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I lived in the Turkish city of Izmit for a long time. Large numbers of migrants from Western Thrace have settled here. Half the taxi drivers in Izmit seem to hail from that part of Thrace. I have known quite a few of these people, and their attitudes towards Greece and Greek people are quite complex and contradictory, as is their sense of identity. They certainly do not spend all their time foul-mouthing Greece in a way that fanatic Turkish nationalists probaly imagine.

I remember my suprise when I learnt that a woman who came from Ξάνθη/İskeçe and had married a local Turkish national and who I knew to be expecting her first child, had returned to her parents' home in Greece to give birth there. I later questioned her as to her motives, and she said she would prefer her child to have Greek nationality - this was probably for instrumental reasons such as the ability to travel freely within Europe. Even so, this points to the deep dichotomy that runs through the psyche of these people.

Even in the nineties, I frequently recall arguing to these migrants that they were oppressed in Greece, and they would smile and tell me, 'The Greek government made a big mistake in the way they treated us, but they are now rectifying this.' I myself visted Ξάνθη/İskeçe in 2003, and found many shops and restaurants there where I could speak Turkish. Try using Greek in shops and restaurants in Istanbul today - a city where once almost every corner shop was run by Greek or Armenian speakers.

This is not a black or white issue. It should not be turned into a vehicle for propaganda by fanatic nationalists.

On a recent trip to Istanbul down one of its busiest streets you could hear the sound of Greek Music coming from a record shop which everyone was was enjoying, the frienship between Turks and Greeks today is much stronger than it ever was, you appeat to have preconcieved ideas of how Turks view Greeks which is totally wrong, in 2008 they have progressed and are working together, its us that are the problem theres absolutely no trust and the chasm is getting wider everday.

My dear fellow, I have no preconceived ideas whatsoever. I lived amongst Turks for may years. My attack on fanatic nationalists was directed at the foul-mouthed bigot who started this thread, not at Turks in general. However, it is a sad fact that the events of 5/6 September 1955 eliminated in a single stroke small businesses owned by members of non-Muslim minorities from the streets of Istanbul for ever.

Its called history happens all over the world, today is a result of the past.

[DT.]

I lived in the Turkish city of Izmit for a long time. Large numbers of migrants from Western Thrace have settled here. Half the taxi drivers in Izmit seem to hail from that part of Thrace. I have known quite a few of these people, and their attitudes towards Greece and Greek people are quite complex and contradictory, as is their sense of identity. They certainly do not spend all their time foul-mouthing Greece in a way that fanatic Turkish nationalists probaly imagine.

I remember my suprise when I learnt that a woman who came from Ξάνθη/İskeçe and had married a local Turkish national and who I knew to be expecting her first child, had returned to her parents' home in Greece to give birth there. I later questioned her as to her motives, and she said she would prefer her child to have Greek nationality - this was probably for instrumental reasons such as the ability to travel freely within Europe. Even so, this points to the deep dichotomy that runs through the psyche of these people.

Even in the nineties, I frequently recall arguing to these migrants that they were oppressed in Greece, and they would smile and tell me, 'The Greek government made a big mistake in the way they treated us, but they are now rectifying this.' I myself visted Ξάνθη/İskeçe in 2003, and found many shops and restaurants there where I could speak Turkish. Try using Greek in shops and restaurants in Istanbul today - a city where once almost every corner shop was run by Greek or Armenian speakers.

This is not a black or white issue. It should not be turned into a vehicle for propaganda by fanatic nationalists.

On a recent trip to Istanbul down one of its busiest streets you could hear the sound of Greek Music coming from a record shop which everyone was was enjoying, the frienship between Turks and Greeks today is much stronger than it ever was, you appeat to have preconcieved ideas of how Turks view Greeks which is totally wrong, in 2008 they have progressed and are working together, its us that are the problem theres absolutely no trust and the chasm is getting wider everday.

My dear fellow, I have no preconceived ideas whatsoever. I lived amongst Turks for may years. My attack on fanatic nationalists was directed at the foul-mouthed bigot who started this thread, not at Turks in general. However, it is a sad fact that the events of 5/6 September 1955 eliminated in a single stroke small businesses owned by members of non-Muslim minorities from the streets of Istanbul for ever.

Its called history happens all over the world, today is a result of the past.

strange how your history always ends with someone getting eliminated.

[Tim Drayton]

"Its called history happens all over the world, today is a result of the past."

OK, but unless you are prepared to condemn an outrage committed against Greeks in Istanbul, what moral basis to you have for criiticising the way Turks in Western Thrace are treated?

[denizaksulu]

I lived in the Turkish city of Izmit for a long time. Large numbers of migrants from Western Thrace have settled here. Half the taxi drivers in Izmit seem to hail from that part of Thrace. I have known quite a few of these people, and their attitudes towards Greece and Greek people are quite complex and contradictory, as is their sense of identity. They certainly do not spend all their time foul-mouthing Greece in a way that fanatic Turkish nationalists probaly imagine.

I remember my suprise when I learnt that a woman who came from Ξάνθη/İskeçe and had married a local Turkish national and who I knew to be expecting her first child, had returned to her parents' home in Greece to give birth there. I later questioned her as to her motives, and she said she would prefer her child to have Greek nationality - this was probably for instrumental reasons such as the ability to travel freely within Europe. Even so, this points to the deep dichotomy that runs through the psyche of these people.

Even in the nineties, I frequently recall arguing to these migrants that they were oppressed in Greece, and they would smile and tell me, 'The Greek government made a big mistake in the way they treated us, but they are now rectifying this.' I myself visted Ξάνθη/İskeçe in 2003, and found many shops and restaurants there where I could speak Turkish. Try using Greek in shops and restaurants in Istanbul today - a city where once almost every corner shop was run by Greek or Armenian speakers.

This is not a black or white issue. It should not be turned into a vehicle for propaganda by fanatic nationalists.

On a recent trip to Istanbul down one of its busiest streets you could hear the sound of Greek Music coming from a record shop which everyone was was enjoying, the frienship between Turks and Greeks today is much stronger than it ever was, you appeat to have preconcieved ideas of how Turks view Greeks which is totally wrong, in 2008 they have progressed and are working together, its us that are the problem theres absolutely no trust and the chasm is getting wider everday.

My dear fellow, I have no preconceived ideas whatsoever. I lived amongst Turks for may years. My attack on fanatic nationalists was directed at the foul-mouthed bigot who started this thread, not at Turks in general. However, it is a sad fact that the events of 5/6 September 1955 eliminated in a single stroke small businesses owned by members of non-Muslim minorities from the streets of Istanbul for ever.

Its called history happens all over the world, today is a result of the past.

strange how your history always ends with someone getting eliminated.

Like whole families 'eliminated' in Mutataga and Sandallar.

[zan]

When will these people learn that their history is just as blighted as any one on this earth.......Soon my patience will run out and the googling will start and then they can defend their racist crap....

[DT.]

I lived in the Turkish city of Izmit for a long time. Large numbers of migrants from Western Thrace have settled here. Half the taxi drivers in Izmit seem to hail from that part of Thrace. I have known quite a few of these people, and their attitudes towards Greece and Greek people are quite complex and contradictory, as is their sense of identity. They certainly do not spend all their time foul-mouthing Greece in a way that fanatic Turkish nationalists probaly imagine.

I remember my suprise when I learnt that a woman who came from Ξάνθη/İskeçe and had married a local Turkish national and who I knew to be expecting her first child, had returned to her parents' home in Greece to give birth there. I later questioned her as to her motives, and she said she would prefer her child to have Greek nationality - this was probably for instrumental reasons such as the ability to travel freely within Europe. Even so, this points to the deep dichotomy that runs through the psyche of these people.

Even in the nineties, I frequently recall arguing to these migrants that they were oppressed in Greece, and they would smile and tell me, 'The Greek government made a big mistake in the way they treated us, but they are now rectifying this.' I myself visted Ξάνθη/İskeçe in 2003, and found many shops and restaurants there where I could speak Turkish. Try using Greek in shops and restaurants in Istanbul today - a city where once almost every corner shop was run by Greek or Armenian speakers.

This is not a black or white issue. It should not be turned into a vehicle for propaganda by fanatic nationalists.

On a recent trip to Istanbul down one of its busiest streets you could hear the sound of Greek Music coming from a record shop which everyone was was enjoying, the frienship between Turks and Greeks today is much stronger than it ever was, you appeat to have preconcieved ideas of how Turks view Greeks which is totally wrong, in 2008 they have progressed and are working together, its us that are the problem theres absolutely no trust and the chasm is getting wider everday.

My dear fellow, I have no preconceived ideas whatsoever. I lived amongst Turks for may years. My attack on fanatic nationalists was directed at the foul-mouthed bigot who started this thread, not at Turks in general. However, it is a sad fact that the events of 5/6 September 1955 eliminated in a single stroke small businesses owned by members of non-Muslim minorities from the streets of Istanbul for ever.

Its called history happens all over the world, today is a result of the past.

strange how your history always ends with someone getting eliminated.

Like whole families 'eliminated' in Mutataga and Sandallar.

How many villages were the GC inhabitants eliminated from in 74 Deniz? You give me 2 villages, I give you the entire north of the island.

[zan]

I lived in the Turkish city of Izmit for a long time. Large numbers of migrants from Western Thrace have settled here. Half the taxi drivers in Izmit seem to hail from that part of Thrace. I have known quite a few of these people, and their attitudes towards Greece and Greek people are quite complex and contradictory, as is their sense of identity. They certainly do not spend all their time foul-mouthing Greece in a way that fanatic Turkish nationalists probaly imagine.

I remember my suprise when I learnt that a woman who came from Ξάνθη/İskeçe and had married a local Turkish national and who I knew to be expecting her first child, had returned to her parents' home in Greece to give birth there. I later questioned her as to her motives, and she said she would prefer her child to have Greek nationality - this was probably for instrumental reasons such as the ability to travel freely within Europe. Even so, this points to the deep dichotomy that runs through the psyche of these people.

Even in the nineties, I frequently recall arguing to these migrants that they were oppressed in Greece, and they would smile and tell me, 'The Greek government made a big mistake in the way they treated us, but they are now rectifying this.' I myself visted Ξάνθη/İskeçe in 2003, and found many shops and restaurants there where I could speak Turkish. Try using Greek in shops and restaurants in Istanbul today - a city where once almost every corner shop was run by Greek or Armenian speakers.

This is not a black or white issue. It should not be turned into a vehicle for propaganda by fanatic nationalists.

On a recent trip to Istanbul down one of its busiest streets you could hear the sound of Greek Music coming from a record shop which everyone was was enjoying, the frienship between Turks and Greeks today is much stronger than it ever was, you appeat to have preconcieved ideas of how Turks view Greeks which is totally wrong, in 2008 they have progressed and are working together, its us that are the problem theres absolutely no trust and the chasm is getting wider everday.

My dear fellow, I have no preconceived ideas whatsoever. I lived amongst Turks for may years. My attack on fanatic nationalists was directed at the foul-mouthed bigot who started this thread, not at Turks in general. However, it is a sad fact that the events of 5/6 September 1955 eliminated in a single stroke small businesses owned by members of non-Muslim minorities from the streets of Istanbul for ever.

Its called history happens all over the world, today is a result of the past.

strange how your history always ends with someone getting eliminated.

Like whole families 'eliminated' in Mutataga and Sandallar.

How many villages were the GC inhabitants eliminated from in 74 Deniz? You give me 2 villages, I give you the entire north of the island.

And I give you the entire TC people......Pushed into 3% of their own island at gun point with the GCs hoping that they are pushed into the sea.....

[DT.]

I lived in the Turkish city of Izmit for a long time. Large numbers of migrants from Western Thrace have settled here. Half the taxi drivers in Izmit seem to hail from that part of Thrace. I have known quite a few of these people, and their attitudes towards Greece and Greek people are quite complex and contradictory, as is their sense of identity. They certainly do not spend all their time foul-mouthing Greece in a way that fanatic Turkish nationalists probaly imagine.

I remember my suprise when I learnt that a woman who came from Ξάνθη/İskeçe and had married a local Turkish national and who I knew to be expecting her first child, had returned to her parents' home in Greece to give birth there. I later questioned her as to her motives, and she said she would prefer her child to have Greek nationality - this was probably for instrumental reasons such as the ability to travel freely within Europe. Even so, this points to the deep dichotomy that runs through the psyche of these people.

Even in the nineties, I frequently recall arguing to these migrants that they were oppressed in Greece, and they would smile and tell me, 'The Greek government made a big mistake in the way they treated us, but they are now rectifying this.' I myself visted Ξάνθη/İskeçe in 2003, and found many shops and restaurants there where I could speak Turkish. Try using Greek in shops and restaurants in Istanbul today - a city where once almost every corner shop was run by Greek or Armenian speakers.

This is not a black or white issue. It should not be turned into a vehicle for propaganda by fanatic nationalists.

On a recent trip to Istanbul down one of its busiest streets you could hear the sound of Greek Music coming from a record shop which everyone was was enjoying, the frienship between Turks and Greeks today is much stronger than it ever was, you appeat to have preconcieved ideas of how Turks view Greeks which is totally wrong, in 2008 they have progressed and are working together, its us that are the problem theres absolutely no trust and the chasm is getting wider everday.

My dear fellow, I have no preconceived ideas whatsoever. I lived amongst Turks for may years. My attack on fanatic nationalists was directed at the foul-mouthed bigot who started this thread, not at Turks in general. However, it is a sad fact that the events of 5/6 September 1955 eliminated in a single stroke small businesses owned by members of non-Muslim minorities from the streets of Istanbul for ever.

Its called history happens all over the world, today is a result of the past.

strange how your history always ends with someone getting eliminated.

Like whole families 'eliminated' in Mutataga and Sandallar.

How many villages were the GC inhabitants eliminated from in 74 Deniz? You give me 2 villages, I give you the entire north of the island.

And I give you the entire TC people......Pushed into 3% of their own island at gun point with the GCs hoping that they are pushed into the sea.....

HEY ZAN WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PROVE YOU WRONG ABOUT THE 3% CRAP AGAIN? iTS TAKEN FROM WWW.GREEKMURDERERS.NET. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START QUOTING?

[zan]

I lived in the Turkish city of Izmit for a long time. Large numbers of migrants from Western Thrace have settled here. Half the taxi drivers in Izmit seem to hail from that part of Thrace. I have known quite a few of these people, and their attitudes towards Greece and Greek people are quite complex and contradictory, as is their sense of identity. They certainly do not spend all their time foul-mouthing Greece in a way that fanatic Turkish nationalists probaly imagine.

I remember my suprise when I learnt that a woman who came from Ξάνθη/İskeçe and had married a local Turkish national and who I knew to be expecting her first child, had returned to her parents' home in Greece to give birth there. I later questioned her as to her motives, and she said she would prefer her child to have Greek nationality - this was probably for instrumental reasons such as the ability to travel freely within Europe. Even so, this points to the deep dichotomy that runs through the psyche of these people.

Even in the nineties, I frequently recall arguing to these migrants that they were oppressed in Greece, and they would smile and tell me, 'The Greek government made a big mistake in the way they treated us, but they are now rectifying this.' I myself visted Ξάνθη/İskeçe in 2003, and found many shops and restaurants there where I could speak Turkish. Try using Greek in shops and restaurants in Istanbul today - a city where once almost every corner shop was run by Greek or Armenian speakers.

This is not a black or white issue. It should not be turned into a vehicle for propaganda by fanatic nationalists.

On a recent trip to Istanbul down one of its busiest streets you could hear the sound of Greek Music coming from a record shop which everyone was was enjoying, the frienship between Turks and Greeks today is much stronger than it ever was, you appeat to have preconcieved ideas of how Turks view Greeks which is totally wrong, in 2008 they have progressed and are working together, its us that are the problem theres absolutely no trust and the chasm is getting wider everday.

My dear fellow, I have no preconceived ideas whatsoever. I lived amongst Turks for may years. My attack on fanatic nationalists was directed at the foul-mouthed bigot who started this thread, not at Turks in general. However, it is a sad fact that the events of 5/6 September 1955 eliminated in a single stroke small businesses owned by members of non-Muslim minorities from the streets of Istanbul for ever.

Its called history happens all over the world, today is a result of the past.

strange how your history always ends with someone getting eliminated.

Like whole families 'eliminated' in Mutataga and Sandallar.

How many villages were the GC inhabitants eliminated from in 74 Deniz? You give me 2 villages, I give you the entire north of the island.

And I give you the entire TC people......Pushed into 3% of their own island at gun point with the GCs hoping that they are pushed into the sea.....

HEY ZAN WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PROVE YOU WRONG ABOUT THE 3% CRAP AGAIN? iTS TAKEN FROM WWW.GREEKMURDERERS.NET. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START QUOTING?

Quoted by your own ex-president sweet heart.......

[DT.]

here we go then. Ladies and gentlemen I give you Zan's research site. Please compare the red parts in the map with the 3% quote underneath. Think you'll find a slight mistake there.

http://www.greekmurderers.net./index.ph ... &Itemid=18

sweetie