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[observer]

Somewhere way back in this thread we have the old GC tale that "we were forced to sign the 1960 Constitution".

No one forced Makarios to sign it. If he had not signed it then everyone would have woken up on August 17th with Cyprus still a British colony and EOKA going back to trying to make it a Greek colony by force. Instead, Makarios signed in bad faith, as events afterwards showed through documents, actions and word, with the agreement being just one step on the road to enosis.

[Eric dayi]

Somewhere way back in this thread we have the old GC tale that "we were forced to sign the 1960 Constitution".

If I remember rightly it was "oracle" (or phoenix or what ever she decides to call herself) but only because she read some other GCs claiming the same lie.

No one forced Makarios to sign it. If he had not signed it then everyone would have woken up on August 17th with Cyprus still a British colony and EOKA going back to trying to make it a Greek colony by force.
Instead, Makarios signed in bad faith, as events afterwards showed through documents, actions and word, with the agreement being just one step on the road to enosis.

And the rest is history as they say with the Greeks/GCs still trying to lie and change facts.

[DT.]

Demetris Christofias was the first RoC President who admitted publicly that both communities are to be blamed for the tragic events of December 1963. Until then it was solely believed that in 1963 the Turkish Cypriots performed a mutiny against the Cyprus Republic and that the Greek Cypriots simply fought back to preserve the unity of the island.

In today's "Politis" newspaper a former EOKA member and now a retired teacher sheds more light on the events. He recalls that in November 1963, officers of ELDYK and the Cypriot army, recruited all 120 male students of the Cyprus Teachers' Academy (bar one who was thought to be leftist) and were told that they would be trained in the use of arms because on December 25 there will follow an attack on the Turkish Cypriots that would result in the annihilation of all the Turkish Cypriots so that enosis would be declared. "Not even one Turkish cat will remain alive" they were told.

The above are written by Christos M. Savva, from Lysi.

I think we are missing something here as TCs...We must thank Bananiot Christos M. Savva for speaking the truth and exposing those on this forum that are just here to hide the truth. If people reading this forum cannot see Tpaps people working against a fair and just solution then they are as blind as the ones here that think that we cannot see what they are doing.

I don't see you thanking Bir and Kiks for exposing the truths a denktash man like yourself is constantly trying to hide.

[Nikitas]

"Since when is ENOSIS spelled as INDEPENDENCE?"

Since November 1983, you showed everyone the way with the TRNC, which turned Enosis with Turkey into independence.

[Nikitas]

"steel our coffee,kebab and baklava"

All of them being Arab inventions, so why are you moaning?

[Nikitas]

"Anyone who dared to step a foot outside of the enclaves disappeared never to be seen again."

This is bullshit!

TCs were free to enter GC controlled areas and work there from 1968 onwards. Many were emplyed in our area and by my relatives in Famagusta.

The GCs were never allowed into TC areas from 1963 onwards and it was mostly GCs who disappered if they accidentally crossed to TC areas, as happened with the uncle of former president Clerides who was never seen after he entered the TC area of Nicosia accidentally.

This crap is going on today when 12000 TCs work in the south, but GCs cannot even operate a kiosk in the north.

SO LET GO OF THIS CRAP. YOU ARE OPERATING AN APARTHEID STATELET AS YOU OPERATED NO GO AREAS SINCE THE 50s.

Bananiot and his ilk who are so ready to condemn the atrocities of the 60s are totally silent on this apartheid situation which is operating UNINTERRUPTED SINCE 1963.

[Oracle]

Somewhere way back in this thread we have the old GC tale that "we were forced to sign the 1960 Constitution".

No one forced Makarios to sign it. If he had not signed it then everyone would have woken up on August 17th with Cyprus still a British colony and EOKA going back to trying to make it a Greek colony by force. Instead, Makarios signed in bad faith, as events afterwards showed through documents, actions and word, with the agreement being just one step on the road to enosis.

Well you can't have it both ways ... if you believe in the Akritas Plan then you believe Makarios signed under duress and pressure

c) ..... Most of the foreign representatives have been convinced that the solution given was neither fair nor satisfactory, that it was signed under pressure and without real negotiations and that it was imposed under various threats. It is significant argument that the solution achieved has not been ratified by the people, because our leadership, acting wisely, avoided calling the people to ratify it by a plebiscite, which the people, in the 1959 spirit, would have done if called upon.

BTW ... EOKA were fighting for Independence from the British ... and not towards ENOSIS with Greece.

[Viewpoint]

"Anyone who dared to step a foot outside of the enclaves disappeared never to be seen again."

This is bullshit!

TCs were free to enter GC controlled areas and work there from 1968 onwards. Many were emplyed in our area and by my relatives in Famagusta.

The GCs were never allowed into TC areas from 1963 onwards and it was mostly GCs who disappered if they accidentally crossed to TC areas, as happened with the uncle of former president Clerides who was never seen after he entered the TC area of Nicosia accidentally.

This crap is going on today when 12000 TCs work in the south, but GCs cannot even operate a kiosk in the north.

SO LET GO OF THIS CRAP. YOU ARE OPERATING AN APARTHEID STATELET AS YOU OPERATED NO GO AREAS SINCE THE 50s.

Bananiot and his ilk who are so ready to condemn the atrocities of the 60s are totally silent on this apartheid situation which is operating UNINTERRUPTED SINCE 1963.

It only takes one killing or disappearance to create an atmosphere of danger and mistrust.

The borders are clear now the GCs would dare do anything as they know they will have to take full blame in a mixed society they always blamed the other side.

[observer]

Oracle

BTW ... EOKA were fighting for Independence from the British ... and not towards ENOSIS with Greece.

This is so completely untrue that I am amazed that even your GC colleagues have taken you up on this.

Google a gentleman named Georgios Theodoros Grivas , also called Dighenis, who led EOKA.

[shahmaran]

"Anyone who dared to step a foot outside of the enclaves disappeared never to be seen again."

This is bullshit!

TCs were free to enter GC controlled areas and work there from 1968 onwards. Many were emplyed in our area and by my relatives in Famagusta.

The GCs were never allowed into TC areas from 1963 onwards and it was mostly GCs who disappered if they accidentally crossed to TC areas, as happened with the uncle of former president Clerides who was never seen after he entered the TC area of Nicosia accidentally.

This crap is going on today when 12000 TCs work in the south, but GCs cannot even operate a kiosk in the north.

SO LET GO OF THIS CRAP. YOU ARE OPERATING AN APARTHEID STATELET AS YOU OPERATED NO GO AREAS SINCE THE 50s.

Bananiot and his ilk who are so ready to condemn the atrocities of the 60s are totally silent on this apartheid situation which is operating UNINTERRUPTED SINCE 1963.

One of our employees disappeared WITH our lorry never to be seen again, we have been taking care of his family ever since.