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[miltiades]

I am not misrepresenting you Bir...You are doing that just nicely all by yourself......You need to get a more balanced view of what the WORLD is like and how the people of the EU got where they are today and how they are misusing that power on a daily basis before condemning your own.....We ran away from Cyprus for fear of being killed and or starving to death........Laws were put into place to prevent that but the so called inventors of democracy seem to use it only when it suits them and sod the rest of us. Their kind of democracy can kiss my ass.......Or real Cypriot if you like.....

I mean...Look what GR wrote as his answer to undemocratic ways of the GCs...

We are not writing well-balanced newspaper articles here,Zan...
We are talking from the heart,jumping in where we have something personal to say about a topic...You are making this mistake...you think that if i criticise our side,i must be approving everything that the other side is doing on that subject. That is not so...You are right to think that I am concentrating mostly on our mistakes. That is intentional. We need all the diversity we can get on this Forum..We will never get anywhere if we all just talked up our own side while putting down the other side all the time...We have a long way to go in accepting self-criticism...But only when we can see the faults of our own side,and can talk about them openly and honestly can we expect to see the other side's point of view...
This is essential if we are ever going to find a compromise solution...When you criticise something or someone,it does not necessarily mean you hate them or everything about them...You could be loving them with a passion and want them to better themselves or not to make mistakes...Like parents who sometimes have to criticise or punish their children...

There is a place to practice these thoughts and then there is the Cyprob....


And please...Spare me the lesson once more that you have more empathy than me.......I fully understand where the GCs are coming from....But as you do with the Turks, I do with the GCs...Tell them where they are going wrong.

A well balanced post , as usual , by Bir and a very predictable response from Zan who audaciously claims to fully understand the GCs !!!
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND BIR IS THAT YOU ARE FULL OF HATRED AND A COMMITED PARTITIONIST . BIR IS NOT !!

[zan]

I am not misrepresenting you Bir...You are doing that just nicely all by yourself......You need to get a more balanced view of what the WORLD is like and how the people of the EU got where they are today and how they are misusing that power on a daily basis before condemning your own.....We ran away from Cyprus for fear of being killed and or starving to death........Laws were put into place to prevent that but the so called inventors of democracy seem to use it only when it suits them and sod the rest of us. Their kind of democracy can kiss my ass.......Or real Cypriot if you like.....

I mean...Look what GR wrote as his answer to undemocratic ways of the GCs...

We are not writing well-balanced newspaper articles here,Zan...
We are talking from the heart,jumping in where we have something personal to say about a topic...You are making this mistake...you think that if i criticise our side,i must be approving everything that the other side is doing on that subject. That is not so...You are right to think that I am concentrating mostly on our mistakes. That is intentional. We need all the diversity we can get on this Forum..We will never get anywhere if we all just talked up our own side while putting down the other side all the time...We have a long way to go in accepting self-criticism...But only when we can see the faults of our own side,and can talk about them openly and honestly can we expect to see the other side's point of view...
This is essential if we are ever going to find a compromise solution...When you criticise something or someone,it does not necessarily mean you hate them or everything about them...You could be loving them with a passion and want them to better themselves or not to make mistakes...Like parents who sometimes have to criticise or punish their children...

There is a place to practice these thoughts and then there is the Cyprob....


And please...Spare me the lesson once more that you have more empathy than me.......I fully understand where the GCs are coming from....But as you do with the Turks, I do with the GCs...Tell them where they are going wrong.

A well balanced post , as usual , by Bir and a very predictable response from Zan who audaciously claims to fully understand the GCs !!!
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND BIR IS THAT YOU ARE FULL OF HATRED AND A COMMITED PARTITIONIST . BIR IS NOT !!

I sussed you out didn't I and perhaps helped you cut back on your drinking!!!

I hate those at the top that try to fool me and the rest of the world Miltiades...That is what I understand fully......The rest of you are just cannon fodder for the "RoC"....I want to redress the injustices of what the "RoC" did and you don't......We are loggerheads.

[Eric dayi]

Like parents who sometimes have to criticise or punish their children...

It is a proven fact that if you criticise and punish your kids all the time they will turn against you in the end.

You have done nothing but criticised us TCs and Turks since the day you joined the forum and probably even before that and should not be surprised that your own people have turned against you.

You are a joke Bir and the things you come up with to excuse your hate for your own people are a bigger joke than you.

[Eric dayi]

I am not misrepresenting you Bir...You are doing that just nicely all by yourself......You need to get a more balanced view of what the WORLD is like and how the people of the EU got where they are today and how they are misusing that power on a daily basis before condemning your own.....We ran away from Cyprus for fear of being killed and or starving to death........Laws were put into place to prevent that but the so called inventors of democracy seem to use it only when it suits them and sod the rest of us. Their kind of democracy can kiss my ass.......Or real Cypriot if you like.....

I mean...Look what GR wrote as his answer to undemocratic ways of the GCs...

We are not writing well-balanced newspaper articles here,Zan...
We are talking from the heart,jumping in where we have something personal to say about a topic...You are making this mistake...you think that if i criticise our side,i must be approving everything that the other side is doing on that subject. That is not so...You are right to think that I am concentrating mostly on our mistakes. That is intentional. We need all the diversity we can get on this Forum..We will never get anywhere if we all just talked up our own side while putting down the other side all the time...We have a long way to go in accepting self-criticism...But only when we can see the faults of our own side,and can talk about them openly and honestly can we expect to see the other side's point of view...
This is essential if we are ever going to find a compromise solution...When you criticise something or someone,it does not necessarily mean you hate them or everything about them...You could be loving them with a passion and want them to better themselves or not to make mistakes...Like parents who sometimes have to criticise or punish their children...

There is a place to practice these thoughts and then there is the Cyprob....


And please...Spare me the lesson once more that you have more empathy than me.......I fully understand where the GCs are coming from....But as you do with the Turks, I do with the GCs...Tell them where they are going wrong.

A well balanced post , as usual , by Bir and a very predictable response from Zan who audaciously claims to fully understand the GCs !!!
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND BIR IS THAT YOU ARE FULL OF HATRED AND A COMMITED PARTITIONIST . BIR IS NOT !!

The only reason why you love Birs postings is because it suits your GC propaganda. With more "TCs" like him you'd be able to take over the island turn the rest of us in to second class citizens and drive us all out in the end to make your sick ENOSIS dream come true.

[observer]

Part of what Birkibrilsi wrote is:

The trouble is not with "democracy" but with those who are putting it into practice...I believe the only time where Democracy was truly practised was in Athena during the times of Socrates...Human beings being what they are,managed to corrupt it and made it serve the powerful few,instead of the masses...Can we honestly say there is democracy anywhere in the world today??? Is the USA democratic???Is it working for the good of all,or for the good of the rich and the powerful,and their means of richess,big and small corporations??? You cannot talk about real democracy when you need to be at least a millionaire to get into serious politics.

This is soooo not true.

Between a quarter and a third of Athens 300,000 population were slaves. Women were not allowed to vote. At best Athens was an patriachal autocracy.

More on slaves here
http://www.globaled.org/nyworld/materials/greek1.html

[Get Real!]

That was a different type of democracy back then (I forget the name) because much smaller populations allowed for a more involved participation etc.

[observer]

That was a different type of democracy back then (I forget the name) because much smaller populations allowed for a more involved participation etc.

With Sparta and Athens as the leading Greek states of the time, perhaps it was called a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation

[Get Real!]

That was a different type of democracy back then (I forget the name) because much smaller populations allowed for a more involved participation etc.

With Sparta and Athens as the leading Greek states of the time, perhaps it was called a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation

or gay-zonal even....

[BirKibrisli]

Part of what Birkibrilsi wrote is:

The trouble is not with "democracy" but with those who are putting it into practice...I believe the only time where Democracy was truly practised was in Athena during the times of Socrates...Human beings being what they are,managed to corrupt it and made it serve the powerful few,instead of the masses...Can we honestly say there is democracy anywhere in the world today??? Is the USA democratic???Is it working for the good of all,or for the good of the rich and the powerful,and their means of richess,big and small corporations??? You cannot talk about real democracy when you need to be at least a millionaire to get into serious politics.

This is soooo not true.

Between a quarter and a third of Athens 300,000 population were slaves. Women were not allowed to vote. At best Athens was an patriachal autocracy.

More on slaves here
http://www.globaled.org/nyworld/materials/greek1.html

You are forgetting that we are talking about 470 -399 BC...Of course there were slaves..Of course women didn't have the vote...But all state decisions were taken by the Forum,after a discussion followed by majority vote...And all male citizens qualified for public office...Considering that all the other city-states were ruled by monarchs called Tyrants,I consider the Athenian democracy truly remarkable for its time....I quoted Socrates because he was the most well-known Athenian at the time(well-known to us,I mean)...He did have oligarchic sympathies of course...I should have used Pericles as a reference point..

[BirKibrisli]

Like parents who sometimes have to criticise or punish their children...

It is a proven fact that if you criticise and punish your kids all the time they will turn against you in the end.

You have done nothing but criticised us TCs and Turks since the day you joined the forum and probably even before that and should not be surprised that your own people have turned against you.

You are a joke Bir and the things you come up with to excuse your hate for your own people are a bigger joke than you.

Whatever you say,Eric,Whatever you say...
I bet you thought your father hated you too, because he pointed out the things you did wrong...