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[ultrastar]

Try convincing the world that the Greek Cypriots that said NO really want a solution and that the Turkish Cypriots that said YES really do not want a solution!

Read my post immediately above this one. Maybe you'll find the answer you're looking for.

And maybe you'll also learn not to be so shallow, and THINK about the reasons for which the GCs rejected a reunification plan they've been waiting for, for so long.

[Bananiot]

1. Forty five years on, Papadopoulos admitted in a speech at Intercollege two months ago that the London Zurich agreements were a blessing in disguise. Mea culpa albeit delayed.
2. It is just an allegation that Papadopoulos was the vice leader of the infamous Akritas Plan! Well done, you are very objective indeed.
3. The fact that many people have called him a Turk hater is of no significance to you. You are sure that he isn’t, may be you caught him in bed with a Turk.
4. Read Niazi Kizilurek’s new book. There you will find the original document.
5. Rumours, what rumours? Go to the PIO and obtain some copies of his newspaper “Kirikas”. There you will find the exact number of Ativan tablets the late Kyprianou took on a daily basis, according to your protégé.
6. That is a new line of approach. Previous;y you flatly denied that Papadopoulos said “partition is the next best solution” in Helsinki. This is an improvement, I must admit.
7. Klerides and Vasiliou put Cyprus in the EU, so you could at least show some respect.
8. I still say we need as many friends as we can get. It’s so cocky to say that we do not need such friends.
9. He is not respected; remember Chirac’s “Papa qui”?
10. So he does not accept the A plan! Did he not say that it is accepted as a basis for negotiations? Or should we believe his generals in his party who openly say we should move away from the dreaded plan? Reveal his cards? But, he said that those that need to know, know!
11. The prerequisites are there to stall the talks. It is a classic example of GC policy. It has been tried so many times before.
12. Yiannakis Nikolaou, Pomilorides etc, do you need more proof?
13. He called the people that voted “no” nenekides, meaning traitors.
14. So, you adopt the ridiculous accusations. Those you call salesmen must be nenekides, ie traitors
15. During the EOKA era, using the pseudo name Defkalion, he authorised the murder of many leftists who were charged, surprise surprise of being traitors and paid agents.

[Piratis]

Last night I watched some part of the the Makis Triantafilopoulos (one of the top journalists in Greece) programme on TV.

He had evidence that several people (journalists and others) were getting paid by CIA to support the American positions in a number of matters that include the Iraq war and the Annan plan.

Stop hiding Bananiot, the only ones that believe you are the ones who pay you to do the job and the ones that benefit from your treasonous actions. You are trying to take advantage of the people that voted "yes" and turn them against the majority in order to create more problems for Cyprus. The divide and rule methods of your employers are well known. However I am sure you will fail, because the 99% of people that voted "yes" have nothing to do with people like you.

[Bananiot]

Stop talking rubbish Piratis. If your judgement on the Cyprob is the same as your judgement as to what constitutes a top journalist, then I can see clearly why you support Papadopoulos. Triantafillopoullos a top journalist! You do not have a clue! He is the journalist that writes gossip collumns and spreads rumours which feed the conspiracy theory hungry Greeks till their stomach is bloated.

[Piratis]

I and most Cypriots have more clue than CIA would like us to have. This is why your attempts failed, and they will fail again.

I took political science courses in a US college and the role of CIA and its involvement in many countries in the world was considered a fact beyond any doubt.

Tell your bosses that they can spent as many 100s of thousands dollars as they want in order to overthrown Papadopoulos and pave the way for a puppet government in Cyprus through Annan kind of plans but they will fail over and over again. Investment on people like you is a waste of money for them.

[Bananiot]

Fine, I will send them an e-mail right away. So you know all about the CIA Piratis, and you learned about this notorious organisation while studying in the USA! I suppose, if you were studying in the USSR you would learn all about the KGB. And, you seriously believe that if the CIA wanted our downfall all these years, Cyprus would still exist as an independent state. Oh, I forgot the Intelligent Service and the Mossad. I am sure you have them in your black list too.

Grow up Piratis!

[Piratis]

Bananiot, we told you: we are not buying your crap.

And, you seriously believe that if the CIA wanted our downfall all these years, Cyprus would still exist as an independent state.

Cyprus exists as a defacto partitioned island with huge British military bases and UK/American listening stations.

Sure, what the British/Americans want is the good of Cypriots and what they are interested in is not the control of Cyprus, their military presence here, and their listening stations to spy the whole middle east.

Go to one of those homes for people with mental disabilities. You might be able to convince those that the involvement of British/Americans in Cyprus doesn't have as only aim to serve their own interests.

[cannedmoose]

Pirati, do you actually have any real evidence that Bananiot is a paid subversive?

Finally Ultrastar, I think it's incorrect to claim that people based outside Cyprus have less of a clue about the consequences and pain of division than those actually living there. The big difference that I'd point out is that we're not subject to the constant bombardment of propaganda through the Cyprus media machine and via what I call the 'Cyprus jungle telegraph' (gossiping), so we're able to bring some objectivity to things. I'm British, but have a Cypriot wife and a large Cypriot family to boot, many of whom lost their homes in 1974 and some of whom lost brothers due to Turkish bombing of their bases.

For sure, I don't live with the pain of division everyday, having to drive into Lefkosia and see the huge TRNC flag and slogans on the mountainsides, but I understand it totally. A picture of my wife's uncle (killed 2 weeks before he was due to have been discharged) by a Turkish aircraft when it destroyed his tank) stares down at me from the top of the stairs each day reminding me of the tragedy of Cyprus. On the anniversary of his death each year, we burn incense and candles in his memory. Many Cypriot families (both GC and TC) in the UK have such pictures of dead relatives, so the pain is a universal one, not just isolated on the island itself.

I know you didn't say it to offend people, but I think to say you can only understand the Cyprus problem if you actually live there is a bit of a fallacy mate. No offence intended from me either, just to make that clear.

[ultrastar]

It strikes me, Bananiot et al are so keen to retaliate in here, but they chose to safely avoid responding to mast last couple of posts. Simply because they don't have a case to make.

[Saint Jimmy]

It strikes me, Bananiot et al are so keen to retaliate in here, but they chose to safely avoid responding to mast last couple of posts. Simply because they don't have a case to make.

I don't know if 'et al' includes me, but I didn't respond to your post because I didn't like your tone, and I thought I wouldn't be able to carry out constructive dialogue with you on that basis. I believe you could have made the same arguments on a much friendlier note.
As for the answers you seek so desperately, I have some (only 'some', as I don't consider myself an authority on the subject matter), and they are mostly in favour of your arguments... No one has ever claimed the A-Plan is perfect, by any stretch of the imagination. You are right there.
But, as I said, your tone isn't helping, and I fail to see how throwing in a 'don't take it personally' saves it.

Sorry to be so crude.