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[Kifeas]

"No Piratis Cyprus was never part of Greece or ever a Greek island"

And Ankara was not part of Turkey before 1923. Greece as a nation state came about in the 1820s. So the same argument could be used against all parts of Greece, or Turkey, or any other nation state.

As for it being part of the larger concept of the Greek world, well it was part of several Greek empires and dynasties, including the Byzantine empire which lasted about one thousand years. That is good enough to determine the nature of the island's culture and ethnic makeup. And this has endured successive invasions and conquests. Trying to deny this is not exactly the best way to make friends and influence people VP.

Nikitas, arguing history with the Turks, is worst than banking your head on a brick wall! Give up with them, like I did! They are the masters of historical revisionism! Did you know that Homer (Homiros) was not a Greek, but an ancient Turk? It comes from ...Omer, like Omer Brionis Pasha!

[Viewpoint]

Still waiting for a clear explanation of the idea of political equality of the two communities under a BBF solution and how this combines with EU principles of individual human rights.

Nikitas, was Cyprus every Greece? no it was not, so trying to gift it to Greece was a big mistake, that's why the minority revolted as they did no want to share the destiny as those Turkish minorities in Crete and Rhodes, why is it so hard to understand we do not want to live or become Greek just as you do not want to be part of Turkey or be Turkish.

As for Political equality under a BBF solution think of it this way, 2 states north and south the GC administer the south and TCs the north, everyone has the freedom to settle where they wish. Everyone has 1 vote and elects 20 TC MPs and 80 GC MPs, but just like south Cyprus who has a veto right in the EU the TC MPs votes are required on sensitive issues which are considered a risk or detrimental to that community, this could also be the same for the GC community.

[denizaksulu]

"No Piratis Cyprus was never part of Greece or ever a Greek island"

And Ankara was not part of Turkey before 1923. Greece as a nation state came about in the 1820s. So the same argument could be used against all parts of Greece, or Turkey, or any other nation state.

As for it being part of the larger concept of the Greek world, well it was part of several Greek empires and dynasties, including the Byzantine empire which lasted about one thousand years. That is good enough to determine the nature of the island's culture and ethnic makeup. And this has endured successive invasions and conquests. Trying to deny this is not exactly the best way to make friends and influence people VP.

Nikitas, arguing history with the Turks, is worst than banking your head on a brick wall! Give up with them, like I did! They are the masters of historical revisionism! Did you know that Homer (Homiros) was not a Greek, but an ancient Turk? It comes from ...Omer, like Omer Brionis Pasha!

Dont you know when someone is puling your leg?

Its like 'Shakespears real name is Sheik Pir'. He was a muslim and converted.

[denizaksulu]

Still waiting for a clear explanation of the idea of political equality of the two communities under a BBF solution and how this combines with EU principles of individual human rights.

Nikitas, was Cyprus every Greece? no it was not, so trying to gift it to Greece was a big mistake, that's why the minority revolted as they did no want to share the destiny as those Turkish minorities in Crete and Rhodes, why is it so hard to understand we do not want to live or become Greek just as you do not want to be part of Turkey or be Turkish.

As for Political equality under a BBF solution think of it this way, 2 states north and south the GC administer the south and TCs the north, everyone has the freedom to settle where they wish. Everyone has 1 vote and elects 20 TC MPs and 80 GC MPs, but just like south Cyprus who has a veto right in the EU the TC MPs votes are required on sensitive issues which are considered a risk or detrimental to that community, this could also be the same for the GC community.

VP, who will decide what is detrimental. What may be detrimental to one side may not be seen as detrimental to the other side. I see problems there.

[Viewpoint]

Still waiting for a clear explanation of the idea of political equality of the two communities under a BBF solution and how this combines with EU principles of individual human rights.

Nikitas, was Cyprus every Greece? no it was not, so trying to gift it to Greece was a big mistake, that's why the minority revolted as they did no want to share the destiny as those Turkish minorities in Crete and Rhodes, why is it so hard to understand we do not want to live or become Greek just as you do not want to be part of Turkey or be Turkish.

As for Political equality under a BBF solution think of it this way, 2 states north and south the GC administer the south and TCs the north, everyone has the freedom to settle where they wish. Everyone has 1 vote and elects 20 TC MPs and 80 GC MPs, but just like south Cyprus who has a veto right in the EU the TC MPs votes are required on sensitive issues which are considered a risk or detrimental to that community, this could also be the same for the GC community.

VP, who will decide what is detrimental. What may be detrimental to one side may not be seen as detrimental to the other side. I see problems there.

Those issues will have to be predetermined in the constitution, eg like changing the national flag or anthem, stopping trade with Turkey, removing Turkish as an official language, changing the constitution.

[observer]

Still waiting for a clear explanation of the idea of political equality of the two communities under a BBF solution and how this combines with EU principles of individual human rights.

Nikitas, was Cyprus every Greece? no it was not, so trying to gift it to Greece was a big mistake, that's why the minority revolted as they did no want to share the destiny as those Turkish minorities in Crete and Rhodes, why is it so hard to understand we do not want to live or become Greek just as you do not want to be part of Turkey or be Turkish.

As for Political equality under a BBF solution think of it this way, 2 states north and south the GC administer the south and TCs the north, everyone has the freedom to settle where they wish. Everyone has 1 vote and elects 20 TC MPs and 80 GC MPs, but just like south Cyprus who has a veto right in the EU the TC MPs votes are required on sensitive issues which are considered a risk or detrimental to that community, this could also be the same for the GC community.

VP, who will decide what is detrimental. What may be detrimental to one side may not be seen as detrimental to the other side. I see problems there.

Those issues will have to be predetermined in the constitution, eg like changing the national flag or anthem, stopping trade with Turkey, removing Turkish as an official language, changing the constitution.

As has often been pointed out in this forum, all 27 members of the EU have a veto.

[boomerang]

Still waiting for a clear explanation of the idea of political equality of the two communities under a BBF solution and how this combines with EU principles of individual human rights.

Nikitas, was Cyprus every Greece? no it was not, so trying to gift it to Greece was a big mistake, that's why the minority revolted as they did no want to share the destiny as those Turkish minorities in Crete and Rhodes, why is it so hard to understand we do not want to live or become Greek just as you do not want to be part of Turkey or be Turkish.

As for Political equality under a BBF solution think of it this way, 2 states north and south the GC administer the south and TCs the north, everyone has the freedom to settle where they wish. Everyone has 1 vote and elects 20 TC MPs and 80 GC MPs, but just like south Cyprus who has a veto right in the EU the TC MPs votes are required on sensitive issues which are considered a risk or detrimental to that community, this could also be the same for the GC community.

VP, who will decide what is detrimental. What may be detrimental to one side may not be seen as detrimental to the other side. I see problems there.

Those issues will have to be predetermined in the constitution, eg like changing the national flag or anthem, stopping trade with Turkey, removing Turkish as an official language, changing the constitution.

As has often been pointed out in this forum, all 27 members of the EU have a veto.

So which community within the countries of the EU has VETO rights in their own country?....Germany, UK, maybe France...I am not sure you tell me...

[Lysimachos]

Still waiting for a clear explanation of the idea of political equality of the two communities under a BBF solution and how this combines with EU principles of individual human rights.

Nikitas, was Cyprus every Greece? no it was not, so trying to gift it to Greece was a big mistake, that's why the minority revolted as they did no want to share the destiny as those Turkish minorities in Crete and Rhodes, why is it so hard to understand we do not want to live or become Greek just as you do not want to be part of Turkey or be Turkish.

As for Political equality under a BBF solution think of it this way, 2 states north and south the GC administer the south and TCs the north, everyone has the freedom to settle where they wish. Everyone has 1 vote and elects 20 TC MPs and 80 GC MPs, but just like south Cyprus who has a veto right in the EU the TC MPs votes are required on sensitive issues which are considered a risk or detrimental to that community, this could also be the same for the GC community.

Best to veto the Turkish out of Europe and be done with. Even as minorities the Turkish have abused their way into power. And the TCs are no different as a demanding subversive minority who are destroying the majority of Cypriots inside out. Which other minority groups have had as much right to such gains past and present as the TCs have grabbed?

And they get offended if Cypriots associate with Greeks by virtue of being outnumbered fourfold. Hahaha!

[Viewpoint]

Still waiting for a clear explanation of the idea of political equality of the two communities under a BBF solution and how this combines with EU principles of individual human rights.

Nikitas, was Cyprus every Greece? no it was not, so trying to gift it to Greece was a big mistake, that's why the minority revolted as they did no want to share the destiny as those Turkish minorities in Crete and Rhodes, why is it so hard to understand we do not want to live or become Greek just as you do not want to be part of Turkey or be Turkish.

As for Political equality under a BBF solution think of it this way, 2 states north and south the GC administer the south and TCs the north, everyone has the freedom to settle where they wish. Everyone has 1 vote and elects 20 TC MPs and 80 GC MPs, but just like south Cyprus who has a veto right in the EU the TC MPs votes are required on sensitive issues which are considered a risk or detrimental to that community, this could also be the same for the GC community.

Best to veto the Turkish out of Europe and be done with. Even as minorities the Turkish have abused their way into power. And the TCs are no different as a demanding subversive minority who are destroying the majority of Cypriots inside out. Which other minority groups have had as much right to such gains past and present as the TCs have grabbed?

And they get offended if Cypriots associate with Greeks by virtue of being outnumbered fourfold. Hahaha!

Go study the Swiss and Belgian models and Serbia Montenegro for that matter, we all know how they ended up, if they can do it so can we.

[observer]

Boomerang wrote

So which community within the countries of the EU has VETO rights in their own country?....Germany, UK, maybe France...I am not sure you tell me...

Countries within Europe where there were large differences in culture, ethnicity or whatever solved their differences by splitting up. Recent examples are the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic, numerous parts of Yugoslavia, even more parts of the USSR, and most recently Serbia and Kosova. If, for any reason they were being forced back together, the constituent countries would probably want vetoes in some areas.

RoC and TRNC have been separate countries for the last 30+ years. Given the history of the preceding 20 years the smaller constituent part wants a veto on sensitive areas to make sure history doesn't repeat itself. Alternatively most TCs would be prepared to be a separate country, just like the 20 or so 'new' countries above (many in the EU).

If we are to come together the TC portion wishes to be autonomous. The Spanish constitution is a good example, especially articles 149 and 148 (an English version is here http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/sp00000_.html ). The autonomous regions do not have a veto, but Spain is more homogenious and does not have Cyprus' recent history.

As Viewpoint wrote, "Those issues (where the veto may be applied) will have to be predetermined in the constitution, eg like changing the national flag or anthem, stopping trade with Turkey, removing Turkish as an official language, changing the constitution". None of these seem contentious to me.