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[denizaksulu]

human rights at your motherland .....

human rights from boomerangland

Human rights in Greece are observed by various organizations. The country is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights, the Geneva Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the United Nations Convention Against Torture. The Greek constitution also guarantees fundamental human rights to all Greek citizens.

Amnesty International and other human rights groups have accused the various governments of Greece of varying degrees of human rights abuses, which were highest during the periods of rule by dictatorship, most recently 1967 to 1974.

According to Amnesty International's 2007 report on Greece, there are problems in the following areas:

Treatment of migrants and refugees.
Treatment of conscientious objectors to military service.
Failure to grant necessary protection to women victims of domestic violence or trafficking and forced prostitution.
The report also highlights cases involving arbitrary arrests in the context of the 'war on terror' and Greece's conviction by the European Court of Human Rights for violating Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights by convicting an unofficial mufti of the for 'usurping the function of a minister of a "known religion"'.
The US Department of State's 2007 report on human rights in Greece identified the following issues:

Cases of abuse by security forces, particularly of illegal immigrants and Roma.
Overcrowding and harsh conditions in some prisons.
Detention of undocumented migrants in squalid conditions.
Restrictions on freedom of speech.
Restrictions and administrative obstacles faced by members of non‑Orthodox religions.
Detention and deportation of unaccompanied or separated immigrant minors, including asylum seekers.
Domestic violence against women.
Trafficking in persons.
Limits on the ability of ethnic minority groups to self-identify, and discrimination against and social exclusion of ethnic minorities, particularly Roma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Greece

need more ....... what we can get from it . nothing ........

our main subject must be Cyprus ...... Not Turkey ......

Hudey Hudey ..................................

You seem to forget that is is Turkey that is illegally occupying Cyprus. It is Turkey that is dividing the Cypriot people.

And ultimately, a solution in Cyprus is totally dependant on whether Turkey considers it within her interests. A solution is totally dependant on Turkey itself.

Halil, I could very easily respond to you with links about the countless violations of human rights by Turkey. So please do not tempt me.

For now I will refrain so that this thread does not turn into a slinging match.

What you suggest is the best option Bafidis. Any number of vieo clips can be posted. Like Halil retaliating to idiotic clips posted. As Halil says, one should look at their own doorstep before mud slinging. If I were Halil, I would have resisted the temptation of retaliation, bthat was his option.

Yes, these always get out of hand and to what purpose. Some people like to mock, humiliate etc etc. It holds no water with me. What a playground. Full of bullies. Yippeee.

[Paphitis]

human rights at your motherland .....

human rights from boomerangland

Human rights in Greece are observed by various organizations. The country is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights, the Geneva Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the United Nations Convention Against Torture. The Greek constitution also guarantees fundamental human rights to all Greek citizens.

Amnesty International and other human rights groups have accused the various governments of Greece of varying degrees of human rights abuses, which were highest during the periods of rule by dictatorship, most recently 1967 to 1974.

According to Amnesty International's 2007 report on Greece, there are problems in the following areas:

Treatment of migrants and refugees.
Treatment of conscientious objectors to military service.
Failure to grant necessary protection to women victims of domestic violence or trafficking and forced prostitution.
The report also highlights cases involving arbitrary arrests in the context of the 'war on terror' and Greece's conviction by the European Court of Human Rights for violating Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights by convicting an unofficial mufti of the for 'usurping the function of a minister of a "known religion"'.
The US Department of State's 2007 report on human rights in Greece identified the following issues:

Cases of abuse by security forces, particularly of illegal immigrants and Roma.
Overcrowding and harsh conditions in some prisons.
Detention of undocumented migrants in squalid conditions.
Restrictions on freedom of speech.
Restrictions and administrative obstacles faced by members of non‑Orthodox religions.
Detention and deportation of unaccompanied or separated immigrant minors, including asylum seekers.
Domestic violence against women.
Trafficking in persons.
Limits on the ability of ethnic minority groups to self-identify, and discrimination against and social exclusion of ethnic minorities, particularly Roma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Greece

need more ....... what we can get from it . nothing ........

our main subject must be Cyprus ...... Not Turkey ......

Hudey Hudey ..................................

You seem to forget that is is Turkey that is illegally occupying Cyprus. It is Turkey that is dividing the Cypriot people.

And ultimately, a solution in Cyprus is totally dependant on whether Turkey considers it within her interests. A solution is totally dependant on Turkey itself.

Halil, I could very easily respond to you with links about the countless violations of human rights by Turkey. So please do not tempt me.

For now I will refrain so that this thread does not turn into a slinging match.

What you suggest is the best option Bafidis. Any number of vieo clips can be posted. Like Halil retaliating to idiotic clips posted. As Halil says, one should look at their own doorstep before mud slinging. If I were Halil, I would have resisted the temptation of retaliation, bthat was his option.

Yes, these always get out of hand and to what purpose. Some people like to mock, humiliate etc etc. It holds no water with me. What a playground. Full of bullies. Yippeee.

Eric is a fine example of that.

Deniz you are always in the background and tend not to say much.

I have a question for you. In your opinion, what solution do you think Cypriots can achieve and what type of solution are you in favour of?

[denizaksulu]

human rights at your motherland .....

human rights from boomerangland

Human rights in Greece are observed by various organizations. The country is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights, the Geneva Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the United Nations Convention Against Torture. The Greek constitution also guarantees fundamental human rights to all Greek citizens.

Amnesty International and other human rights groups have accused the various governments of Greece of varying degrees of human rights abuses, which were highest during the periods of rule by dictatorship, most recently 1967 to 1974.

According to Amnesty International's 2007 report on Greece, there are problems in the following areas:

Treatment of migrants and refugees.
Treatment of conscientious objectors to military service.
Failure to grant necessary protection to women victims of domestic violence or trafficking and forced prostitution.
The report also highlights cases involving arbitrary arrests in the context of the 'war on terror' and Greece's conviction by the European Court of Human Rights for violating Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights by convicting an unofficial mufti of the for 'usurping the function of a minister of a "known religion"'.
The US Department of State's 2007 report on human rights in Greece identified the following issues:

Cases of abuse by security forces, particularly of illegal immigrants and Roma.
Overcrowding and harsh conditions in some prisons.
Detention of undocumented migrants in squalid conditions.
Restrictions on freedom of speech.
Restrictions and administrative obstacles faced by members of non‑Orthodox religions.
Detention and deportation of unaccompanied or separated immigrant minors, including asylum seekers.
Domestic violence against women.
Trafficking in persons.
Limits on the ability of ethnic minority groups to self-identify, and discrimination against and social exclusion of ethnic minorities, particularly Roma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Greece

need more ....... what we can get from it . nothing ........

our main subject must be Cyprus ...... Not Turkey ......

Hudey Hudey ..................................

You seem to forget that is is Turkey that is illegally occupying Cyprus. It is Turkey that is dividing the Cypriot people.

And ultimately, a solution in Cyprus is totally dependant on whether Turkey considers it within her interests. A solution is totally dependant on Turkey itself.

Halil, I could very easily respond to you with links about the countless violations of human rights by Turkey. So please do not tempt me.

For now I will refrain so that this thread does not turn into a slinging match.

What you suggest is the best option Bafidis. Any number of vieo clips can be posted. Like Halil retaliating to idiotic clips posted. As Halil says, one should look at their own doorstep before mud slinging. If I were Halil, I would have resisted the temptation of retaliation, bthat was his option.

Yes, these always get out of hand and to what purpose. Some people like to mock, humiliate etc etc. It holds no water with me. What a playground. Full of bullies. Yippeee.

Eric is a fine example of that.

Deniz you are always in the background and tend not to say much.

I have a question for you. In your opinion, what solution do you think Cypriots can achieve and what type of solution are you in favour of?

Has this question ever been asked before?

[Paphitis]

human rights at your motherland .....

human rights from boomerangland

Human rights in Greece are observed by various organizations. The country is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights, the Geneva Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the United Nations Convention Against Torture. The Greek constitution also guarantees fundamental human rights to all Greek citizens.

Amnesty International and other human rights groups have accused the various governments of Greece of varying degrees of human rights abuses, which were highest during the periods of rule by dictatorship, most recently 1967 to 1974.

According to Amnesty International's 2007 report on Greece, there are problems in the following areas:

Treatment of migrants and refugees.
Treatment of conscientious objectors to military service.
Failure to grant necessary protection to women victims of domestic violence or trafficking and forced prostitution.
The report also highlights cases involving arbitrary arrests in the context of the 'war on terror' and Greece's conviction by the European Court of Human Rights for violating Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights by convicting an unofficial mufti of the for 'usurping the function of a minister of a "known religion"'.
The US Department of State's 2007 report on human rights in Greece identified the following issues:

Cases of abuse by security forces, particularly of illegal immigrants and Roma.
Overcrowding and harsh conditions in some prisons.
Detention of undocumented migrants in squalid conditions.
Restrictions on freedom of speech.
Restrictions and administrative obstacles faced by members of non‑Orthodox religions.
Detention and deportation of unaccompanied or separated immigrant minors, including asylum seekers.
Domestic violence against women.
Trafficking in persons.
Limits on the ability of ethnic minority groups to self-identify, and discrimination against and social exclusion of ethnic minorities, particularly Roma.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Greece

need more ....... what we can get from it . nothing ........

our main subject must be Cyprus ...... Not Turkey ......

Hudey Hudey ..................................

You seem to forget that is is Turkey that is illegally occupying Cyprus. It is Turkey that is dividing the Cypriot people.

And ultimately, a solution in Cyprus is totally dependant on whether Turkey considers it within her interests. A solution is totally dependant on Turkey itself.

Halil, I could very easily respond to you with links about the countless violations of human rights by Turkey. So please do not tempt me.

For now I will refrain so that this thread does not turn into a slinging match.

What you suggest is the best option Bafidis. Any number of vieo clips can be posted. Like Halil retaliating to idiotic clips posted. As Halil says, one should look at their own doorstep before mud slinging. If I were Halil, I would have resisted the temptation of retaliation, bthat was his option.

Yes, these always get out of hand and to what purpose. Some people like to mock, humiliate etc etc. It holds no water with me. What a playground. Full of bullies. Yippeee.

Eric is a fine example of that.

Deniz you are always in the background and tend not to say much.

I have a question for you. In your opinion, what solution do you think Cypriots can achieve and what type of solution are you in favour of?

Has this question ever been asked before?

Just want to encourage some healthy debate.

I am just interested in your opinion.

[denizaksulu]

I have a dream;

One that sees a united Cyprus. Where all ethnic groups can live together in harmony and peace with equal rights, but not a majority 'imposing' their will on other groups. This seems a bone of contention with all groups as it involves a better definitio of so called 'democracy'.

I would like all refugees to be able to return to their homes/lands where practical, otherwise suitbly compensated.

For the short term I would like some sort of a 'guarantor power', if not Turkey/Greece/Uk then EU.

Total demilitarisatio of the island (if practical)

The fine details I would leave to the politicians/negotiators.

If none of these are agreed upon then my dream will evaporate and will have to settle for kind of BBF. Which imo will not take place as there will be many discontets who will carry on the '.struggle'.

That failing, it will have to be partition. My last resort.

I love my home as a whole and not bisected.

So there you are.

Now watch the fireworks.

[wallace]

Many people have your dream deniz

[DT.]

I have a dream;

One that sees a united Cyprus. Where all ethnic groups can live together in harmony and peace with equal rights, but not a majority 'imposing' their will on other groups. This seems a bone of contention with all groups as it involves a better definitio of so called 'democracy'.

I would like all refugees to be able to return to their homes/lands where practical, otherwise suitbly compensated.

For the short term I would like some sort of a 'guarantor power', if not Turkey/Greece/Uk then EU.

Total demilitarisatio of the island (if practical)

The fine details I would leave to the politicians/negotiators.

If none of these are agreed upon then my dream will evaporate and will have to settle for kind of BBF. Which imo will not take place as there will be many discontets who will carry on the '.struggle'.

That failing, it will have to be partition. My last resort.

I love my home as a whole and not bisected.

So there you are.

Now watch the fireworks.

The majority imposed their will on us when the "proletariat" elected Christofias....why should you be any different?

[Paphitis]

I have a dream;

One that sees a united Cyprus. Where all ethnic groups can live together in harmony and peace with equal rights, but not a majority 'imposing' their will on other groups. This seems a bone of contention with all groups as it involves a better definitio of so called 'democracy'.

I would like all refugees to be able to return to their homes/lands where practical, otherwise suitbly compensated.

For the short term I would like some sort of a 'guarantor power', if not Turkey/Greece/Uk then EU.

Total demilitarisatio of the island (if practical)

The fine details I would leave to the politicians/negotiators.

If none of these are agreed upon then my dream will evaporate and will have to settle for kind of BBF. Which imo will not take place as there will be many discontets who will carry on the '.struggle'.

That failing, it will have to be partition. My last resort.

I love my home as a whole and not bisected.

So there you are.

Now watch the fireworks.

I have very similar views. Guarantors from Turkey or Greece are not desirable for understandable reasons. The EU, UK or UN would be preferable for a short term. I will have to elaborate further at another time.

Thank you for sharing your dream with me.

As for now, I must say good night as it is time for me to retire.

I hope there are no fireworks for you.

[denizaksulu]

I have a dream;

One that sees a united Cyprus. Where all ethnic groups can live together in harmony and peace with equal rights, but not a majority 'imposing' their will on other groups. This seems a bone of contention with all groups as it involves a better definitio of so called 'democracy'.

I would like all refugees to be able to return to their homes/lands where practical, otherwise suitbly compensated.

For the short term I would like some sort of a 'guarantor power', if not Turkey/Greece/Uk then EU.

Total demilitarisatio of the island (if practical)

The fine details I would leave to the politicians/negotiators.

If none of these are agreed upon then my dream will evaporate and will have to settle for kind of BBF. Which imo will not take place as there will be many discontets who will carry on the '.struggle'.

That failing, it will have to be partition. My last resort.

I love my home as a whole and not bisected.

So there you are.

Now watch the fireworks.

The majority imposed their will on us when the "proletariat" elected Christofias....why should you be any different?

A fine example of the kind of people I talk about regarding 'democracy'.
The kind of people which will destroy our island and keep it divided.

DT, if thats what you want you will not achieve it with Partition. It seems you are eager to split the island. No TC politician will give YOU hegemony over us with that attitude. You are better off 'negotiating' this point. From what I see on the forum, this is a major stumbling block.

[DT.]

I have a dream;

One that sees a united Cyprus. Where all ethnic groups can live together in harmony and peace with equal rights, but not a majority 'imposing' their will on other groups. This seems a bone of contention with all groups as it involves a better definitio of so called 'democracy'.

I would like all refugees to be able to return to their homes/lands where practical, otherwise suitbly compensated.

For the short term I would like some sort of a 'guarantor power', if not Turkey/Greece/Uk then EU.

Total demilitarisatio of the island (if practical)

The fine details I would leave to the politicians/negotiators.

If none of these are agreed upon then my dream will evaporate and will have to settle for kind of BBF. Which imo will not take place as there will be many discontets who will carry on the '.struggle'.

That failing, it will have to be partition. My last resort.

I love my home as a whole and not bisected.

So there you are.

Now watch the fireworks.

The majority imposed their will on us when the "proletariat" elected Christofias....why should you be any different?

A fine example of the kind of people I talk about regarding 'democracy'.
The kind of people which will destroy our island and keep it divided.

DT, if thats what you want you will not achieve it with Partition. It seems you are eager to split the island. No TC politician will give YOU hegemony over us with that attitude. You are better off 'negotiating' this point. From what I see on the forum, this is a major stumbling block.

huh?
I made a remark about our new president. I'm not sure what you've taken it to mean.

If you mean that I believe in democracy in the sense of one person one vote then yes thats right. I do also believe that special clauses should be sidelined to require seprate majorities in matters that concern only the TC community.

I also do not believe in 2 racially pure zones