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Postby shahmaran » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:00 pm

Greeks had 600 years of Ottoman, so does that mean if you "remove" Greek culture from the GC's, they will be left with only Ottoman?

But of course you are the wrong person to ask this since you sincerely believe that Turks are pretty much "cultureless".
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Postby alexISS » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:04 pm

shahmaran wrote:Greeks had 600 years of Ottoman, so does that mean if you "remove" Greek culture from the GC's, they will be left with only Ottoman?

Actually, yes I do. If you strip us from the Greek culture what will be left is Ottoman, Slavic and, of course, western cultural elements

shahmaran wrote:But of course you are the wrong person to ask this since you sincerely believe that Turks are pretty much "cultureless".

That proves that that long debate we had some time ago was in vain, I never said that because I believe the exact opposite
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Postby Piratis » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:16 pm

shahmaran wrote:You cannot bisect the culture of the Cypriot people that bluntly, dont let the current division fool you into thinking so, because Cyprus is made up of a fusion of cultures and you cannot simply "strip" a certain aspect of it. It is a cumulation of cultures that blend together over a long period of time.

In other words your question is wrong.


Today almost every place is made of a fusion of cultures. However the Greek culture is the dominant one in Cyprus, both in terms of the amount of time that it affected our island, and in terms of the amount of Cypriots who are Greek.

Get Real, If you study about the very first pre-historic settlements of Cyprus you will see that 1) they were extremely small and 2) that most of them didn't manage to have a continues presence on the island and they were extinct. Here is about Chirokitia for example:

The population of the village at any one time is thought not to have exceeded 300 to 600 inhabitants.


The village of Choirokoitia was suddenly abandoned for reasons unknown at around 6000 BC and it seems that the island remained uninhabited for about 1.500 years until the next recorded entity, the Sotira group.


So while there are settlements in Cyprus that go back many thousands years ago, those people are not us, since those people have gone extinct.

Greeks were among the first to come to Cyprus and they settled on uninhabited land since most of the island back then was uninhabited. The Greek culture has survived on Cyprus for 3500 years, which makes it the culture with the longest existence on Cyprus.

There are really very few places in the whole world were people speak today a modified, albeit the same, language for thousands of years.

I disagree with those who want to create some artificial Cypriot history so that those TCs who hate everything Greek can accept it. The TCs should just learn to respect Cyprus for what it really is.
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:43 pm

Yeah it might be dominant on your side, but in the TRNC it means shit to me.

Hence why you can keep your "democracy" to yourself.
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:47 pm

shahmaran wrote:Yeah it might be dominant on your side, but in the TRNC it means shit to me.

Hence why you can keep your "democracy" to yourself.


I am sure that in this day and age both communities can accept and celebrate both dominant cultures (Greek and Turkish) and enjoy what each has to offer.
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:52 pm

Paphitis wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Yeah it might be dominant on your side, but in the TRNC it means shit to me.

Hence why you can keep your "democracy" to yourself.


I am sure that in this day and age both communities can accept and celebrate both dominant cultures (Greek and Turkish) and enjoy what each has to offer.


Yeah in theory, but we still have people like Piratis who is willing to avenge his ancestors from 500 years ago and finish what they started :roll:
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:52 pm

Paphitis wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Yeah it might be dominant on your side, but in the TRNC it means shit to me.

Hence why you can keep your "democracy" to yourself.


I am sure that in this day and age both communities can accept and celebrate both dominant cultures (Greek and Turkish) and enjoy what each has to offer.



With atttiudes such as Piratis who fell short of saying Cyprus is a Greek island we will never unite and the current status quo will continue for a good many more years to come.
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:54 pm

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Postby michalis5354 » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:56 pm

I agree with GR here that Cyprus has its own mixed culture . Many greeks who come to study or ELDYK never associate with local Cypriots as there is a difference in lifestyle and attitudes. At least this is how I see it.

Culture is a combination of things . language ,traditions, lifestyle, attitude , history etc . So anyone can say that the Cyprus culture has developed as a separate culture on its own. And again this has nothing to do with cyprus problem it is a fact.

Culture (from the Latin cultura stemming from colere, meaning "to cultivate,")[1] generally refers to patterns of human activity and the symbolic structures that give such activities significance and importance. Cultures can be "understood as systems of symbols and meanings that even their creators contest, that lack fixed boundaries, that are constantly in flux, and that interact and compete with one another"[2] Different definitions of "culture" reflect different theoretical bases for understanding, or criteria for evaluating, human activity.

Culture is manifested in music, literature, lifestyle, painting and sculpture, theater and film and similar things.[3] Although some people identify culture in terms of consumption and consumer goods (as in high culture, low culture, folk culture, or popular culture),[4] anthropologists understand "culture" to refer not only to consumption goods, but to the general processes which produce such goods and give them meaning, and to the social relationships and practices in which such objects and processes become embedded. For them, culture thus includes art, science, as well as moral systems.
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Postby michalis5354 » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:59 pm

The Minister of Interior (forgot his name Skaliotis???)he looks more Kurdish to me than Cypriot . He is more dark and no one can say that he looks Greek. this is what i refer as a mixed culture.
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