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[Paphitis]

There is many Greek Orthadox schools in Turkey, but in Greece there is very few Turkish schools or none. .

By Greek Law endorsed by the High Court of Greece there are no Turks in Greece ONLY Muslim Greeks so there can't be any Turkish Schools in Greece Nil.

Displaced and Disregarded
Turkey's Failing Village Return Program
The Turkish government, security forces and paramilitaries are obstructing the return of hundreds of thousands of displaced villagers to their homes in the formerly war-torn southeast. This 78-page report documents the plight of mainly Kurdish villagers forced to flee their villages in southeastern Turkey during the 15-year conflict waged between the illegal, armed Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK) and Turkish government forces. Estimates of the number of displaced people range from 380,000 to 1,000,000, most of whom were forced out of their homes by Turkish security forces and paramilitary village guards determined to deprive the PKK of access to food, shelter and recruits. Human Rights Watch interviewed dozens of displaced villagers who longed to return home and escape cramped and impoverished lives in unfamiliar urban surroundings. But although active hostilities ceased in 1999, it appears that no more than ten percent have ventured home. Human Rights Watch identified a range of factors blocking return, from inadequate government assistance to continued violence by Turkish security forces and their paramilitaries. Human Rights Watch called on the Turkish government to engage with relevant international and nongovernmental organizations to develop and finance a new comprehensive return plan in line with international standards.

Source: Human Rights Watch.

You can talk tough boy.

Does what you posted change the fact about the Turks in Greece little man?

You got a back garden full of shite and you got the cheek to complain about others? MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

The Greeks of Turkey
The Greek community in Turkey is dwindling, elderly and frightened. Its population has declined from about 110,000 at the time of the signing of the Lausanne Treaty in 1923 to about 2,500 today. Its fear stems from an appalling history of pogroms and expulsions suffered at the hands of the Turkish government. A Helsinki Watch mission visited Turkey in October 1991 and found that the government there continues to violate the human rights of the Greek minority. These acts include harassment by police; restrictions on free expression; discrimination in education involving teachers, books and curriculum; restrictions on religious freedom; limitations on the right to control charitable institutions; and the denial of ethnic identity. All of these abuses violate international human rights laws and standards that have been signed or endorsed by the government of Turkey, including the European Convention on Human Rights and the Paris Charter. (from our “Denying Human Rights and Ethnic Identity” series)

Source: Human Rights Watch

Especially for you tough boy behind the computer screen. I can go on and on and on and on and on..........................................considering the sheer volume of Turkey's human rights violations.

[zan]

Does the EU know about this pinnacle that the great Greek race has reached and to stop trying to find definitions of it for EU standards????

[Paphitis]

Does the EU know about this pinnacle that the great Greek race has reached and to stop trying to find definitions of it for EU standards????

Greece can only aspire to Turkey's greatness. here is another example:

Nothing Unusual
The Torture of Children in Turkey
Helsinki Watch has documented scores of cases of torture in Turkey since 1982, and Turkish lawyers who represent detainees claim that police routinely torture between 80 and 90 percent of political suspects and about 50 percent of ordinary criminal suspects, including children. Nothing Unusual documents the torture of children under the age of eighteen in Turkey. It concludes that such torture takes place in police stations and is carried out by police during the interrogation of children accused of both criminal and political offenses. In addition, children are not allowed to see lawyers during their interrogations nor are their families notified by police of their whereabouts. It concludes with specific recommendations to end these appalling practices.

Source: Human Rights Watch.

Now speaking of pinnacles Zan...........................................

[Paphitis]

And here are more pinnacles of the Great Nation of Turkey:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay ... ink=117592


25.07.2007
News National

‘Kuvvacı’s plan to assassinate Bartholomew

Plans to assassinate Armenian Patriarch Mesrob Mutafyan, Fener Greek Patriarch Bartholomew and Turkish Jewish businessman İshak Alaton were found on a computer belonging to Bekir Öztürk, head of the National Forces Association (Kuvva-i Milliye).

According to the Gazeteport Internet news portal, the ultra-nationalist organization could have carried out these plans during the presidential election if either Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan or another Justice and Development Party (AK Party) member were to have been elected president.
The report said the assassination plans found on Öztürk’s computer were part of the ongoing Ümraniye investigation. It was noted that the public prosecutor’s office has demanded an increase in security measures from the Security General Directorate to protect Mutafyan, Bartholomew and Alaton.
After finding 27 hand grenades and other explosives in a slum house in the Ümraniye district of İstanbul, the security forces went on to raid Kuvva-i Milliye offices in Ankara, Konya, Bursa and Balıkesir over the past week. A total of five people, including Öztürk, have now been arrested in connection with the investigation.

Source: Zaman

[Paphitis]

And since we are on the subject of schools:

Turkish parliament tries to avoid reopening Orthodox seminary Turkey Orthodox School, 1st Ld-Writethru Turkish parliament tries to avoid reopening Orthodox seminary Eds: UPDATES thruout with details; CLARIFIES seminary remained open until 1985 By SELCAN HACAOGLU Associated Press Writer
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - Turkey's parliament on Thursday was divided over the wording of a resolution regarding minority schools, with opposition lawmakers fearing that it could allow a Greek Orthodox theology school closed 35 years ago to reopen.
Turkey has been resisting pressure from the European Union to reopen the Halki Theological School, on the Heybeliada island near Istanbul, which was closed to new students in 1971 under a law that put religious and military training under state control. The seminary remained open until 1985, when the last five students graduated.
On Wednesday, lawmakers from the ruling Justice and Development Party voted by hands to approve the resolution allowing foreign students to attend minority schools in Turkey, acting on a last minute request from the Foreign Ministry to allow children of foreigners living in the country to attend such schools.
But legislators from the opposition Republican People's Party strongly opposed the resolution, arguing that it would reopen the Orthodox seminary.
The opposition forced parliament to postpone the debate until Tuesday, to wait for clarification from the Foreign Ministry and Education Ministry.
Lawmakers from the ruling party argued Thursday that the resolution was restricted to the first eight grades and would not apply to the Orthodox seminary, which is a high school.
EU officials and the United States have repeatedly called on Turkey to open up the religious seminary that has trained generations of Orthodox leaders, including current Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew I, and restore property to minority Christian groups that was seized by the state after a decline in the size of their congregations.
The parliament is expected to address the property issue also next week. Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul has said reforms would address the problems of minority religious groups, such as Greeks and Armenians, but was not clear if they would allow the groups to reclaim property that has since been sold to other people.
The Halki school trained generations of church leaders, including Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, and Orthodox officials say the school's reopening is important for educating future leaders.
After the college closed, the Patriarchate tried to train future leaders of the church by sending them to theological schools abroad after they finished the high school here. But most never returned, something church officials complain starves them of possible new leaders.
The Orthodox leadership elected a young ecumenical patriarch intentionally in 1992, Bartholomew, who was only 51 at the time.
Under a 1923 treaty with Greece, the ecumenical patriarch must be a Turkish citizen. That was the condition set by Turkey for allowing the Patriarchate to remain in Istanbul.
Turkey has been accused of using its control over the Patriarchate in Istanbul as a weapon against Greek moves on the Muslim minority in Greece. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan recently complained about Greece's refusal to recognize the authority of a religious leader, or mufti, elected by local Muslims there.
The patriarchate in Istanbul dates from the 1,100-year-old Orthodox Greek Byzantine Empire, which collapsed when the Muslim Ottoman Turks conquered Constantinople, today's Istanbul, in 1453.
Istanbul-based Bartholomew I is the leader of the world's Orthodox Christians, although only a few thousand Greeks now live in Turkey. He also directly controls several Greek Orthodox churches around the world, including the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America.
But Turkey has long refused to accept any international role for the patriarch, a Turkish citizen and ethnic Greek, and rejects his use of the title ``ecumenical,'' or universal. It argues the patriarch is merely the spiritual leader of Istanbul's dwindling Orthodox community.
Turkey's desire to contain Bartholomew's influence to Istanbul stems from a deep mistrust many Turks feel toward the patriarchate because of its traditional ties with Greece, Turkey's historical regional rival.


Like I said I can go all day with Turkey's very impressive Human Rights rap sheet. I have not got to cyprus yet.

[Eric dayi]

The fact that you refer to people as 'idiots' just proves to us your lack of education.

Hey little bird ... fly away home

Are you accusing shahmaran of being uneducated for making those nasty remarks about Turkey ..... tut tut ....

Here's the source of your big mistake ....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17048

I think the mistake you are all making is that xxNilxx was not targetting Shahmarans statement only. I think xxNilxx is targetting all Turkey bashing posters lead by Oracle and Boomers etc. You all know all that. Maybe she has been reading all your posts before posting her feelings on the matter.

How funny that you all hate Shahmarans posts till you find a juicy bit to hang on to. Pathetic lot you all are.

A classic case of pretending to be your "friend"only ready to stub you right between the ribs at the very first chance they get. But alas some people are just too blind to see the reality and are prepared to unify with these "friends" and even let them rule over us.

They are pathetic, but more pathetic than them are those TCs who chose to side with the Greeks/GCs and pretend they are our (TCs) "friends" and claim to know what is best for us TCs.

[boomerang]

The fact that you refer to people as 'idiots' just proves to us your lack of education.

Hey little bird ... fly away home

Are you accusing shahmaran of being uneducated for making those nasty remarks about Turkey ..... tut tut ....

Here's the source of your big mistake ....

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17048

I think the mistake you are all making is that xxNilxx was not targetting Shahmarans statement only. I think xxNilxx is targetting all Turkey bashing posters lead by Oracle and Boomers etc. You all know all that. Maybe she has been reading all your posts before posting her feelings on the matter.

How funny that you all hate Shahmarans posts till you find a juicy bit to hang on to. Pathetic lot you all are.

Hmmm...I see you are wearing your spine support blouze Mr Spineless...and since you are, do explain this in her first paragraph...

You know nothing about Turkey or Turkish people.

''Majority of Turkey is made up of poor, uneducated, religious and backward idiots and that's a fact, so what can we expect from democracy in this country? AKP is a good example.''

What kind of a post is this?

And when is quoting newspaper articles from "turkey=fascist state" and by turksih nationals considered " turkey=fascist state" bashing?

Could this be an atempt by you to enforce article 301 in the forum perhaps?
or
Could it be simply a mistaken identity...

Anyway nice to see you with your spine support blouze joining the forum again...

Truth hurts ha...But I bet it hurts more when it comes straight from the horses mouth doesn't it?

But then again when it comes from effendi from bayarak...it doesn't does it?

What is more pathetic is none of you PMed xxxNilxx telling her who said what...what a reziliki...



PS...not mentioning all the inacuracies that have been shot by GR...

oh...do have a nice day...but please do watch that spine of yours...

[zan]

Does the EU know about this pinnacle that the great Greek race has reached and to stop trying to find definitions of it for EU standards????

Greece can only aspire to Turkey's greatness. here is another example:

Nothing Unusual
The Torture of Children in Turkey
Helsinki Watch has documented scores of cases of torture in Turkey since 1982, and Turkish lawyers who represent detainees claim that police routinely torture between 80 and 90 percent of political suspects and about 50 percent of ordinary criminal suspects, including children. Nothing Unusual documents the torture of children under the age of eighteen in Turkey. It concludes that such torture takes place in police stations and is carried out by police during the interrogation of children accused of both criminal and political offenses. In addition, children are not allowed to see lawyers during their interrogations nor are their families notified by police of their whereabouts. It concludes with specific recommendations to end these appalling practices.

Source: Human Rights Watch.

Now speaking of pinnacles Zan...........................................

What?Like this you mean!!!


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=D8pqQqgRUbw

[Paphitis]

Does the EU know about this pinnacle that the great Greek race has reached and to stop trying to find definitions of it for EU standards????

Greece can only aspire to Turkey's greatness. here is another example:

Nothing Unusual
The Torture of Children in Turkey
Helsinki Watch has documented scores of cases of torture in Turkey since 1982, and Turkish lawyers who represent detainees claim that police routinely torture between 80 and 90 percent of political suspects and about 50 percent of ordinary criminal suspects, including children. Nothing Unusual documents the torture of children under the age of eighteen in Turkey. It concludes that such torture takes place in police stations and is carried out by police during the interrogation of children accused of both criminal and political offenses. In addition, children are not allowed to see lawyers during their interrogations nor are their families notified by police of their whereabouts. It concludes with specific recommendations to end these appalling practices.

Source: Human Rights Watch.

Now speaking of pinnacles Zan...........................................

What?Like this you mean!!!


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=D8pqQqgRUbw

You are laughable! You are highlighting an isolated case. It is not the RoC that has a human rights report about it's police force torturing it's citizens. That honour belongs to Turkey.

Australian police have also at one stage beaten captives. Again just an isolated case. In Turkey, the beatings are sactioned by the state and occur continuously. Hence the human rights reports.

It is clear that I am just going to have to continue your education. I thought you would have learnt your lesson by now.

[Paphitis]

This is a great example of Turkish democracy and free speech..........................................................

(RSF/IFEX) - Reporters Without Borders has criticised a Turkish court's indefinite suspension of two pro-Kurdish websites and called for an explanation from the authorities, as the law requires.


On 20 March 2008, the Ankara assizes court ordered the suspension of the website of the daily paper "Gündem", http://www.ozgurgundem.org , which has been inaccessible since 1 April and, on 11 February, that of the Firat news agency (ANF), http://www.firatnews.eu , both for alleged "propaganda in favour of the Kurdistan Workers Party."

The worldwide press freedom organisation said the websites had never been officially informed of the court's decisions and the exact reasons they had been suspended and had not been able to defend themselves.

Internet websites are routinely shut down when part of their content is deemed unsuitable. Access to YouTube inside Turkey has been blocked three times in the past year after it posted a video that a court said was insulting to modern Turkey's founder, Kemal Atatürk.

Under the November 2007 law governing online publications and cyber-crime, websites can be suspended during judicial investigations. A military court banned the independent news site Indymedia ( http://istanbul.bbm.indymedia.org ) without explanation on 1 April.

For further information on the blocking of YouTube and Indymedia, see: http://www.ifex.org/en/content/view/full/92155/