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[Oracle]

Actually just as a matter of interest since this has come up, do Turks seriously never think of themselves as Ottomans ... Why are the terms "Turkish" and "Ottoman" not interchangeable? ..... After all Greeks don't mind being referred to as either Hellenic or Greek.

Well maybe because Turkey came a long way from the Ottoman era through a major transformation, regarding their views on religion and the mission to rule the world.

You didn't.

We never needed a rapid changes of disguise. No punctuated equilibrium, more phyletic gradualism.

Do you still relate to the Byzantium era?

Of course I still relate to the Byzantium era. I am a proud product and it was so diverse in its cultural subgroups that it suits my fickle tastes well.

[Viewpoint]

And what is wrong with Cyprus wanting its liberation from foreign empires and dreaming to be part of a free Greek state???? Was it wrong when the Athenians, or the Peloponisians, or the Cretans or any other Greek island and territory revolted against their foreign oppressors in order to be liberated and be part of a free Greek state?

Are you going to tell me that because the Turks had spread minorities in most parts of their empire, the nations under the Ottoman empire should have never been allowed to be liberated??

The fact VP is that you attacked us, and you made plans and demands for our annihilation, because according to you we committed the "crime" of dreaming to be free from foreign oppressors.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Cypriots, Cretans, Athenians and Greek people in general to want their freedom from foreign rulers. What is wrong, is you attacking us, and making demands for our annihilation from the north part of our island.

Freedom as one country with us included would have been fine but you had other agendas and that was to turn Cyprus into a Greek island without our permission, aint gonna happen we will never let this take place. You could not have expect TCs to take your enosis shit laying down we had to fight back thats why we had plans for Taksim, the division of today is a direct product of your dream for enosis, you only have yourself to blame.

[Paphitis]

The Turks today have ethnically cleansed the majority of Cypriots from the north part of our country, replaced them with foreign Settlers, changed the names of our villages and do their best to destroy everything Greek and Christian in their effort to forcefully and unnaturally create some fake Cyprus in the part the illegally occupy.

This is the reason the cyprus issue has not been solved yet and we are working to achieve a settlement. Unless of course you are happy with partition .....

I also do not accept that the Greeks were the only inhabitants and were the sole contributors to the Cyprus culture

Hellenic influence has been strong in Cyprus for the last 3,500 years. It has survived invasion after invasion. It is by far the most dominant culture on the island.

Some "fashionable" Cypriots who wish to erase this history and culture is just unnaceptable. Those who wish to convince us that we must deny and erase our identity and adopt Cypriotism is totally false.

Cypriotism is the nationally that will hopefully be adopted by GCs and TCs in the event of a solution, so the nation can move forward as a unified country. And all Cypriots can achieve this as well as being free to celebrate their roots, culture, and history.

People need to be reminded that "nationality" and "ethnicity" are 2 different things all together.

[Paphitis]

And what is wrong with Cyprus wanting its liberation from foreign empires and dreaming to be part of a free Greek state???? Was it wrong when the Athenians, or the Peloponisians, or the Cretans or any other Greek island and territory revolted against their foreign oppressors in order to be liberated and be part of a free Greek state?

Are you going to tell me that because the Turks had spread minorities in most parts of their empire, the nations under the Ottoman empire should have never been allowed to be liberated??

The fact VP is that you attacked us, and you made plans and demands for our annihilation, because according to you we committed the "crime" of dreaming to be free from foreign oppressors.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Cypriots, Cretans, Athenians and Greek people in general to want their freedom from foreign rulers. What is wrong, is you attacking us, and making demands for our annihilation from the north part of our island.

Freedom as one country with us included would have been fine but you had other agendas and that was to turn Cyprus into a Greek island without our permission, aint gonna happen we will never let this take place. You could not have expect TCs to take your enosis shit laying down we had to fight back thats why we had plans for Taksim, the division of today is a direct product of your dream for enosis, you only have yourself to blame.

Cypriots today are no longer interested in Enosis. So if TAKSIM was a by product of the Enosis movement in the 50s, what is your excuse for the continued division and occupation of Cyprus today?

Cypriots are only interested in a free united Cyprus with hopefully the participation of the TCs so that we can move forward as Cypriots first and foremost without the suppresion of the individuals culture as some people wish to suggest.

[Get Real!]

The Turks today have ethnically cleansed the majority of Cypriots from the north part of our country, replaced them with foreign Settlers, changed the names of our villages and do their best to destroy everything Greek and Christian in their effort to forcefully and unnaturally create some fake Cyprus in the part the illegally occupy.

This is the reason the cyprus issue has not been solved yet and we are working to achieve a settlement. Unless of course you are happy with partition .....

I also do not accept that the Greeks were the only inhabitants and were the sole contributors to the Cyprus culture

Hellenic influence has been strong in Cyprus for the last 3,500 years. It has survived invasion after invasion. It is by far the most dominant culture on the island.

Some "fashionable" Cypriots who wish to erase this history and culture is just unnaceptable. Those who wish to convince us that we must deny and erase our identity and adopt Cypriotism is totally false.

Cypriotism is the nationally that will hopefully be adopted by GCs and TCs in the event of a solution, so the nation can move forward as a unified country. And all Cypriots can achieve this as well as being free to celebrate their roots, culture, and history.

People need to be reminded that "nationality" and "ethnicity" are 2 different things all together.

Cyprus had a civilization millenniums before any Greek or Turk even existed, and the “Greek culture” you boast would’ve never been if it were not for the Cypriots laying down the foundations of what you now call “Greek” with the Cypriot alphabet…

Cyprus is the wellspring from which the Mediterranean ancient history flows…

[michalis5354]

The Turks today have ethnically cleansed the majority of Cypriots from the north part of our country, replaced them with foreign Settlers, changed the names of our villages and do their best to destroy everything Greek and Christian in their effort to forcefully and unnaturally create some fake Cyprus in the part the illegally occupy.

This is the reason the cyprus issue has not been solved yet and we are working to achieve a settlement. Unless of course you are happy with partition .....

I also do not accept that the Greeks were the only inhabitants and were the sole contributors to the Cyprus culture

Hellenic influence has been strong in Cyprus for the last 3,500 years. It has survived invasion after invasion. It is by far the most dominant culture on the island.

Some "fashionable" Cypriots who wish to erase this history and culture is just unnaceptable. Those who wish to convince us that we must deny and erase our identity and adopt Cypriotism is totally false.

Cypriotism is the nationally that will hopefully be adopted by GCs and TCs in the event of a solution, so the nation can move forward as a unified country. And all Cypriots can achieve this as well as being free to celebrate their roots, culture, and history.

People need to be reminded that "nationality" and "ethnicity" are 2 different things all together.

Who tried to undermine the Cyprus history? Werent those who violated the Zurich agreements to unite the island with Greece. Would you be happy now If that was accomplshed? Maybe Yes as you dont live on the island you live in Australia.

We need to acknolwedge mistkes for the sake of the country and the history. I still dont understand why is so hard for some to admit that Enosis was wrong and try to defent it.

I have no problem with respecting your roots but as long as you do not violate the laws of the country that come first and repeat the mistakes of the past.

[Viewpoint]

And what is wrong with Cyprus wanting its liberation from foreign empires and dreaming to be part of a free Greek state???? Was it wrong when the Athenians, or the Peloponisians, or the Cretans or any other Greek island and territory revolted against their foreign oppressors in order to be liberated and be part of a free Greek state?

Are you going to tell me that because the Turks had spread minorities in most parts of their empire, the nations under the Ottoman empire should have never been allowed to be liberated??

The fact VP is that you attacked us, and you made plans and demands for our annihilation, because according to you we committed the "crime" of dreaming to be free from foreign oppressors.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Cypriots, Cretans, Athenians and Greek people in general to want their freedom from foreign rulers. What is wrong, is you attacking us, and making demands for our annihilation from the north part of our island.

Freedom as one country with us included would have been fine but you had other agendas and that was to turn Cyprus into a Greek island without our permission, aint gonna happen we will never let this take place. You could not have expect TCs to take your enosis shit laying down we had to fight back thats why we had plans for Taksim, the division of today is a direct product of your dream for enosis, you only have yourself to blame.

Cypriots today are no longer interested in Enosis. So if TAKSIM was a by product of the Enosis movement in the 50s, what is your excuse for the continued division and occupation of Cyprus today?

Cypriots are only interested in a free united Cyprus with hopefully the participation of the TCs so that we can move forward as Cypriots first and foremost without the suppresion of the individuals culture as some people wish to suggest.

The division is the product of the GC dream for enosis, its continuation is the result of non-agreement to reach a structure that would meet both sides concerns and demands, if we ever agree anything then a solution may be found as you are no doubt aware the last attempt was rejected by the GCs.

[Piratis]

And what is wrong with Cyprus wanting its liberation from foreign empires and dreaming to be part of a free Greek state???? Was it wrong when the Athenians, or the Peloponisians, or the Cretans or any other Greek island and territory revolted against their foreign oppressors in order to be liberated and be part of a free Greek state?

Are you going to tell me that because the Turks had spread minorities in most parts of their empire, the nations under the Ottoman empire should have never been allowed to be liberated??

The fact VP is that you attacked us, and you made plans and demands for our annihilation, because according to you we committed the "crime" of dreaming to be free from foreign oppressors.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Cypriots, Cretans, Athenians and Greek people in general to want their freedom from foreign rulers. What is wrong, is you attacking us, and making demands for our annihilation from the north part of our island.

Freedom as one country with us included would have been fine but you had other agendas and that was to turn Cyprus into a Greek island without our permission, aint gonna happen we will never let this take place. You could not have expect TCs to take your enosis shit laying down we had to fight back thats why we had plans for Taksim, the division of today is a direct product of your dream for enosis, you only have yourself to blame.

Cyprus has been a Greek island for 1000s of years, just like every other Greek island. Nobody asked from you to leave from Cyprus. We simply asked for our freedom, whats wrong with that?

And I ask you again: Should no Greek island or territory be liberated and part of a free Greek state because the Ottomans spread some minorities of their kind on our lands?

Was it fine when Cyprus was part of the British and Ottoman empires against the will of the Cypriots, but it was a "crime" if Cyprus was part of the free Greek state which is what the great majority of Cypriots wanted?

The fact is that we have done absolutely nothing wrong. We fought for our freedom like the many other territories that where under colonial (British,Ottoman,French etc) rule. We have done nothing more than fight for our rights.

On the other hand you attacked Cypriots and you fought on the side of the foreign invadors with the aim to keep Cyprus enslaved.

What we have today is the result of the aggression and expansionism of foreigners against Cyprus. Thats nothing new for us. We will continue fighting the foreign invadors as we have always done. If you choose to be our enemies instead of accepting to be an equal Cypriot citizen, then be certain that sooner or later you will be nothing more for Cyprus than just another chapter in our long history.

[michalis5354]

What did EOKA school boys 17-20 y old know about freedom? Were these motivated with rationality? Or did they drive the country into chaos and anarchy fueling the spirit of division (Taksim)!

[Piratis]

When your human rights are violated and you are oppressed, living in a territory which is ruled some British or Turkish governor instead of being ruled democratically by its own people, then you know what freedom means very very well. And people have every right to fight for their freedom.

Of course the foreign oppressors will always threaten the people, telling them that if they dare to revolt they will kill them, or, in the case of Cyprus partition our island and ethnically cleanse us. Does this mean that the people should be afraid of those threads and just accept to be slaves and not fight against their oppressors?

Yes, our enemies will do everything to keep us enslaved and steal our lands. But we will never surrender to them. We know what freedom means very very well, and we will always fight for it regardless of the odds.