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Postby boomerang » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:34 am

Erdoğan: "We need to make progress in democracy"


Erdoğan said referring to EU: "we will not be a burden but to take the burden off EU". Erdoğan told the non-governmental organizations and media "we need to attend to democracy."

The Prime Minister Tayyip Erdoğan attended the meeting held by Turkey-EU mixed negotiation committee and criticized the statements of some EU member countries about Turkey's accession to EU: "we do not mean to become a burden to EU; on the contrary, we mean to take the burden off EU." Erdoğan warned the non-governmental organizations and media saying: "you need to attend to democracy." Erdoğan said: "we can not raise the standards of democracy by failing the introduction course of democracy constantly. First of all, non-governmental organizations and media should be sensitive about protecting democracy." Referring to making discriminations among the public, Erdoğan said: "some may divide the citizens by their status and their class in the society; however, we do not make any discrimination among our citizens."

http://english.sabah.com.tr/5083DB079D394C478471F05D4727A285.html



hmmmm...a cry form the inside perhaps? :lol:

But check out the double standard applied in "turkey=fascist state" and the standard expectations in other countries...I am sure everyone remembers the little speech in Germany and the expectations in Cyprus...


Do these elected morons employ speech writers or what?..either this or dememntia :lol:

effendara from bayarak, sleeping on the job, yet again :lol:
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Postby cypezokyli » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:40 pm

if erdogan overcomes this obstacle as well, turkey will be making another step towards democracy (and the EU).
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Postby boomerang » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:10 pm

thats a big if and a big ask cyper...another soft coup from this anachronistic country is on the way

Thousands of Turks protest AKP in Ankara

Thousands of Turks gathered together in the capital Ankara on Saturday, to protest the Islamist AKP for undermining the country's secular system. The police say some 20,000 people attend the rally in Tandogan Square of Ankara. (UPDATED)


Turkish ANKA news agency reported The National Solidarity Platform, an umbrella group of some 500 NGOs, visited the first building of the Turkish assembly when it was opened in 1920. The rally started at 11.00 a.m. (GMT 0800).

Selda Talay Tosun, a spokesperson of the platform, said on Saturday their mission is to enhance Turkey without leaving the path of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, founder of the modern Turkey.

Turkish NGOs held similary rallies last year to protest former AKP executive Abdullah Gul's presidential candidacy. The theme of the demonstrations was "No Sharia, No Army." The biggest of such rallies was organized in Istanbul and around 1 million people had attended.

Demonstrators carry anti-government banners, red-and-white Turkish flags and pictures of Ataturk. The protest Saturday follows moves by Turkey’s chief prosecutor to close down Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan’s governing party, on charges that it became the focal point of anti-secular activities.

The Constitutional Court has agreed to hear the case, which could take several months.


http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/turkey/8683471.asp?gid=231&sz=49562

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Postby Eric dayi » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:41 pm

cypezokyli wrote:if erdogan overcomes this obstacle as well, turkey will be making another step towards democracy (and the EU).


Maybe the people of Turkey should elect a TERRORIST or a COMMUNIST as their "President" like the so-called "RoC" and call it democracy. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 12, 2008 1:54 pm

Eric dayi wrote:
cypezokyli wrote:if erdogan overcomes this obstacle as well, turkey will be making another step towards democracy (and the EU).


Maybe the people of Turkey should elect a TERRORIST or a COMMUNIST as their "President" like the so-called "RoC" and call it democracy. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Atleast we have a REAL democracy where we can elect any government we like, without any interferance from the military.

And I do not know why you have a problem with Cypriots electing a communist leader. England and Australia also have a communist leadership. Talat is also a socialist. So what is the differance?
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:28 pm

Eric dayi wrote:
cypezokyli wrote:if erdogan overcomes this obstacle as well, turkey will be making another step towards democracy (and the EU).


Maybe the people of Turkey should elect a TERRORIST or a COMMUNIST as their "President" like the so-called "RoC" and call it democracy. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Somebody owes to explain to this fucked up dirty nationalist that:

a.) the "so-called" RoC, is not a "so-called" one for more than 80% of the TCs that obtained its passports and travel around the world as European (EU) citizens, and

b.) that the RoC, on the international Democracy index, ranks high at the prestigious 36th position, among 167 countries (top 20%; ) while his “glorious” motherland Turkey ranks at the low 88th position (bottom 50%) of the same ranking, within a category that is branded /regarded as one of hybrid regimes, i.e. regimes that are struggling between democracy and dictatorship.

http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/DEMO ... 007_v3.pdf

PS: Imagine if this Democracy index was not produced by “The Economist,” a magazine and an association well known historically for its fervent anti-Greek Cypriot and pro-Turkish views. Cyprus would have definitely ranked much higher than the 36th position and Turkey much lower than the 88th position.
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Postby boomerang » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:52 pm


Fighting for free speech in Turkey
Hundreds of writers have been prosecuted in Turkey for "insulting Turkishness", but Sarah Rainsford discovers that there are still some people willing to publish controversial books.

It is a very difficult time to be a writer in Turkey.


Turkish writer Orhan Pamuk won the Nobel prize for literature in 2006

Last year the prominent Turkish-Armenian journalist, Hrant Dink, was murdered. This year, an ultra-nationalist gang allegedly had the Nobel laureate Orhan Pamuk on its hit list.

Both men had been prosecuted for "insulting Turkishness".

Today, many writers once known for their forthright views have fallen silent. But one man is still putting himself on the line in a fight for free speech.

I found Ragip Zarakolu in one of the dimly-lit corridors of the Sultanahmet courthouse waiting to be called for his latest trial.

A small man with grey curls and crinkled kindly eyes, Mr Zarakolu is a publisher on a mission to shatter every taboo in Turkey.


Ragip Zarakolu: Time to confront the past

As a result, he once admitted to me with characteristic chuckle he is now the most prosecuted publisher in the country.

This time he is also accused of "insulting Turkishness" under article 301 of the penal code.

The case was opened after he published the work of a British writer. It was the story of the writer's family in 1915, when hundreds of thousands of Ottoman Armenians were deported as traitors during World War I.

Turkey's taboos

Ragip Zarakolu is one of very few Turks to challenge the official line, but it comes at a cost.

Shortly before his trial I visited his office just across the tram lines from Grand Bazaar. In a basement beneath McDonalds I discovered an Aladdin's cave of Turkey's taboos.



Crammed on to shelves and piled high on tables and on the floor were books on every controversial topic in Turkey, and an American ambassador's memoir of the Armenian massacres side by side with books on Kurdish nationalism.

"My late wife and I began by publishing the history of the Turkish Communist Party. That was the first taboo," Ragip Zarakolu explained, a pretty unlikely looking subversive in his woollen overcoat and brown moccasins.

The book came out in 1982, in the wake of a military coup. It was banned and later burned by the generals as a threat to social order and Ragip's wife was brought to trial.

A decade later the pair shifted focus to the plight of Turkey's Kurds. It was the height of the separatist insurgency and the mainly Kurdish south-east was under martial law.

Undaunted by yet another court case, they then published texts about the fate of the Ottoman Armenians.

"We decided it was time to confront our past and discuss it," Ragip explained.

But in 1993 that approach was not welcome. Ragip's wife was sentenced to two years in jail - under anti-terror legislation - for publishing the work of a French scholar about the Armenian massacres.

EU accession efforts

Turkey has changed enormously since then, working towards membership of the European Union. But the trials of writers and publishers continue.

Ironically, the book Mr Zarakolu is currently being prosecuted for is among his least controversial. It tells how a Turkish official protected the author's Armenian grandmother in 1915 - a Turkish Oskar Schindler.

Our society has traumas that we are avoiding

Ragip Zarakolu

But the insult charge was brought as nationalist feeling began to soar here, partly linked to Turkey's EU accession efforts.

The Justice Ministry recently revealed that 1,700 people were tried under Article 301 in 2006 alone. The best-known cases have all involved comments on the Armenian massacres.

"If you believe you are great, clean, and honest it is hard to face something like 1915," Ragip Zarakolu explained.

"Our society has traumas that we are avoiding.

"Really, we should see a therapist!"

Fuelling discussion

What Turkey has instead is Ragip Zarakolu relentlessly publishing books that delve into the darkest chapters of the past. And, despite the nationalist backlash, he is sure he is making a difference.

His books are read mainly by students and academics, but they have helped fuel a cautious discussion on topics that were once utterly off-limits.

And now the law may be changing too, to protect people's freedom to do just that.


The charges against Istanbul-based Orhan Pamuk were dropped

Under immense pressure from the EU, the Turkish government has proposed softening Article 301 on "insulting Turkishness".

Nationalist politicians are outraged, but for Ragip Zarakolu it was a well-timed move.

His trial was postponed until parliament decides whether the crime he is accused of should actually exist.

As we filed out of the courthouse into the sunshine, the veteran publisher was pleased. But he believes even a "reformed" Article 301 is dangerous, so his fight goes on.

"My wife went to prison for publishing the first book here on the Armenian genocide. Now I plan to print that book again and to include the notes from her trial," Ragip Zarakolu confided.

"Fifteen years later we'll see what happens!" he said.

Then, chuckling as usual, he wandered away from the court and down the street.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7342869.stm


Turning "turkey=fascist state" into a democracy is proving to be like pushing shit up hill...good luck Erdie, but don't hold your hopes too high... :roll:

And on a side note...this is the country that wants to have a foothold in any future Cyprus settlement...The point I don't understand is why the tcs, experiencing such a system, are bent over hell in giving it to us?...they hate us this much? :roll:

Bananiot take notice...


PS...effendi from bayarak...another article that seems to be missing from your editorial :lol: ...I get it no overtime rates on a Saturday ha? :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:09 pm

boomerang wrote:

Fighting for free speech in Turkey
Hundreds of writers have been prosecuted in Turkey for "insulting Turkishness", but Sarah Rainsford discovers that there are still some people willing to publish controversial books.

It is a very difficult time to be a writer in Turkey.


Turkish writer Orhan Pamuk won the Nobel prize for literature in 2006

Last year the prominent Turkish-Armenian journalist, Hrant Dink, was murdered. This year, an ultra-nationalist gang allegedly had the Nobel laureate Orhan Pamuk on its hit list.

Both men had been prosecuted for "insulting Turkishness".

Today, many writers once known for their forthright views have fallen silent. But one man is still putting himself on the line in a fight for free speech.

I found Ragip Zarakolu in one of the dimly-lit corridors of the Sultanahmet courthouse waiting to be called for his latest trial.

A small man with grey curls and crinkled kindly eyes, Mr Zarakolu is a publisher on a mission to shatter every taboo in Turkey.


Ragip Zarakolu: Time to confront the past

As a result, he once admitted to me with characteristic chuckle he is now the most prosecuted publisher in the country.

This time he is also accused of "insulting Turkishness" under article 301 of the penal code.

The case was opened after he published the work of a British writer. It was the story of the writer's family in 1915, when hundreds of thousands of Ottoman Armenians were deported as traitors during World War I.

Turkey's taboos

Ragip Zarakolu is one of very few Turks to challenge the official line, but it comes at a cost.

Shortly before his trial I visited his office just across the tram lines from Grand Bazaar. In a basement beneath McDonalds I discovered an Aladdin's cave of Turkey's taboos.



Crammed on to shelves and piled high on tables and on the floor were books on every controversial topic in Turkey, and an American ambassador's memoir of the Armenian massacres side by side with books on Kurdish nationalism.

"My late wife and I began by publishing the history of the Turkish Communist Party. That was the first taboo," Ragip Zarakolu explained, a pretty unlikely looking subversive in his woollen overcoat and brown moccasins.

The book came out in 1982, in the wake of a military coup. It was banned and later burned by the generals as a threat to social order and Ragip's wife was brought to trial.

A decade later the pair shifted focus to the plight of Turkey's Kurds. It was the height of the separatist insurgency and the mainly Kurdish south-east was under martial law.

Undaunted by yet another court case, they then published texts about the fate of the Ottoman Armenians.

"We decided it was time to confront our past and discuss it," Ragip explained.

But in 1993 that approach was not welcome. Ragip's wife was sentenced to two years in jail - under anti-terror legislation - for publishing the work of a French scholar about the Armenian massacres.

EU accession efforts

Turkey has changed enormously since then, working towards membership of the European Union. But the trials of writers and publishers continue.

Ironically, the book Mr Zarakolu is currently being prosecuted for is among his least controversial. It tells how a Turkish official protected the author's Armenian grandmother in 1915 - a Turkish Oskar Schindler.

Our society has traumas that we are avoiding

Ragip Zarakolu

But the insult charge was brought as nationalist feeling began to soar here, partly linked to Turkey's EU accession efforts.

The Justice Ministry recently revealed that 1,700 people were tried under Article 301 in 2006 alone. The best-known cases have all involved comments on the Armenian massacres.

"If you believe you are great, clean, and honest it is hard to face something like 1915," Ragip Zarakolu explained.

"Our society has traumas that we are avoiding.

"Really, we should see a therapist!"

Fuelling discussion

What Turkey has instead is Ragip Zarakolu relentlessly publishing books that delve into the darkest chapters of the past. And, despite the nationalist backlash, he is sure he is making a difference.

His books are read mainly by students and academics, but they have helped fuel a cautious discussion on topics that were once utterly off-limits.

And now the law may be changing too, to protect people's freedom to do just that.


The charges against Istanbul-based Orhan Pamuk were dropped

Under immense pressure from the EU, the Turkish government has proposed softening Article 301 on "insulting Turkishness".

Nationalist politicians are outraged, but for Ragip Zarakolu it was a well-timed move.

His trial was postponed until parliament decides whether the crime he is accused of should actually exist.

As we filed out of the courthouse into the sunshine, the veteran publisher was pleased. But he believes even a "reformed" Article 301 is dangerous, so his fight goes on.

"My wife went to prison for publishing the first book here on the Armenian genocide. Now I plan to print that book again and to include the notes from her trial," Ragip Zarakolu confided.

"Fifteen years later we'll see what happens!" he said.

Then, chuckling as usual, he wandered away from the court and down the street.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7342869.stm


Turning "turkey=fascist state" into a democracy is proving to be like pushing shit up hill...good luck Erdie, but don't hold your hopes too high... :roll:

And on a side note...this is the country that wants to have a foothold in any future Cyprus settlement...The point I don't understand is why the tcs, experiencing such a system, are bent over hell in giving it to us?...they hate us this much? :roll:

Bananiot take notice...


PS...effendi from bayarak...another article that seems to be missing from your editorial :lol: ...I get it no overtime rates on a Saturday ha? :lol:


Boomers. Are you after his job or something? :lol:
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Postby boomerang » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:11 pm

Filling in mate...effendi from bayarak is getting lazy... :lol: ...somebody has to do it... :lol:
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Postby xxNilxx » Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:36 pm

It was so obvious this post was going to come from Boomerang :roll:

I see that still the obsession with Turks hasn't gone Boom :wink:
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