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[Bananiot]

The armed struggle of EOKA was not for an independent Cyprus but for union of Cyprus with Greece. This is an undisputed fact and I cannot really see why some people in this forum question this. AKEL did not disagree with enosis but disagreed (strongly) with the method used to bring about enosis (self determination which would lead to enosis). AKEL proposed a peaceful way, one of mass political struggle. There is no doubt that such a struggle would have been better.

I do not deny that the Greek Cypriots were entitled to aspire for union with Greece and this aspiration was legitimate because the Greek Cypriots formed a large numerical majority on the island and were entitled to decide the future of this island after colonial rule.

Some people claimed that if it were not for the armed struggle Cyprus would still be a British colony. That is utter rubbish. What is definitely correct is that the armed struggle which started against all logic and understanding of political process by a priest and a fascist general, led Cyprus on a dangerous path at the end of which loomed disaster. AKEL pointed out this fact but it was soon accused of treason. Yet, it was not only AKEL that saw the dangers. Prominent right wing members of the society warned of the dangers too, such as the historian Spiridakis who knew history and could make parallels.

It is also true that the sacrifices of young people spoke to the hearts of Greek Cypriots and that eventually society at large embraced EOKA. One must also remember that EOKA killed more Cypriots than British soldiers and by 1959 the movement was more or less defeated by the superior British forces. It could not have had a different end.

Faced by a humiliating defeat the leadership of the Greek Cypriots heavy heartedly accepted the London Zurich agreements but still one more tactical error was to be done. They thought that they could use the agreements as a stepping stone to achieve the century old aim of enosis.

Of course by now Turkey became an important player in the events in Cyprus (thanks to the efforts of Makarios to internationalise the Cyprus issue in the early 50's) and any push for enosis was now a matter to be considered by three parts, namely Britain, Greece and Turkey.

It can easily be seen that the Greek Cypriots (the leadership that is) managed to turn an aspiration that fed generations of Greek Cypriots into an unapproachable dream that eventually became a nightmare.

I said in the beginning that supporting enosis was a legitimate right of the Greek Cypriot. However, after doing our best to make it impossible to happen, any push for enosis was a criminal mistake. Many people stand to be accused here because they allowed the hearts to dictate the brain.

Ideally we should have learned our lessons in 1960 and since we were given a country, even with many shortages, we should have all put our best foot forward and make things work. We did not, basically because we listened to the seducing calls of the sick nationalists and like in 1955 we went on a destroy-our-country spree.

Now, it seems we have one final chance of salvaging something. The same people that are responsible for ruining our island are again on the warpath. This time we must not listen to them. We should all accept that the two communities are politically equal and that together we will run this country within United Europe.

[umit07]

The man of reason speaks once again. Good on you Bananiot.

[Nikitas]

Can someone analyse this concept of the two communities being politically equal and how this works in combination with the principle that all individuals are equal? This is NOT a rhetorical question. It is a genuine inquiry.

[Oracle]

Can someone analyse this concept of the two communities being politically equal and how this works in combination with the principle that all individuals are equal? This is NOT a rhetorical question. It is a genuine inquiry.

One TC is worth four to five GCs.

[umit07]

Can someone analyse this concept of the two communities being politically equal and how this works in combination with the principle that all individuals are equal? This is NOT a rhetorical question. It is a genuine inquiry.

For example:

Two states make up one country, with the need of a majority vote within each state on predertermined Federal matters.

The Federal gov. seats based on the pop. of each costituent state.

[umit07]

Can someone analyse this concept of the two communities being politically equal and how this works in combination with the principle that all individuals are equal? This is NOT a rhetorical question. It is a genuine inquiry.

One TC is worth four to five GCs.

No oracle that is propoganda bullshit .

[Kifeas]

The Greek newspaper Eleftherotipia published an interview with Nicos Sampson on Feb. 26,1981 in which he said, “Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed enosis, I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus.”

I don't give a TOSS, and neither does any court of law in the world, about who SAID what but it's who DID what that matters!

Again, recommended further reading for you...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=11349

So we should dismiss the intent? You are living in denial.

If I were to drown you in malicious quotes made over the years by characters like Ataturk, Demirel, Chiler, Etcevit, and Denktash, would that give me the right to condemn YOU today?

There is only ONE thing that matters and that is FACTUAL EVENTS OF ACTION and not people's thoughts, nostalgias, assumptions, and similar virtual crap!

The question is not whether GR is “in denial” but whether YOU are MATURE ENOUGH to start looking at the Cyprus problem from a FACTUAL viewpoint as opposed to your emotional rollercoaster of misinformation.

The information is from a Greek newspaper and the quote is from Nicos Sampson. I do not condemn you, one day I wish to be living next to you in peace. I just wish you were a little more honest with me and yourself.

Why do you connect me to Turkey? I'm a Cypriot. I have no relatives or any contacts in Turkey.

What worries me is the fact that there are many more Nicos Sampsons in Cyprus today. We exchange posts with some of them on this very forum. We all know who they are.

Since you believe that whatever the “oddment” of the Ottoman empire did in 1974 and thereafter, is legitimate, and since you believe that there are many Sampsons among the GCs, and since I gather that this is the view shared by the majority of the TCs due to the relentless brainwashing of your "national fathers;" I see no point in discussing any form of re-unification with us, and I wonder why your leadership does nowadays! The only solution I see forward is to allow you your separate TC state in the 18%(-) of Cyprus, as soon as you and your "motherland" will make up your mind as to which 18% area you will retain, from the excessive part of Cyprus that the “oddment” of the Ottoman empire illegally occupies since 1974! Until then, you will remain isolated, and your "motherland" will soon get the boot from her EU accession process!

[humanist]

How is it propaganda Umit? Think about mate and think about it well. In a democracy as I hope Cyprus will be if unification occurs and you have your little state in the north. How can you ensure who in the future buys sells and exchanges their property? What will you do if a TC sells his land to a GC sorry you cannot live here because you have a happened to have a GC background. Is that the democracy you are proposing for our country.

The reality is TC sight is so narrow minded that you are going to create another 1974 in 50 years time. Because none of you are able to think broadly and allow for a one Cyprus one peopl nation.

[Oracle]

Can someone analyse this concept of the two communities being politically equal and how this works in combination with the principle that all individuals are equal? This is NOT a rhetorical question. It is a genuine inquiry.

One TC is worth four to five GCs.

No oracle that is propoganda bullshit .

I know Turkish propaganda is bullshit ....... but how do you legitimately answer Nikitas' question?

[Kifeas]

Can someone analyse this concept of the two communities being politically equal and how this works in combination with the principle that all individuals are equal? This is NOT a rhetorical question. It is a genuine inquiry.

One TC is worth four to five GCs.

Oracle and Nikitas, you should feel lucky that the TCs believe 1 TC equals only 4-5 GCs! Imagine if they would have strictly followed their father's advice that: "Bir Turk Dunya'ya Bedeldir..!"