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[denizaksulu]

In Australia and USA the foreigners managed to become the majorities several centuries ago. What could be similar to that is Asia Minor, where the Turks became the majority, not the TC in Cyprus which are a minority. Although the Turks forcefully took Asia minor from its previous inhabitants, this happened many centuries ago when building empires and capturing slaves was the norm. Today there are things like international law and human rights, you can't just go around stealing the lands of others anymore.

Do you know any minority which ethnically cleansed the majority of people from a part of a country so it can create a separate state for themselves? I am still waiting for a relevant example.

The Conquistadores come to mind. Their subjugation o Central and South Amerca began with a few hundred soldiers on horseback.

Regards

[74LB]

In Australia and USA the foreigners managed to become the majorities several centuries ago. What could be similar to that is Asia Minor, where the Turks became the majority, not the TC in Cyprus which are a minority. Although the Turks forcefully took Asia minor from its previous inhabitants, this happened many centuries ago when building empires and capturing slaves was the norm. Today there are things like international law and human rights, you can't just go around stealing the lands of others anymore.

Do you know any minority which ethnically cleansed the majority of people from a part of a country so it can create a separate state for themselves? I am still waiting for a relevant example.

Hallelujah

[Piratis]

Still waiting for a clear explanation of the idea of political equality of the two communities under a BBF solution and how this combines with EU principles of individual human rights.

Nikitas, was Cyprus every Greece? no it was not, so trying to gift it to Greece was a big mistake, that's why the minority revolted as they did no want to share the destiny as those Turkish minorities in Crete and Rhodes, why is it so hard to understand we do not want to live or become Greek just as you do not want to be part of Turkey or be Turkish.

As for Political equality under a BBF solution think of it this way, 2 states north and south the GC administer the south and TCs the north, everyone has the freedom to settle where they wish. Everyone has 1 vote and elects 20 TC MPs and 80 GC MPs, but just like south Cyprus who has a veto right in the EU the TC MPs votes are required on sensitive issues which are considered a risk or detrimental to that community, this could also be the same for the GC community.

Best to veto the Turkish out of Europe and be done with. Even as minorities the Turkish have abused their way into power. And the TCs are no different as a demanding subversive minority who are destroying the majority of Cypriots inside out. Which other minority groups have had as much right to such gains past and present as the TCs have grabbed?

And they get offended if Cypriots associate with Greeks by virtue of being outnumbered fourfold. Hahaha!

Go study the Swiss and Belgian models and Serbia Montenegro for that matter, we all know how they ended up, if they can do it so can we.

Lofty ambitions. Hahaha! Which guy are you in your avatar?

Virtual numerical parity against definitive majoritiy to minority distributions is not a sensible comparison;

Swiss ........... 62% Germans : 38% French + Italian ... Ratio 1.6 : 1

Belgium ......... 60% Dutch : 40% French ................... Ratio 1.5 : 1

Cyprus ........... 82% GC : 18% TC ............................. Ratio 4.5 : 1

Hahaha!

The difference is not only in the vast difference in population numbers. The main difference is that in every other country were a federation exists, the federated states were separate regions which might have been inhabited by a majority of people from certain ethnicity. (otherwise the state is not associated with any ethnic or other group, but is just an administrative region, like the districts we have in Cyprus)

Federations are formed by uniting separate regions. Not by dividing one region where one ethnic group is the majority of all parts of it, by means of ethnic cleansing and land grab.

The TCs want to create their own separate region by stealing it from us. They think that we still live in the middle ages that their ancestors could do such things!

One more thing to note is that in all federations the citizens of the country are totally free to move and become full residents of any state they want to. There are no racist discriminations and segregation like the Turks want to force in Cyprus. This is because the separation in Cyprus is not natural but a result of force and the Turks know that if they stop separating people by force that soon the whole of Cyprus will be again inhabited by a majority of GCs who would return to their own lands.

So stop confusing irrelevant cases. In Cyprus the division is a result of a foreign invasion, ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation. Nothing to do with those other cases. What is similar to TCs are the Turks of Bulgaria (the most similar), or any other minorities which do not own a separate region of a country.

So the TCs can have the maximum of minority rights than any other democratic country gives (not the below minimum rights, as given by Turkey to its minorities) . But they can not ethnically cleanse us, steal our land and declare it as supposedly their own separate Turkish region!

[Viewpoint]

Still waiting for a clear explanation of the idea of political equality of the two communities under a BBF solution and how this combines with EU principles of individual human rights.

Nikitas, was Cyprus every Greece? no it was not, so trying to gift it to Greece was a big mistake, that's why the minority revolted as they did no want to share the destiny as those Turkish minorities in Crete and Rhodes, why is it so hard to understand we do not want to live or become Greek just as you do not want to be part of Turkey or be Turkish.

As for Political equality under a BBF solution think of it this way, 2 states north and south the GC administer the south and TCs the north, everyone has the freedom to settle where they wish. Everyone has 1 vote and elects 20 TC MPs and 80 GC MPs, but just like south Cyprus who has a veto right in the EU the TC MPs votes are required on sensitive issues which are considered a risk or detrimental to that community, this could also be the same for the GC community.

Best to veto the Turkish out of Europe and be done with. Even as minorities the Turkish have abused their way into power. And the TCs are no different as a demanding subversive minority who are destroying the majority of Cypriots inside out. Which other minority groups have had as much right to such gains past and present as the TCs have grabbed?

And they get offended if Cypriots associate with Greeks by virtue of being outnumbered fourfold. Hahaha!

Go study the Swiss and Belgian models and Serbia Montenegro for that matter, we all know how they ended up, if they can do it so can we.

Lofty ambitions. Hahaha! Which guy are you in your avatar?

Virtual numerical parity against definitive majoritiy to minority distributions is not a sensible comparison;

Swiss ........... 62% Germans : 38% French + Italian ... Ratio 1.6 : 1

Belgium ......... 60% Dutch : 40% French ................... Ratio 1.5 : 1

Cyprus ........... 82% GC : 18% TC ............................. Ratio 4.5 : 1

Hahaha!

The difference is not only in the vast difference in population numbers. The main difference is that in every other country were a federation exists, the federated states were separate regions which might have been inhabited by a majority of people from certain ethnicity. (otherwise the state is not associated with any ethnic or other group, but is just an administrative region, like the districts we have in Cyprus)

Federations are formed by uniting separate regions. Not by dividing one region where one ethnic group is the majority of all parts of it, by means of ethnic cleansing and land grab.

The TCs want to create their own separate region by stealing it from us. They think that we still live in the middle ages that their ancestors could do such things!

One more thing to note is that in all federations the citizens of the country are totally free to move and become full residents of any state they want to. There are no racist discriminations and segregation like the Turks want to force in Cyprus. This is because the separation in Cyprus is not natural but a result of force and the Turks know that if they stop separating people by force that soon the whole of Cyprus will be again inhabited by a majority of GCs who would return to their own lands.

So stop confusing irrelevant cases. In Cyprus the division is a result of a foreign invasion, ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation. Nothing to do with those other cases. What is similar to TCs are the Turks of Bulgaria (the most similar), or any other minorities which do not own a separate region of a country.

So the TCs can have the maximum of minority rights than any other democratic country gives (not the below minimum rights, as given by Turkey to its minorities) . But they can not ethnically cleanse us, steal our land and declare it as supposedly their own separate Turkish region!

The UN have shown support for a BBF Political equality solution, go argue your theories with them as your leader also support the same, you appear to be out in the cold. Any solution isgoing to be regional theres no getting away from that fact, the sooner you accept this the better it will be for everyone.