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[zan]

You have a filthy mouth on you you scum bag.

In English, when you've got two identical words in a row you should remove one.

Woo woo woo woo woo woo!!!!! The grammar police are out again.....Haven't you people got better things to do.....There are car bombs going off left right and centre in the so called "RoC" and the mafia are running wild and you worry about my grammar.......

[Get Real!]

You have a filthy mouth on you you scum bag.

In English, when you've got two identical words in a row you should remove one.

Woo woo woo woo woo woo!!!!! The grammar police are out again.....Haven't you people got better things to do.....There are car bombs going off left right and centre in the so called "RoC" and the mafia are running wild and you worry about my grammar.......

It was just a friendly bit of info in case you didn't know Zanny...

[zan]

You have a filthy mouth on you you scum bag.

In English, when you've got two identical words in a row you should remove one.

Woo woo woo woo woo woo!!!!! The grammar police are out again.....Haven't you people got better things to do.....There are car bombs going off left right and centre in the so called "RoC" and the mafia are running wild and you worry about my grammar.......

It was just a friendly bit of info in case you didn't know Zanny...

And and and...You have a go at others for wasting time and space...

[Bananiot]

While some people contemplate on the idea of agreed partition (the spiritual child of Rauf Denktash) others keep the dream alive. Loucas Charalampous leads the way:

IF THERE is one thing really new in Cyprus in the last 50 days, it must be the encouraging messages for the future of our small country that are being transmitted from both sides of the Green Line. It is not just the number that is impressive, but also the loudness and source of these messages which emphasise the fact that something has drastically changed since Tassos Papadopoulos packed his bags from the Presidential Palace.

Nobody can predict if this change will eventually end the current, disastrous division, opening the way for the reunification of Cyprus and its transformation into a modern state. One thing is certain – there has been a big change from what we were hearing and seeing in our daily lives just two months ago. At last, it seems that we have started to get serious.

The positive messages, which did not exist until two months ago, now abound. I particularly liked the response given by Turkish Cypriot ‘prime minister’ Ferdi Soyer last Tuesday, when asked about Apostolos Andreas monastery. He said: “We are ready to proceed with the support work for the building. We are waiting for a plan to be given to us. The monastery does not belong only to the Greek Cypriots, but it is a piece of Cyprus’ history. There is no problem that cannot be solved when there is good will.”

I think that with just a few words, Soyer sent out a message of hope for every sensible Cypriot. Standing beside Soyer, while he was making this statement, was DISY leader Nicos Anastassiades, who sent his own “message to everyone” – that “we live under the same sky”.

Four days earlier from Paris, on April 4, the mayors Alexis Galanos and Oktay Kayalp, both representatives of Famagusta, had sent their own message, confirming the view that we all live under the same sky and that when there is good will all problems can be solved. They were both in Paris to attend an international conference, under the auspices of Europa Nostra, dealing with the protection and preservation of mediaeval Famagusta.

The initiative had been undertaken by the Turkish Cypriots, and Galanos commendably supported it, leaving aside idiotic, political expediencies and the paranoia syndrome for the sake of the long-term interests of the town and of Cyprus. I recently visited the walled town of Famagusta. Its mediaeval buildings are literally on the verge of collapse.

Galanos concluded his speech in Paris on a positive note, also making reference to the winds of change blowing in Cyprus. He said:

“At this moment there is a new wind of change blowing optimistically in Cyprus after the February elections and a momentum is gathering to give a second or maybe a first chance for reunification… Let us work so that this unique island, sad in being divided but with the capacity for joy and greatness, will overcome its weaknesses and prejudices and turn them into strength by reuniting. Let Famagusta through our deliberations today talk to our hearts and change our destiny.”

If any outsider, unaware of the pettiness, suspicion and bad faith that plagued relations between the two communities for decades, heard all these optimistic exchanges, he’d be wondering what our problem was and how it was possible for a small country to find itself in such lamentable situation when people are showing such positive attitudes.

The answer could be found in Soyer’s words – what had been missing until today were the good intentions. We had never realised that, whether we liked it or not, we were all, as Anastassiades pointed out, living under the same sky.

[Viewpoint]

Soyer: A Potential Solution Is Dependant Upon The Guarantee And Alliance Treaties

Published: 4/12/2008

Underlying that besides the requisite of equality, Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer emphasized that a potential solution is also dependant upon the Guarantee and Alliance Treaties and that a solution will be impossible without these necessities.
Drawing attention to how the Greek Cypriots perform politics upon imaginary scenarios of how the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) are supposedly in conflict to the President, the government and with the Turkish Cypriot people, Soyer stated, “as it did not contribute to the Cyprus problem yesterday, this delusion will serve no purpose today.”

Expressing that the Greek Cypriot leadership should refrain from such delusions, Soyer stated, “If they intend to make peace with Turkey, with the TAF and the Turkish Cypriot people, they must take first priority in realising that our existence is as valuable as their own and I would like to underline that this should be placed within their system of thinking.”

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=225238&s=&i=&t=Soyer:_A_Potential_Solution_Is_Dependant_Upon_The_Guarantee_And_Alliance_Treaties

1...The Roc needs to make peace with 3 entities?
2...see how the tcs rank 3rd down the list for making peace

I would have thought making peace with "turkey=fascist state" as a country would have been enough...but now the TAF comes into the equation as an entity of her own...more proof of the deep state perhaps?

Sounds to me the script was handed down from Gasbag before he left

Yes Mr. Soyer, your existence is as valuable as ours, no doubt and no need to even mention it! It is well within our system of thinking, even without having to tell us so! However, simply because we do not feel and we do not perceive ourselves to constitute a danger to your existence, it is impossible for us to understand and place it in our system of thinking that you should need a so-called guarantor such as Turkey, with a sword hanging over our heads, so that you will accept to live and share with us the same country. If this is how you perceive us, i.e. to constitute a thread to your existence, then logic says you should never enter into any kind of relationship with us. No one in his right senses should want to get married with someone else, if he or she perceives that person to constitute a real thread to his or her existence.

You will of course tell me that it is not so much your desire to get married with us, that makes you considering the act; but rather the fact that you are compelled by the circumstances, and if it would have been possible to attain recognition tomorrow, you wouldn’t feel the need to even look at our direction –set aside say hello to us. Rest sure we know well about this fact! Let me tell you though, that there is a way you get what you want, but first you have to realize that your community, Mr. Soyer, is only the 18% of Cypriots, with about the same percentage of private land ownership! As far as the vast majority of Greek Cypriots is concerned, you can have your separate way, so that you may go and live together with those you trust more and do not perceive to constitute a thread to your existence, once you realize that you cannot have your cake and eat it too; i.e., as soon as you realize that you may have your independence and a separate life from us, only once you "place it in your system of thinking" that this can only be possible should you withdrew only to the proportion of Cyprus that constitutes and represents your fair share!

I can assure you that, because the majority of GCs have already gotten sick and tired of your attitude, mentality and behavior over the years, that once you decide to withdraw to that part of Cyprus representing your fair share, we will accept and concede to you independence as a separate entity! You do not have to get married with someone you perceive as a thread to your existence, so that we will have to be forced to accept a foreigner as a guarantor, to patronize us for the rest of our life as a nation or a country.

I repeat again, you cannot have your cake, and eat it too; or as we say in Cyprus, "to have the dog full (fed) and the bread a whole!"

Great post Kifeaswell done, now you are starting to realizing how we view it from this side of the divide and why I ultimately support agreed division, of course I also support that an agreed amount of land should be returned taking into account certain disputes and GC potential demand to settlement in the TRNC, then each country can get on with running their own countries with a level playing field which is what I have been promoting in my arguements due to the unbridgable chasm which for us if we to accept your demand would mean becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs, this we will never accept, the fact that we prefer being basorbed by in Turkey is a clear sign of how strongly we are against your ulitimate goal.

VP, "rest sure" there won't be even a single GC that will abandon his RoC and EU citizenship to come and settle in the "trnc" or whatever you will wish to call your corner! What you should not rest so sure with, is the fact very many TCs will choose not to abandon their RoC and EU citizenship, and will choose to live within the boundaries of the RoC! My estimation is that a good 40%-50% of TCs will choose to retain their Cypriot citizenship, and this will inevitably have to reduce the amount of territory your "trnc" will cover, down to 9%-10% of Cyprus, based on the formula I already explained to you, simply because they neither share nor buy your garbage idea and theory that the GCs constitute your rapists. No one in his right senses goes to visit the hospitals, or get a job or do their shopping in places run by their "rapists," and the fact that thousands of TCs already do so, proves how untruthful and fake your claims are! Nevertheless, if you consider the GCs to be your rapists, like every single GC does for Turkey, then you are free to stay in the 10% of Cyprus that will remain as your separate country!

PS: Can you please tell us which women are "serving" the 40,000 Turkish male troops stationed in the north ...or unless you wish to tell me they masturbate every day, or they do it to each other?
I think you should look elsewhere to identify your rapist!

Kifeas I hear your disappointment at the fact that we see you just as you see the Turks, the only difference is you raped us first...I and many other TCs are will to take our chances with the TRNC if that means a reduction in land then so be it, if San Marino can do it with no shore line then we should have no problem. Dont bank on TCs moving south as they have the opportunity open to them today yet I do not see them flocking to set up their new lives in a GC state run by GCs....I was at Lokmaci crossing today and there were far more GCs comming north than TCs going south, this must tell you somethingabout who afraid of their rapists.

As for the libido of the Turkish army, we have enough brothels to satisfy everyone even your own GCs who frequent these places.

[Kikapu]

Dont bank on TCs moving south as they have the opportunity open to them today yet I do not see them flocking to set up their new lives in a GC state run by GCs....

The TC's have no reason to flock to the South right now VP, not when they have already been given GC land in return for their own in the South. However, if they are forced to give up the GC properties, because they will fall into the GC administered area due to reduced land of the North, as well as the prospect of losing their EU passports in the chance that the "TRNC" will be denied a EU membership, because the RoC will veto them, and knowing that they will be basically under the control of Turkey and more settlers coming over, then there is a good chance that many TC's will come over to the South. They will in fact be returning home after all, specially for those who's land is in the South. I doubt too many TC's who's land is already in the North will bother to come to the South. That much is clear.

I was at Lokmaci crossing today and there were far more GCs comming north than TCs going south, this must tell you somethingabout who afraid of their rapists.

Maybe because it is Sunday and not too many TC's are working in the South today. Why don't you go there again tomorrow and see how it is and report to us again.

[zan]

Dont bank on TCs moving south as they have the opportunity open to them today yet I do not see them flocking to set up their new lives in a GC state run by GCs....

The TC's have no reason to flock to the South right now VP, not when they have already been given GC land in return for their own in the South. However, if they are forced to give up the GC properties, because they will fall into the GC administered area due to reduced land of the North, as well as the prospect of losing their EU passports in the chance that the "TRNC" will be denied a EU membership, because the RoC will veto them, and knowing that they will be basically under the control of Turkey and more settlers coming over, then there is a good chance that many TC's will come over to the South. They will in fact be returning home after all, specially for those who's land is in the South. I doubt too many TC's who's land is already in the North will bother to come to the South. That much is clear.

I was at Lokmaci crossing today and there were far more GCs comming north than TCs going south, this must tell you somethingabout who afraid of their rapists.

Maybe because it is Sunday and not too many TC's are working in the South today. Why don't you go there again tomorrow and see how it is and report to us again.

Because the South is the only place in the world left for them to run.....How brain dead can people be Perhaps they will use their EU meembership to get the hell off the island if they feel that way...Youknow...Like they did before......The UK...Germany.......Australia.......Why the hell would they want to be under GC hostile conditions when the whole of Europe is open to them....

[zan]

Dont bank on TCs moving south as they have the opportunity open to them today yet I do not see them flocking to set up their new lives in a GC state run by GCs....

The TC's have no reason to flock to the South right now VP, not when they have already been given GC land in return for their own in the South. However, if they are forced to give up the GC properties, because they will fall into the GC administered area due to reduced land of the North, as well as the prospect of losing their EU passports in the chance that the "TRNC" will be denied a EU membership, because the RoC will veto them, and knowing that they will be basically under the control of Turkey and more settlers coming over, then there is a good chance that many TC's will come over to the South. They will in fact be returning home after all, specially for those who's land is in the South. I doubt too many TC's who's land is already in the North will bother to come to the South. That much is clear.

I was at Lokmaci crossing today and there were far more GCs comming north than TCs going south, this must tell you somethingabout who afraid of their rapists.

Maybe because it is Sunday and not too many TC's are working in the South today. Why don't you go there again tomorrow and see how it is and report to us again.

Because the South is the only place in the world left for them to run.....How brain dead can people be Perhaps they will use their EU meembership to get the hell off the island if they feel that way...Youknow...Like they did before......The UK...Germany.......Australia.......Why the hell would they want to be under GC hostile conditions when the whole of Europe is open to them....

The so called "RoC" would prefer that o having them in the South as they always have done!!!

[Viewpoint]

Dont bank on TCs moving south as they have the opportunity open to them today yet I do not see them flocking to set up their new lives in a GC state run by GCs....

The TC's have no reason to flock to the South right now VP, not when they have already been given GC land in return for their own in the South. However, if they are forced to give up the GC properties, because they will fall into the GC administered area due to reduced land of the North, as well as the prospect of losing their EU passports in the chance that the "TRNC" will be denied a EU membership, because the RoC will veto them, and knowing that they will be basically under the control of Turkey and more settlers coming over, then there is a good chance that many TC's will come over to the South. They will in fact be returning home after all, specially for those who's land is in the South. I doubt too many TC's who's land is already in the North will bother to come to the South. That much is clear.

I was at Lokmaci crossing today and there were far more GCs comming north than TCs going south, this must tell you somethingabout who afraid of their rapists.

Maybe because it is Sunday and not too many TC's are working in the South today. Why don't you go there again tomorrow and see how it is and report to us again.

So what you are saying is the TCs have no desire to flock to the perfect EU promised land called "RoC" because they have GC land?? do you really believe that if people were offered a better standard of living and future they would not move a few miles away? you are being very naive, people go half way around the world to work for a better future, yet I dont see them running south into the GC state you keep telling us is the promised land, well I have the confidence that when forced to move from GC property due to land adjustments and give the right to sell property in the south they will opt to sell whats in the GC state and move to the TRNC state, Im willing to take that risk are you? You still have not grasped the fact that TCs do not want minority status in a GC state run by GCs, why cant you get this in your brain when you do your calculations forcing us into this position, as anything you say against this red line will be water off a ducks back, TCs would much rather be absorbed by Turkey which are our origins then capitulate to a GC state and become a foreigner in our own country. I was in the south today and felt like a tourist, this is fine for a visit but not desirable for living ones everyday life, if that was the case I would much rather go back to the UK where I will also be a foreigner amongst people with whom I do not share the dark history and mistrust I do with you.

[pantheman]

You have a filthy mouth on you you scum bag.

In English, when you've got two identical words in a row you should remove one.

Not unless he he he is stuttering