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Soyer: A Potential Solution Is Dependant

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby zan » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:07 am

Kifeas wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:The Treaty of Guarantee also involves the United Kingdom and Greece. Therefore, the Greek Cypriot side can always look to Greece to protect their interests, like the Turkish Cypriots rely on Turkey to preserve their interests, so what's the problem? Unless of course you don't want the Turkish Cypriot populace to have their safeguard...


Expatkiwi, if you wish to have a patron and a quardian for your country, then give a call to Turkey, Greece or the UK, maybe one of them will be interested! We feel we are grown ups and mature enough, not to need patrons and guardians! It is an insult to even suggest the opposite to us! It is either this, or the way I have described above ...or the status quo for the next 100 years!


So mature that you are still throwing your toys out of the pram when we TCs ask to be treated as such in running our own government :roll: :roll: :roll: FFS :roll: :roll: :roll: :arrow:
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:19 am

Unfortunately it seems almost impossible for the TCs to comprehend that they cannot possibly expect the GCs to accept their rapist (Turkey) to continue assuming the role of a "guarantor" to themselves and their country! It is impossible for them to realize, set aside accept, that Turkey, in the eyes and consciousness of every single GC, exists only as the rapist of our country, the rapist of our cultural heritage, the rapist of our human rights and the rapist of our historical existence and continuation in nearly half of our country.

It is impossible for the TCs to understand and accept that Turkey, in 1974 and ever since, has and is being behaving and acting not so much as a “guarantor” for their safety, but rather and in fact as a rapist of the GCs and everything the GCs regard as holy and sacred! Otherwise, they would have never considered asking us to accept Turkey (our rapist) as the unilateral guarantor of our potential common future.

It is impossible for them to realize that Turkey abused every single aspect of a people's dignity, in 1974 and there after, under the false notion that it was her right to have acted in they way it did. In 1974, it had chosen to invade Cyprus before and without allowing the UN SC to handle the situation that had emerged as a result of a foreign engineered coup, and even before any actual thread on the safety of the TCs had been observed. It then went ahead and in a two phases it ethnically cleansed the entire GC population from the north, usurped the GC's properties, homes and thousands of year’s cultural heritage. It discontinued the 4,000 years old historical continuation of the Greek Cypriot element from nearly half of Cyprus. It attempted to wipe out any traces or elements of the GCs existence in this part of our country, it allowed the changing of the historical names of all our occupied towns and villages, it attempted to destroy our cultural landmarks, it brought its own people from Turkey to colonize our country, and it sealed off for 30 years our very physical access from it; all in the fake name of "guaranteeing" the TCs safety. It had chosen to totally and completely rape the GC community, supposedly in the name of the TC one, in reality though for her own self served geo-strategic interests, yet the TCs want us to accept such a country to remain as a “guarantor” for our common future with them!

They want us to accept our rapist, a country which is completely bankrupt from any and all sense of internal political and democratic culture, a country that ranks well behind us in any measure of democracy, human rights and wellbeing treatment of her own citizens; to remain a guarantor of our country for the indefinite future. They want a country that itself needs others to be the guarantors of her own citizens, to be the “guarantor” of us who evidently can do much better than her, without her! They want the wolf to become the shepherd and take care for the sheep!

Well, enough is enough! I am personally sick of this TC attitude and mentality! I do not think there is a single GC that will ever be willing to sleep with his rapist! If on the other hand, the TCs consciously feel and consider us GCs as their rapists, like we do feel about Turkey, then fair enough! We neither accept such a parallelism, nor will we get into the business of trying to prove that we are not elephants! Let’s call the quits, but first the TCs should return all the excessive territory that they together with their motherland illegally and illegitimately occupy! That is the only way out!
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:23 am

zan wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:The Treaty of Guarantee also involves the United Kingdom and Greece. Therefore, the Greek Cypriot side can always look to Greece to protect their interests, like the Turkish Cypriots rely on Turkey to preserve their interests, so what's the problem? Unless of course you don't want the Turkish Cypriot populace to have their safeguard...


Expatkiwi, if you wish to have a patron and a quardian for your country, then give a call to Turkey, Greece or the UK, maybe one of them will be interested! We feel we are grown ups and mature enough, not to need patrons and guardians! It is an insult to even suggest the opposite to us! It is either this, or the way I have described above ...or the status quo for the next 100 years!


So mature that you are still throwing your toys out of the pram when we TCs ask to be treated as such in running our own government :roll: :roll: :roll: FFS :roll: :roll: :roll: :arrow:


We will let you run your own government, only when you return all execssive the territory you illegally and illegitimately occupy in the expense of the GCs, and stay in only the portion of Cyprus that represents your fair share, i.e. the 18% of the island!
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Re: Soyer: A Potential Solution Is Dependant

Postby Oracle » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:24 am

boomerang wrote: .... Soyer stated, “If they intend to make peace with Turkey, with the TAF and the Turkish Cypriot people, they must take first priority in realising that our existence is as valuable as their own:


Am I alone in thinking this would make Turkey seriously insecure about its own existence?

Soyer's demand would make sense if he was addressing some Super Power like the US ....... but a few thousand GCs? :roll:

He sounds insincere; and foolish to believe he can pull the wool over any one's eyes with such a pathetic attempt at gaining sympathy.
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Postby boomerang » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:28 am

Kifeas wrote:
zan wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:The Treaty of Guarantee also involves the United Kingdom and Greece. Therefore, the Greek Cypriot side can always look to Greece to protect their interests, like the Turkish Cypriots rely on Turkey to preserve their interests, so what's the problem? Unless of course you don't want the Turkish Cypriot populace to have their safeguard...


Expatkiwi, if you wish to have a patron and a quardian for your country, then give a call to Turkey, Greece or the UK, maybe one of them will be interested! We feel we are grown ups and mature enough, not to need patrons and guardians! It is an insult to even suggest the opposite to us! It is either this, or the way I have described above ...or the status quo for the next 100 years!


So mature that you are still throwing your toys out of the pram when we TCs ask to be treated as such in running our own government :roll: :roll: :roll: FFS :roll: :roll: :roll: :arrow:


We will let you run your own government, only when you return all execssive the territory you illegally and illegitimately occupy in the expense of the GCs, and stay in only the portion of Cyprus that represents your fair share, i.e. the 18% of the island!


In reality what Soyer is saying is....what is mine is mine and what is yours is also mine...and this is the sad truth...

This is evident with the oil exloration...The spend all their life promoting an indepandant state and then having the balls to say they also have rights to all of Cyprus...
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Postby Oracle » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:28 am

Kifeas wrote:Unfortunately it seems almost impossible for the TCs to comprehend that they cannot possibly expect the GCs to accept their rapist (Turkey) to continue assuming the role of a "guarantor" to themselves and their country! It is impossible for them to realize, set aside accept, that Turkey, in the eyes and consciousness of every single GC, exists only as the rapist of our country, the rapist of our cultural heritage, the rapist of our human rights and the rapist of our historical existence and continuation in nearly half of our country.

It is impossible for the TCs to understand and accept that Turkey, in 1974 and ever since, has and is being behaving and acting, not so much as a “guarantor” for their safety, but rather in fact as a rapist of the GCs and everything the GCs regard as holy and sacred! Otherwise, they would have never considered asking us to accept Turkey (our rapist) as the unilateral guarantor of our potential common future.

It is impossible for them to realize that Turkey abused every single aspect of a people's dignity, in 1974 and there after, under the false notion that it was her right to have acted in they way it did. In 1974, it had chosen to invade Cyprus before and without allowing the UN SC to handle the situation that had emerged as a result of a foreign engineered coup, and even before any actual thread on the safety of the TCs had been observed. It then went ahead and in a two phases it ethnically cleansed the entire GC population from the north, usurped the GC's properties, homes and thousands of year’s cultural heritage. It discontinued the 4,000 years old historical continuation of the Greek Cypriot element from nearly half of Cyprus. It attempted wiped out any traces of the GCs existences in this part of our country, changed the historical names of our towns and villages, it attempted to destroy our cultural landmarks, it brought its own people from Turkey to colonize our country, and it sealed off for 30 years our very physical access from it; all in the fake name of "guaranteeing" the TCs safety. It had chosen to totally and completely rape the GC community, supposedly in the name of the TC one, in reality though for her own self served geo-strategic interests, yet the TCs want us to accept such a country to remain as a “guarantor” for our common future with them!

They want us to accept our rapist, a country that completely bankrupt from any and all sense of internal political and democratic culture, a country that ranks well behind us in any measure of democracy, human rights and wellbeing treatment of its own citizens; to remain a guarantor of our country for the indefinite future. They want a country that itself needs other to be the guarantors of her own citizens, to be the “guarantor” of us who evidently can do much better than her, without her! They want the wolf to become the shepherd and take care for the sheep!

Well, enough is enough! I am personally sick of this TC attitude and mentality! I do not thing there is a single GC that will ever be willing to be sleeping with his rapist! If on the other hand, the TCs consciously feel and consider us GCs as their rapists, like we do feel about Turkey, then fair enough! We neither accept such a parallelism, nor will we get into the business of trying to prove that we are not elephants! Let’s call the quits, but first the TCs should return all the excessive territory that they together with their motherland illegally and illegitimately occupy! That is the only way out!


This deserves to be read many times.
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Postby zan » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:45 am

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zan wrote:
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Expatkiwi wrote:The Treaty of Guarantee also involves the United Kingdom and Greece. Therefore, the Greek Cypriot side can always look to Greece to protect their interests, like the Turkish Cypriots rely on Turkey to preserve their interests, so what's the problem? Unless of course you don't want the Turkish Cypriot populace to have their safeguard...


Expatkiwi, if you wish to have a patron and a quardian for your country, then give a call to Turkey, Greece or the UK, maybe one of them will be interested! We feel we are grown ups and mature enough, not to need patrons and guardians! It is an insult to even suggest the opposite to us! It is either this, or the way I have described above ...or the status quo for the next 100 years!


So mature that you are still throwing your toys out of the pram when we TCs ask to be treated as such in running our own government :roll: :roll: :roll: FFS :roll: :roll: :roll: :arrow:


We will let you run your own government, only when you return all execssive the territory you illegally and illegitimately occupy in the expense of the GCs, and stay in only the portion of Cyprus that represents your fair share, i.e. the 18% of the island!


M<y fair share of the island is in the Zurich agreement written in stone...You want another deal...Then be prepared to lose some things in relevent proportions.....You do not have the say on the final deal as your own......... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:34 am

Can someone please translate what this mentally retarded person has written above?
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Postby boomerang » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:59 am

Kifeas wrote:Can someone please translate what this mentally retarded person has written above?


Noone knows exactly what zan says...Sometimes he says we cannot go back the situation is changed and other times he says he wants to go back...

Other times he says we invited "turkey=fascist state" and other times he says "turkey=fascists state" has interest in Cyprus...

I think this happens when his medication draws towards the end and he cuts it in half to make it last longer... :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Nikitas » Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:27 pm

Strange statement and strange timing! If it reflects an underlying official attitude then it can be interpreted as a big "fuck you" to all those who thought that a solution is imminent. This is a leftist TC who is asking the GCs to do something that even Turks themselves do not have to do, recognise the army as an entity equal to the Turish state itself.

Over the years we have seen this tactic of imposition of an impossible demand just when we were getting close to a solution. We agree to federation, they ask for confederation, we agree to confederation they ask for two independent states and the bullshit goes on. The only people who can put a stop to this crap are the TCs themselves, if there are any left.
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