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Postby Eric dayi » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:07 pm

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I could very easily turn this thread into a slinging match but I have so far refrained.


You already have.



I suggest that you control your racist bigot friends (Eric and Co) by getting them to also respond in kind and stop throwing slanderous misinformation.


"Eric and co"? :shock:

Now I know who I am but who's the "co"? :? :? :? :? :?


I will leave that to your imagination. But because you are not a very intelligent fella, it starts with a Z.. :lol:


Lemme see now....I started this thread and you say there's a "co" who'se name starts with "Z" and you want me to play your silly and childish "guess whoo" game with you? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Think very carefully. It may take you a while to work out. :lol:


Are you really that childish or just acting?

I am the one who started this threat, not zan or with zan, you silly child.

Talk about silly childish games in an attempt to hijack the thread! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:07 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
alexISS wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:alexISS,

EU must be concerned for some reason if they feel necessary to caution the RoC. No smoke where there is no fire.


The RoC is not the first country the EU cautioned Deniz, that's all I'm saying. Of course there is an issue in both Cyprus and Greece, but it's within acceptable EU limits


OK, we understand each other. Till I read your last sentence.

So now its @egal' abuse/torture. Why? One of the privileges of being in the EU.

Turkey better hurry up with its entry so it can torture PKK murderers 'legally'.


This was an isolated case. Even Australian police has been criticized for brutality in the past. But you would be hard pressed finding any human rights violations for Australia or Cyprus. I beleive every police force in every country has had atleast minor incidences of violence and corruption. No country is immune from these kind of problems.

Turkey for example has a massive human rights rap sheet that Iran, Saudi Arabia and Iraq would be proud of. And if anyone asks me to provide proof, then I will provide links. All you guys have to do is just ask me to do so and I will respond in kind. I have dozens of links on standby. :lol:



Go ahead Bafidis. We know the arsenal is full of......it will end up in a larger ....match. Goodluck. I dont see why you needed my aproval. You have been dying to unleash the next anti Turk salvo.

All duck, here it comes :roll: .........


:shock: Did not ask for your approval. Nor do I need it.

Do I have to remind you who has been posting these baseless allegations.

Over one police brutality case in Cyprus, Eric and co are rushing to label the RoC with human rights violations comparable to Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Do not tempt me Deniz. I am more than willing to counter lies and misinformation and if that means that I start a slinging match with Eric and Co, then so be it.



Yes, published in a daily paper in the south. If they are lies, why dont the RoC do something about it (take the paper to court).

These things do go on. Turkey might be the biggest culprit, only because they have a population of 70 million or thereabouts. 20 million of them unruly. And ofcourse they go on all over. If you want to start a tit-for-tat, some will be pleased to oblige. I will not.


I know of the case. They are not lies. The former police officers have been charged and a full scale enquiry is investigating the matter.

What is a lie is the incinuation that these acts are common place in the RoC. The fact is that these acts are as isolated as what they are in Australia, New Zealand, Sweden and Finland. Turkey on the other hand.................................well I could haved a field day about that!



Why spoil your fun? I am sure others are vying too to join the afray.

Tomorrow at dawn, bring your seconds.


:lol: Deniz. I am very surprised at your attitude. I thought that you stand to reason but I may be wrong.

I could very easily turn this thread into a slinging match but I have so far refrained. I suggest that you control your racist bigot friends (Eric and Co) by getting them to also respond in kind and stop throwing slanderous misinformation.


Are you kidding me. Re Bafidis, you are the one threatening here. Threatening to post what ever is in your arsenal. Is that how you work. 'Threats'. What people are saying is, those who live in glass houses....oh I give up.

Carry out your threat and I will sit back and (not) enjoy. What makes you think that I can influence people. They have their own minds, if they feel they have to retaliate, then retaliate they will.

You can change your mind about me, but I never change (well just a little bit). Am I bothered?


No. I was highlighting the restraint I have demonstrated so far. If only others did the same.

But, I could be tempted and so far Eric is doing a good job.
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:11 pm

Do not say you were not warned. The persons living in glass houses should take note.

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Turkey: Police brutality intensifies along with the political crisis
By Sinan Ikinci and Kerem Kaya

Last week, daily papers in Turkey reported widely the case brought by Cigdem Nalbantoglu before a Republican Court against the conduct of police officers, including women, in Istanbul’s Beyoglu district. She stated in her complaint that the police assaulted, beat and threatened her in the course of a random street search.

Cigdem Nalbantoglu is the elected head of the Gümüssuyu quarter of Beyoglu. She is also one of the founders of the Purple Roof Women’s Refuge Foundation.

According to her complaint, two female officers stopped her on the street and asked for ID. They searched her bag and found the names and phone numbers of former security chiefs in her address book. She told them she was the head of a quarter. They responded by saying that the new security chief had said that he “would take care of all transvestites, gays and prostitutes“ in the area, indicating that she was dressed like a prostitute.

When she asked how they could speak like that, the tone of the conversation changed for the worse. They said, “You are coming with us to the Public Interrogation Center.”

She was then dragged to a Legal Medical center for blood tests after being sworn at and hit by some of the male police officers, of whom there were some 20. All this was recorded by police cameras and some TV crews that were on the scene.

In the past, such an incident would have prompted a cover-up of the “heroic” police force. The fact that it has been reported by almost all daily newspapers is itself a reflection of deep currents within the Turkish political landscape. No newspapers alleged police wrong-doing, but neither did they suppress the story.

The Turkish police have a long-standing reputation and proven record of brutality, especially when it comes to political dissidents. The force has always been dominated by Islamist and fascistic elements. They are well trained in torture techniques, especially since their counterparts in the CIA trained them during the years of the Cold War.

In four years after the September, 1980 military coup, 178,565 people were detained and nearly all of them badly tortured. In addition to official detentions, hundreds disappeared and are presumed dead. Hundreds of officially detained people lost their lives in torture chambers. The police organization as whole was deeply implicated in this horrific and systematic practice.

More recently, powerful sections of the Turkish ruling elite have pressed for Turkey to enter the European Union (EU), and as a result the police force has been kept in check. Nevertheless, outbursts of police brutality have regularly occurred.

For example, in the midst of negotiations between Turkey and the EU, demonstrators on Women’s Day in 2005 were beaten, embarrassing the Turkish government. For its part, the European press largely ignores police brutality in Turkey, bringing it forward as an issue only when it serves the interests of the European powers in their negotiations with Turkey.

Recently, however, the Turkish military has made a sharp turn to the right, from a pro-EU to an anti-EU stance, and this has been reflected in a shift by the governing AKP (Justice and Development Party) in the same direction. With right-wing elements once again gaining substantial influence and the hopes of EU membership evaporating, the Turkish police feel more emboldened.

It would be a mistake to believe that what happened to Cigdem Nalbantoglu was the result of a few right-wing officers reacting to a liberal woman. This type of behavior is well on its way to becoming public policy at the highest level of the Turkish state.

For some time now, this process has not been confined to police activity. Politics have moved in the same direction. Judicial attacks on intellectuals are now commonplace.

Orhan Pamuk, currently the most prominent writer in Turkey, was charged last year with “impairment of Turkish identity,” which became a major issue in negotiations with the EU. More recently, journalist Elif Safak, who has received international acclaim, was attacked in the same manner. Today, dozens of journalists, writers and publishers are being dragged before the courts.

This is a sign that Turkey is returning to the days of systematic oppression. With the political situation in the region deteriorating—the North Cyprus situation deteriorating, the Armenian genocide dispute growing under pressure from the EU—and the economic situation growing more fragile—is not difficult to understand the turn to intensified repression.

Those sections of the ruling elite that still believe Turkey can win membership in the EU hope to rectify this situation. The publicity given to Cigdem Nalbantoglu’s complaint can be viewed in this light. This is essentially an exercise in damage control.

These forces have no desire to go to the roots of the problem. And for good reason! Under the capitalist form of democracy, in which oppressive measures are essential to the survival of the system, these layers require a brutal police force.

Such methods can be ended only by the working people of Turkey, but not without the help of their counterparts in other countries—the international working class.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:13 pm

Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
alexISS wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:alexISS,

EU must be concerned for some reason if they feel necessary to caution the RoC. No smoke where there is no fire.


The RoC is not the first country the EU cautioned Deniz, that's all I'm saying. Of course there is an issue in both Cyprus and Greece, but it's within acceptable EU limits


OK, we understand each other. Till I read your last sentence.

So now its @egal' abuse/torture. Why? One of the privileges of being in the EU.

Turkey better hurry up with its entry so it can torture PKK murderers 'legally'.


This was an isolated case. Even Australian police has been criticized for brutality in the past. But you would be hard pressed finding any human rights violations for Australia or Cyprus. I beleive every police force in every country has had atleast minor incidences of violence and corruption. No country is immune from these kind of problems.

Turkey for example has a massive human rights rap sheet that Iran, Saudi Arabia and Iraq would be proud of. And if anyone asks me to provide proof, then I will provide links. All you guys have to do is just ask me to do so and I will respond in kind. I have dozens of links on standby. :lol:



Go ahead Bafidis. We know the arsenal is full of......it will end up in a larger ....match. Goodluck. I dont see why you needed my aproval. You have been dying to unleash the next anti Turk salvo.

All duck, here it comes :roll: .........


:shock: Did not ask for your approval. Nor do I need it.

Do I have to remind you who has been posting these baseless allegations.

Over one police brutality case in Cyprus, Eric and co are rushing to label the RoC with human rights violations comparable to Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Do not tempt me Deniz. I am more than willing to counter lies and misinformation and if that means that I start a slinging match with Eric and Co, then so be it.



Yes, published in a daily paper in the south. If they are lies, why dont the RoC do something about it (take the paper to court).

These things do go on. Turkey might be the biggest culprit, only because they have a population of 70 million or thereabouts. 20 million of them unruly. And ofcourse they go on all over. If you want to start a tit-for-tat, some will be pleased to oblige. I will not.


I know of the case. They are not lies. The former police officers have been charged and a full scale enquiry is investigating the matter.

What is a lie is the incinuation that these acts are common place in the RoC. The fact is that these acts are as isolated as what they are in Australia, New Zealand, Sweden and Finland. Turkey on the other hand.................................well I could haved a field day about that!



Why spoil your fun? I am sure others are vying too to join the afray.

Tomorrow at dawn, bring your seconds.


:lol: Deniz. I am very surprised at your attitude. I thought that you stand to reason but I may be wrong.

I could very easily turn this thread into a slinging match but I have so far refrained. I suggest that you control your racist bigot friends (Eric and Co) by getting them to also respond in kind and stop throwing slanderous misinformation.


Are you kidding me. Re Bafidis, you are the one threatening here. Threatening to post what ever is in your arsenal. Is that how you work. 'Threats'. What people are saying is, those who live in glass houses....oh I give up.

Carry out your threat and I will sit back and (not) enjoy. What makes you think that I can influence people. They have their own minds, if they feel they have to retaliate, then retaliate they will.

You can change your mind about me, but I never change (well just a little bit). Am I bothered?


No. I was highlighting the restraint I have demonstrated so far. If only others did the same.

But, I could be tempted and so far Eric is doing a good job.



Do your worse then. You will no longer be the person you claim to be. Touche'.
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:14 pm

Here is a link of Turkish Police breaking a 15 year old boys arm. This is VIDEO evidence. You police forces are so brave for going up against a 15 year old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mkJyGnafw

Should I continue?
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:16 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
alexISS wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:alexISS,

EU must be concerned for some reason if they feel necessary to caution the RoC. No smoke where there is no fire.


The RoC is not the first country the EU cautioned Deniz, that's all I'm saying. Of course there is an issue in both Cyprus and Greece, but it's within acceptable EU limits


OK, we understand each other. Till I read your last sentence.

So now its @egal' abuse/torture. Why? One of the privileges of being in the EU.

Turkey better hurry up with its entry so it can torture PKK murderers 'legally'.


This was an isolated case. Even Australian police has been criticized for brutality in the past. But you would be hard pressed finding any human rights violations for Australia or Cyprus. I beleive every police force in every country has had atleast minor incidences of violence and corruption. No country is immune from these kind of problems.

Turkey for example has a massive human rights rap sheet that Iran, Saudi Arabia and Iraq would be proud of. And if anyone asks me to provide proof, then I will provide links. All you guys have to do is just ask me to do so and I will respond in kind. I have dozens of links on standby. :lol:



Go ahead Bafidis. We know the arsenal is full of......it will end up in a larger ....match. Goodluck. I dont see why you needed my aproval. You have been dying to unleash the next anti Turk salvo.

All duck, here it comes :roll: .........


:shock: Did not ask for your approval. Nor do I need it.

Do I have to remind you who has been posting these baseless allegations.

Over one police brutality case in Cyprus, Eric and co are rushing to label the RoC with human rights violations comparable to Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Do not tempt me Deniz. I am more than willing to counter lies and misinformation and if that means that I start a slinging match with Eric and Co, then so be it.



Yes, published in a daily paper in the south. If they are lies, why dont the RoC do something about it (take the paper to court).

These things do go on. Turkey might be the biggest culprit, only because they have a population of 70 million or thereabouts. 20 million of them unruly. And ofcourse they go on all over. If you want to start a tit-for-tat, some will be pleased to oblige. I will not.


I know of the case. They are not lies. The former police officers have been charged and a full scale enquiry is investigating the matter.

What is a lie is the incinuation that these acts are common place in the RoC. The fact is that these acts are as isolated as what they are in Australia, New Zealand, Sweden and Finland. Turkey on the other hand.................................well I could haved a field day about that!



Why spoil your fun? I am sure others are vying too to join the afray.

Tomorrow at dawn, bring your seconds.


:lol: Deniz. I am very surprised at your attitude. I thought that you stand to reason but I may be wrong.

I could very easily turn this thread into a slinging match but I have so far refrained. I suggest that you control your racist bigot friends (Eric and Co) by getting them to also respond in kind and stop throwing slanderous misinformation.


Are you kidding me. Re Bafidis, you are the one threatening here. Threatening to post what ever is in your arsenal. Is that how you work. 'Threats'. What people are saying is, those who live in glass houses....oh I give up.

Carry out your threat and I will sit back and (not) enjoy. What makes you think that I can influence people. They have their own minds, if they feel they have to retaliate, then retaliate they will.

You can change your mind about me, but I never change (well just a little bit). Am I bothered?


No. I was highlighting the restraint I have demonstrated so far. If only others did the same.

But, I could be tempted and so far Eric is doing a good job.



Do your worse then. You will no longer be the person you claim to be. Touche'.


And neither will you because you are a hypocrite.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:16 pm

Paphitis wrote:Here is a link of Turkish Police breaking a 15 year old boys are. This is VIDEO evidence. You police forces are so brave for going up against a 15 year old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mkJyGnafw

Should I continue?



You imbecile, do they look like TC police to you.?
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Postby halil » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:23 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Here is a link of Turkish Police breaking a 15 year old boys are. This is VIDEO evidence. You police forces are so brave for going up against a 15 year old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mkJyGnafw

Should I continue?



You imbecile, do they look like TC police to you.?


Deniz,
you make me :lol: ,

These men brains ................ ?

We are in Cyprus mate , Who cares what is happening in Turkey or Greece .
We must look for our Mandıra's first.

İf he wants to look whats happening in Cyprus .... He can just pop in Cyprus mail today ..... Why we are bothering for others ?
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Re: Torture report puts police in the spotlight

Postby GorillaGal » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:29 pm

Eric dayi wrote:
Torture report puts police in the spotlight
By Rula Aweidah

THE COUNCIL of Europe has warned Cyprus it needs to do more to stamp out ill-treatment of detainees in police custody after a visit by a special committee on torture received many “complaints of ill-treatment” in police custody, some of which “was of such a severity that it could be considered as amounting to torture”.

The visit by the Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) took place in December 2004, and its report was approved by the Council of Europe in July 2005. It was released today, after the Cyprus government finally gave its green light for the findings to be published.

Publication of the report is always at the request of the country involved, and usually comes before the next review, scheduled every four years.

In its response to the report, dated April 2006, the government says many of the recommendations have been, or are in the process of being, adopted.

The report devoted much of its attention to conditions in police custody, saying the CPT delegation had received many complaints of ill-treatment

“The forms of ill-treatment alleged consisted in the main of slaps, kicks and punches to the head and body, including the genitals, with the detained person sometimes undressed and/or handcuffed. Allegations of ill-treatment also included the banging of heads on a desk, blows with batons or other objects and violence of a sexual nature.

“In a few cases, the ill-treatment alleged was of such a severity that it could be considered as amounting to torture.”

The report added: “The risk of ill-treatment appeared to be particularly high in respect of foreign nationals, the conditions under which many of them were being detained were entirely unacceptable and could, in some cases, be regarded as inhuman and degrading.”

The report highlighted the case of one foreign detainee, who claimed that during an interview at the Central Prison, he had been severely ill-treated. “The first alleged incident consisted of punches and kicks to the face, chest and abdomen. The detainee further alleged that, during the night, he had been made to undress and had, while in a standing position, been hooded and shackled by the wrists and ankles to bars in the police prison, whereupon police officers had hit him violently on various parts of the body, including his genitals.”



Tuesday, April 2008.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=38718

The whiter than white so-called "RoC".

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


in a country known to treat it's animals as such, this doesn't suprise me.
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:29 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Here is a link of Turkish Police breaking a 15 year old boys are. This is VIDEO evidence. You police forces are so brave for going up against a 15 year old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mkJyGnafw

Should I continue?



You imbecile, do they look like TC police to you.?


No such thing as a legal TC police force. So how can anyone complain to the EU or Amnesty. TC police are a non recognised entity. :lol:
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