking about as you do not make much sense. Firstly, Australia was a very racist country in the 70s and 80s. Assimilation seemed to be the catch phrase. Whilst racism is still evident but in a much lesser extent, it suddenly became acceptable by most to harness the virtues and colour of a multicultural society. There are many advantages in this. For example, Australian society is very cosmopolitan and you can walk down the street and walk past an Italian, Greek, Chinese, Thai, Turkish and Indian restaurant all within 1 block. Australians are able to enjoy a variety of culture, cuisine, and music. It makes for a very interesting and colourful society.

Basically, migrant Australians feel very proud of their adopted country Australia. But they are also very well attached to their roots and history. Greeks and Turks in Australia are particularly proud of their heritage. And if they were not, then their second and third generations would not have been able to maintain their identity (ethnos), language and culture. The Australia of today accepts this and has become a melting pot of dozens of cultures and the country benefits from what is offered. The Australians love it unless of course if you are a redneck.

If Cyprus adopts a zero tolerance to ethnic mambo jumbo as you call it, then Cyprus would time warp itself back to the 50s. The key here should be to allow people to celebrate their ethnos (Greek and Turkish) if they wish, and for Cypriots to embrace it. Apart from celebrating ones culture (Greek and Turkish), all Cypriots must also be Cypriots first and foremost in order to build their country which is Cyprus.

But, do you honestly think that Australia would tolerate you forming an ethnic political movement in their country? You’d be branded a terrorist, arrested, and sent to the NT where they keep all their undesirables for years without a trial.


And we do not send people to the NT and detain them for years without a trial. Where the hell are you getting this from?
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:27 pm

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Get Real! wrote:But, do you honestly think that Australia would tolerate you forming an ethnic political movement in their country? You’d be branded a terrorist, arrested, and sent to the NT where they keep all their undesirables for years without a trial.


GR, In Australia we have many Ethnic Political Movements. There are even many Cypriot political movements. SEKA and PASEKA are 2 examples. There are even Turkish Cypriot and Turkish political movements.

Also, Australia has an extremely very strong constitution and democracy and allows ethnic political movements and lobbies. There are also countless ethnic associations. What Australia has managed to do is to achieve tolerance.

You should come and have a look for your self.

:roll: I lived in Australia for 15 years. You give them too much credit because they do all their dirty work behind closed doors much like the US; Australia has her own version of Guantánamo up north.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:30 pm

Paphitis wrote:And we do not send people to the NT and detain them for years without a trial. Where the hell are you getting this from?


http://www.usp.com.au/fpss/prison-austr ... ntion.html

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Child_relea ... ion_centre

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chinese_hun ... ion_centre
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:40 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:But, do you honestly think that Australia would tolerate you forming an ethnic political movement in their country? You’d be branded a terrorist, arrested, and sent to the NT where they keep all their undesirables for years without a trial.


GR, In Australia we have many Ethnic Political Movements. There are even many Cypriot political movements. SEKA and PASEKA are 2 examples. There are even Turkish Cypriot and Turkish political movements.

Also, Australia has an extremely very strong constitution and democracy and allows ethnic political movements and lobbies. There are also countless ethnic associations. What Australia has managed to do is to achieve tolerance.

You should come and have a look for your self.

:roll: I lived in Australia for 15 years. You give them too much credit because they do all their dirty work behind closed doors much like the US; Australia has her own version of Guantánamo up north.


If you lived in Australia it must have been a long time ago because you are out of touch.

There is no detention centre up north. I think you are referring to the Baxter Detention Centre which is located down south in a place called Port Augusta. There is also a small detention centre in Port Hedland but I think that has closed down. The only persons detained in these detention centers are illegal immigrants. Illegal immigration was a massive problem only 5 years ago as we had boatloads of them coming to Australia from mainly Indonesia. Australia has managed to eradicate the problem by employing radar equiped Customs Service airctraft and utilizing satellite surveillance systems so advance that they could read vehicle number plates on the ground. There were thousands of illegal immigrants locked up in these centres only 5 or so years ago but now there are only a few hundred awaiting trial or deportation.

Terror suspects when arrested, such as the Al Qaeda terrorist cell that was arrested in Melbourne is detained in State Criminal Prisons with no bail. Their trials are currently underway. And before you say that Australia is intolerant, those terror suspects were arrested as they were planning to bomb the Rialto Towers in Melbourne and had bomb making material in their houses. There phones had also been tapped for months and Australian ASIO agents were tipped off by other foreign intelligence services.

Australia has to maintain due diligence as it is a terrorist target as the nation still has troops in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:44 pm

I give up with you Paphiti... go back to your loukoumia! :?
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:47 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:And we do not send people to the NT and detain them for years without a trial. Where the hell are you getting this from?


http://www.usp.com.au/fpss/prison-austr ... ntion.html

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Child_relea ... ion_centre

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chinese_hun ... ion_centre


Not very good sources there GR. Australian prisons and detention centres are probably some of the best in the world.

And what do you expect Australia to do? Just let the illegal immigrants go free. They will just be fugitives in Australian society and be exploited. If they want to come to Australia, they can come by legal means and not pay some people smuggler 10,000USD to be smuggled in from Indonesia.

Australia takes border security very seriously, unlike some other countries. Why does Cyprus not let it's illegal immigrants out from Prison?
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:49 pm

Get Real! wrote:I give up with you Paphiti... go back to your loukoumia! :?


You just wait until Boomers reads this. Boy are you in trouble.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:50 pm

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Get Real! wrote:I give up with you Paphiti... go back to your loukoumia! :?

You just wait until Boomers reads this. Boy are you in trouble.

Ha! Boomers is my mate... :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:52 pm

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Get Real! wrote:I give up with you Paphiti... go back to your loukoumia! :?

You just wait until Boomers reads this. Boy are you in trouble.

Ha! Boomers is my mate... :lol:


Not now after you bagged his country. :lol:
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