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Soyer: A Potential Solution Is Dependant Upon The Guarantee And Alliance Treaties

Published: 4/12/2008

Underlying that besides the requisite of equality, Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer emphasized that a potential solution is also dependant upon the Guarantee and Alliance Treaties and that a solution will be impossible without these necessities.
Drawing attention to how the Greek Cypriots perform politics upon imaginary scenarios of how the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) are supposedly in conflict to the President, the government and with the Turkish Cypriot people, Soyer stated, “as it did not contribute to the Cyprus problem yesterday, this delusion will serve no purpose today.”

Expressing that the Greek Cypriot leadership should refrain from such delusions, Soyer stated, “If they intend to make peace with Turkey, with the TAF and the Turkish Cypriot people, they must take first priority in realising that our existence is as valuable as their own and I would like to underline that this should be placed within their system of thinking.”

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=225238&s=&i=&t=Soyer:_A_Potential_Solution_Is_Dependant_Upon_The_Guarantee_And_Alliance_Treaties

1...The Roc needs to make peace with 3 entities?
2...see how the tcs rank 3rd down the list for making peace

I would have thought making peace with "turkey=fascist state" as a country would have been enough...but now the TAF comes into the equation as an entity of her own...more proof of the deep state perhaps?

Sounds to me the script was handed down from Gasbag before he left

Yes Mr. Soyer, your existence is as valuable as ours, no doubt and no need to even mention it! It is well within our system of thinking, even without having to tell us so! However, simply because we do not feel and we do not perceive ourselves to constitute a danger to your existence, it is impossible for us to understand and place it in our system of thinking that you should need a so-called guarantor such as Turkey, with a sword hanging over our heads, so that you will accept to live and share with us the same country. If this is how you perceive us, i.e. to constitute a thread to your existence, then logic says you should never enter into any kind of relationship with us. No one in his right senses should want to get married with someone else, if he or she perceives that person to constitute a real thread to his or her existence.

You will of course tell me that it is not so much your desire to get married with us, that makes you considering the act; but rather the fact that you are compelled by the circumstances, and if it would have been possible to attain recognition tomorrow, you wouldn’t feel the need to even look at our direction –set aside say hello to us. Rest sure we know well about this fact! Let me tell you though, that there is a way you get what you want, but first you have to realize that your community, Mr. Soyer, is only the 18% of Cypriots, with about the same percentage of private land ownership! As far as the vast majority of Greek Cypriots is concerned, you can have your separate way, so that you may go and live together with those you trust more and do not perceive to constitute a thread to your existence, once you realize that you cannot have your cake and eat it too; i.e., as soon as you realize that you may have your independence and a separate life from us, only once you "place it in your system of thinking" that this can only be possible should you withdrew only to the proportion of Cyprus that constitutes and represents your fair share!

I can assure you that, because the majority of GCs have already gotten sick and tired of your attitude, mentality and behavior over the years, that once you decide to withdraw to that part of Cyprus representing your fair share, we will accept and concede to you independence as a separate entity! You do not have to get married with someone you perceive as a thread to your existence, so that we will have to be forced to accept a foreigner as a guarantor, to patronize us for the rest of our life as a nation or a country.

I repeat again, you cannot have your cake, and eat it too; or as we say in Cyprus, "to have the dog full (fed) and the bread a whole!"

Great post Kifeaswell done, now you are starting to realizing how we view it from this side of the divide and why I ultimately support agreed division, of course I also support that an agreed amount of land should be returned taking into account certain disputes and GC potential demand to settlement in the TRNC, then each country can get on with running their own countries with a level playing field which is what I have been promoting in my arguements due to the unbridgable chasm which for us if we to accept your demand would mean becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs, this we will never accept, the fact that we prefer being basorbed by in Turkey is a clear sign of how strongly we are against your ulitimate goal.

[Get Real!]

The Treaty of Guarantee also involves the United Kingdom and Greece. Therefore, the Greek Cypriot side can always look to Greece to protect their interests, like the Turkish Cypriots rely on Turkey to preserve their interests, so what's the problem?

Gee thanks!

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Unfortunately it seems almost impossible for the TCs to comprehend that they cannot possibly expect the GCs to accept their rapist (Turkey) to continue assuming the role of a "guarantor" to themselves and their country! It is impossible for them to realize, set aside accept, that Turkey, in the eyes and consciousness of every single GC, exists only as the rapist of our country, the rapist of our cultural heritage, the rapist of our human rights and the rapist of our historical existence and continuation in nearly half of our country.

It is impossible for the TCs to understand and accept that Turkey, in 1974 and ever since, has and is being behaving and acting not so much as a “guarantor” for their safety, but rather and in fact as a rapist of the GCs and everything the GCs regard as holy and sacred! Otherwise, they would have never considered asking us to accept Turkey (our rapist) as the unilateral guarantor of our potential common future.

It is impossible for them to realize that Turkey abused every single aspect of a people's dignity, in 1974 and there after, under the false notion that it was her right to have acted in they way it did. In 1974, it had chosen to invade Cyprus before and without allowing the UN SC to handle the situation that had emerged as a result of a foreign engineered coup, and even before any actual thread on the safety of the TCs had been observed. It then went ahead and in a two phases it ethnically cleansed the entire GC population from the north, usurped the GC's properties, homes and thousands of year’s cultural heritage. It discontinued the 4,000 years old historical continuation of the Greek Cypriot element from nearly half of Cyprus. It attempted to wipe out any traces or elements of the GCs existence in this part of our country, it allowed the changing of the historical names of all our occupied towns and villages, it attempted to destroy our cultural landmarks, it brought its own people from Turkey to colonize our country, and it sealed off for 30 years our very physical access from it; all in the fake name of "guaranteeing" the TCs safety. It had chosen to totally and completely rape the GC community, supposedly in the name of the TC one, in reality though for her own self served geo-strategic interests, yet the TCs want us to accept such a country to remain as a “guarantor” for our common future with them!

They want us to accept our rapist, a country which is completely bankrupt from any and all sense of internal political and democratic culture, a country that ranks well behind us in any measure of democracy, human rights and wellbeing treatment of her own citizens; to remain a guarantor of our country for the indefinite future. They want a country that itself needs others to be the guarantors of her own citizens, to be the “guarantor” of us who evidently can do much better than her, without her! They want the wolf to become the shepherd and take care for the sheep!

Well, enough is enough! I am personally sick of this TC attitude and mentality! I do not think there is a single GC that will ever be willing to sleep with his rapist! If on the other hand, the TCs consciously feel and consider us GCs as their rapists, like we do feel about Turkey, then fair enough! We neither accept such a parallelism, nor will we get into the business of trying to prove that we are not elephants! Let’s call the quits, but first the TCs should return all the excessive territory that they together with their motherland illegally and illegitimately occupy! That is the only way out!

Excellent postyou have hit the nail on the head and although you do not accept the parallelism, your mistrust of your rapist is how we feel about GCs, but what you are asking us to do is accept being raped on a regular basis when we accept becoming foreigners in our own country where we have absolutely no hope of being elected or running our own affairs, we will never accept becoming a minority in a GC state run purely by GCs, how more precise can we say this?? we would rather be wiped out completely than capitualte to this GC demand, either GCs share equally as 2 communities or they continue with their current demands and support the current status quo.

[Oracle]

Can someone please translate what this mentally retarded person has written above?

Noone knows exactly what zan says...Sometimes he says we cannot go back the situation is changed and other times he says he wants to go back...

Other times he says we invited "turkey=fascist state" and other times he says "turkey=fascists state" has interest in Cyprus...

I think this happens when his medication draws towards the end and he cuts it in half to make it last longer...

Boom ...

[Kifeas]

Soyer: A Potential Solution Is Dependant Upon The Guarantee And Alliance Treaties

Published: 4/12/2008

Underlying that besides the requisite of equality, Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer emphasized that a potential solution is also dependant upon the Guarantee and Alliance Treaties and that a solution will be impossible without these necessities.
Drawing attention to how the Greek Cypriots perform politics upon imaginary scenarios of how the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) are supposedly in conflict to the President, the government and with the Turkish Cypriot people, Soyer stated, “as it did not contribute to the Cyprus problem yesterday, this delusion will serve no purpose today.”

Expressing that the Greek Cypriot leadership should refrain from such delusions, Soyer stated, “If they intend to make peace with Turkey, with the TAF and the Turkish Cypriot people, they must take first priority in realising that our existence is as valuable as their own and I would like to underline that this should be placed within their system of thinking.”

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=225238&s=&i=&t=Soyer:_A_Potential_Solution_Is_Dependant_Upon_The_Guarantee_And_Alliance_Treaties

1...The Roc needs to make peace with 3 entities?
2...see how the tcs rank 3rd down the list for making peace

I would have thought making peace with "turkey=fascist state" as a country would have been enough...but now the TAF comes into the equation as an entity of her own...more proof of the deep state perhaps?

Sounds to me the script was handed down from Gasbag before he left

Yes Mr. Soyer, your existence is as valuable as ours, no doubt and no need to even mention it! It is well within our system of thinking, even without having to tell us so! However, simply because we do not feel and we do not perceive ourselves to constitute a danger to your existence, it is impossible for us to understand and place it in our system of thinking that you should need a so-called guarantor such as Turkey, with a sword hanging over our heads, so that you will accept to live and share with us the same country. If this is how you perceive us, i.e. to constitute a thread to your existence, then logic says you should never enter into any kind of relationship with us. No one in his right senses should want to get married with someone else, if he or she perceives that person to constitute a real thread to his or her existence.

You will of course tell me that it is not so much your desire to get married with us, that makes you considering the act; but rather the fact that you are compelled by the circumstances, and if it would have been possible to attain recognition tomorrow, you wouldn’t feel the need to even look at our direction –set aside say hello to us. Rest sure we know well about this fact! Let me tell you though, that there is a way you get what you want, but first you have to realize that your community, Mr. Soyer, is only the 18% of Cypriots, with about the same percentage of private land ownership! As far as the vast majority of Greek Cypriots is concerned, you can have your separate way, so that you may go and live together with those you trust more and do not perceive to constitute a thread to your existence, once you realize that you cannot have your cake and eat it too; i.e., as soon as you realize that you may have your independence and a separate life from us, only once you "place it in your system of thinking" that this can only be possible should you withdrew only to the proportion of Cyprus that constitutes and represents your fair share!

I can assure you that, because the majority of GCs have already gotten sick and tired of your attitude, mentality and behavior over the years, that once you decide to withdraw to that part of Cyprus representing your fair share, we will accept and concede to you independence as a separate entity! You do not have to get married with someone you perceive as a thread to your existence, so that we will have to be forced to accept a foreigner as a guarantor, to patronize us for the rest of our life as a nation or a country.

I repeat again, you cannot have your cake, and eat it too; or as we say in Cyprus, "to have the dog full (fed) and the bread a whole!"

Great post Kifeaswell done, now you are starting to realizing how we view it from this side of the divide and why I ultimately support agreed division, of course I also support that an agreed amount of land should be returned taking into account certain disputes and GC potential demand to settlement in the TRNC, then each country can get on with running their own countries with a level playing field which is what I have been promoting in my arguements due to the unbridgable chasm which for us if we to accept your demand would mean becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs, this we will never accept, the fact that we prefer being basorbed by in Turkey is a clear sign of how strongly we are against your ulitimate goal.

VP, "rest sure" there won't be even a single GC that will abandon his RoC and EU citizenship to come and settle in the "trnc" or whatever you will wish to call your corner! What you should not rest so sure with, is the fact very many TCs will choose not to abandon their RoC and EU citizenship, and will choose to live within the boundaries of the RoC! My estimation is that a good 40%-50% of TCs will choose to retain their Cypriot citizenship, and this will inevitably have to reduce the amount of territory your "trnc" will cover, down to 9%-10% of Cyprus, based on the formula I already explained to you, simply because they neither share nor buy your garbage idea and theory that the GCs constitute your rapists. No one in his right senses goes to visit the hospitals, or get a job or do their shopping in places run by their "rapists," and the fact that thousands of TCs already do so, proves how untruthful and fake your claims are! Nevertheless, if you consider the GCs to be your rapists, like every single GC does for Turkey, then you are free to stay in the 10% of Cyprus that will remain as your separate country!

PS: Can you please tell us which women are "serving" the 40,000 Turkish male troops stationed in the north ...or unless you wish to tell me they masturbate every day, or they do it to each other?
I think you should look elsewhere to identify your rapist!

[zan]

Can someone please translate what this mentally retarded person has written above?

The IQ faltering is it Kifeas....You boast about being so clever and fall at the final post every time......I am sure your mummy is proud of you though

[zan]

Can someone please translate what this mentally retarded person has written above?

Noone knows exactly what zan says...Sometimes he says we cannot go back the situation is changed and other times he says he wants to go back...

Other times he says we invited "turkey=fascist state" and other times he says "turkey=fascists state" has interest in Cyprus...

I think this happens when his medication draws towards the end and he cuts it in half to make it last longer...

Boom ...

We do not need mainland Greeks on the forum Stella.....Go back home to Greece...

[zan]

Soyer: A Potential Solution Is Dependant Upon The Guarantee And Alliance Treaties

Published: 4/12/2008

Underlying that besides the requisite of equality, Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer emphasized that a potential solution is also dependant upon the Guarantee and Alliance Treaties and that a solution will be impossible without these necessities.
Drawing attention to how the Greek Cypriots perform politics upon imaginary scenarios of how the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) are supposedly in conflict to the President, the government and with the Turkish Cypriot people, Soyer stated, “as it did not contribute to the Cyprus problem yesterday, this delusion will serve no purpose today.”

Expressing that the Greek Cypriot leadership should refrain from such delusions, Soyer stated, “If they intend to make peace with Turkey, with the TAF and the Turkish Cypriot people, they must take first priority in realising that our existence is as valuable as their own and I would like to underline that this should be placed within their system of thinking.”

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=225238&s=&i=&t=Soyer:_A_Potential_Solution_Is_Dependant_Upon_The_Guarantee_And_Alliance_Treaties

1...The Roc needs to make peace with 3 entities?
2...see how the tcs rank 3rd down the list for making peace

I would have thought making peace with "turkey=fascist state" as a country would have been enough...but now the TAF comes into the equation as an entity of her own...more proof of the deep state perhaps?

Sounds to me the script was handed down from Gasbag before he left

Yes Mr. Soyer, your existence is as valuable as ours, no doubt and no need to even mention it! It is well within our system of thinking, even without having to tell us so! However, simply because we do not feel and we do not perceive ourselves to constitute a danger to your existence, it is impossible for us to understand and place it in our system of thinking that you should need a so-called guarantor such as Turkey, with a sword hanging over our heads, so that you will accept to live and share with us the same country. If this is how you perceive us, i.e. to constitute a thread to your existence, then logic says you should never enter into any kind of relationship with us. No one in his right senses should want to get married with someone else, if he or she perceives that person to constitute a real thread to his or her existence.

You will of course tell me that it is not so much your desire to get married with us, that makes you considering the act; but rather the fact that you are compelled by the circumstances, and if it would have been possible to attain recognition tomorrow, you wouldn’t feel the need to even look at our direction –set aside say hello to us. Rest sure we know well about this fact! Let me tell you though, that there is a way you get what you want, but first you have to realize that your community, Mr. Soyer, is only the 18% of Cypriots, with about the same percentage of private land ownership! As far as the vast majority of Greek Cypriots is concerned, you can have your separate way, so that you may go and live together with those you trust more and do not perceive to constitute a thread to your existence, once you realize that you cannot have your cake and eat it too; i.e., as soon as you realize that you may have your independence and a separate life from us, only once you "place it in your system of thinking" that this can only be possible should you withdrew only to the proportion of Cyprus that constitutes and represents your fair share!

I can assure you that, because the majority of GCs have already gotten sick and tired of your attitude, mentality and behavior over the years, that once you decide to withdraw to that part of Cyprus representing your fair share, we will accept and concede to you independence as a separate entity! You do not have to get married with someone you perceive as a thread to your existence, so that we will have to be forced to accept a foreigner as a guarantor, to patronize us for the rest of our life as a nation or a country.

I repeat again, you cannot have your cake, and eat it too; or as we say in Cyprus, "to have the dog full (fed) and the bread a whole!"

Great post Kifeaswell done, now you are starting to realizing how we view it from this side of the divide and why I ultimately support agreed division, of course I also support that an agreed amount of land should be returned taking into account certain disputes and GC potential demand to settlement in the TRNC, then each country can get on with running their own countries with a level playing field which is what I have been promoting in my arguements due to the unbridgable chasm which for us if we to accept your demand would mean becoming a minority in a GC state run by GCs, this we will never accept, the fact that we prefer being basorbed by in Turkey is a clear sign of how strongly we are against your ulitimate goal.

VP, "rest sure" there won't be even a single GC that will abandon his RoC and EU citizenship to come and settle in the "trnc" or whatever you will wish to call your corner! What you should not rest so sure with, is the fact very many TCs will choose not to abandon their RoC and EU citizenship, and will choose to live within the boundaries of the RoC! My estimation is that a good 40%-50% of TCs will choose to retain their Cypriot citizenship, and this will inevitably have to reduce the amount of territory your "trnc" will cover, down to 9%-10% of Cyprus, based on the formula I already explained to you, simply because they neither share nor buy your garbage idea and theory that the GCs constitute your rapists. No one in his right senses goes to visit the hospitals, or get a job or do their shopping in places run by their "rapists," and the fact that thousands of TCs already do so, proves how untruthful and fake your claims are! Nevertheless, if you consider the GCs to be your rapists, like every single GC does for Turkey, then you are free to stay in the 10% of Cyprus that will remain as your separate country!

PS: Can you please tell us which women are "serving" the 40,000 Turkish male troops stationed in the north ...or unless you wish to tell me they masturbate every day, or they do it to each other?
I think you should look elsewhere to identify your rapist!

You have a filthy mouth on you you scum bag. Just because you were brought up in house of ill repute you expect others to behave as corrupted as you. We use our EU membership because it is there to use and not because we think scum bags like you are giving us anything special......You made your bed when you said that you were responsible for all Cypriots and we use the loophole in spite of your intentions.....Live with it!!!

[Kikapu]

PS: Can you please tell us which women are "serving" the 40,000 Turkish male troops stationed in the north ...or unless you wish to tell me they masturbate every day, or they do it to each other?
I think you should look elsewhere to identify your rapist!

Kifeas,

Your above question was addressed by Talat when he had his high level meeting with Papadopoulos last year.

Here's what Talat said.

Talat : So what’s wrong with our whorehouses. I mean, they provide a good service to the community and also stops all those fucking sex crazed Turkish Military guys from hitting on our decent Turkish Cypriot Girls.

Papadopoulos : What do they charge Mehmet for their services.

You can read the full report here.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=13198

[Get Real!]

You have a filthy mouth on you you scum bag.

In English, when you've got two identical words in a row you should remove one.