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[Kikapu]

You are sinking depper and deeper, you are a GC to us and prove this beyond a doubt with every post saying you are not, you say there is no difference so whats your problem with being labelled a GC, your views are 100% in line with theirs and you do not argue anything not even the minimum of any viewpoint pro TC at all, never. your terminology is totally GC orientated, if you are TC and proud of it be a man and reveal your identity so that we may cross check if you are telling the truth once and for all. Then maybe you can tell us the truth about what the TC or Turks did to you that was so wrong for you to be so anti TC community, until this time your credibilty is zero. If you do not want to reveal your identity to the forum you can do it via private message or give me details of your family here in the TRNC so that I can cross check that you are telling the the truth otherwise you will always be conisdered a GC propogandist and no one will take you seriously as you will be the biggest liar here by changing your identity to argue the GC point of view even more fircely than the GCs themselves.

That's really rich coming from you, the guy who hid his birth place (UK)from everyone for couple of years, all the while telling stories about his sufferings in the 1960's when you only moved to live in Cyprus when you were 30 years old in 1992, and now doubles as "Unitedwestand" on the forum.

In any case VP, I'm here to ad my opinions, and not for you to believe or not believe what I write. I write mostly about NeoPartitionist and their aim, which is not the same as most ordinary TC's. You do not represent them. You only represent yourself and those who think like you. You are no more than 30%. The last survey taken in the "TRNC" clearly showed that.

Were you not defending "Expatkiwi" few days ago not to reveal to me where his parents are from, and now you want me to tell you everything personal about myself.

You sure do have double standards. Well, why not, you have two personalities on the forum, VP and "unitedwestand".

What, no response from VP to my post.???

Must have stopped him "dead" in his tracks.!!

[Kikapu]

Just because I pick on the NeoPartitionist and the "TRNC", don't be fooled to think that I approve everything that goes on in the RoC.

Kikapu, I'd be VERY interested to read an article on all the things happening in the RoC you disapprove of, and by the same token I'd like to see a similar article written by Bananiot on all that he doesn't approve happening in the "TRNC".

PLEASE...

I do not have time right now GR, but I'll try to get back to you at later date.

Fare enough...

hahahaaaaaa! I think some sort of studying time is needed because he has no idea about what is going on in the so called "RoC"...... :lol: PMSL......

That's right Zan, so how can I be a GC.

Thank you, I knew I can count on you to be fair.

He got you there old timer...

That's what you call a classic "Check Mate" move GR:lol:

Then again, when I give Zan a little extra rope, it tends to be bad for his health, because he ends up hanging himself every time.

[Viewpoint]

You are sinking depper and deeper, you are a GC to us and prove this beyond a doubt with every post saying you are not, you say there is no difference so whats your problem with being labelled a GC, your views are 100% in line with theirs and you do not argue anything not even the minimum of any viewpoint pro TC at all, never. your terminology is totally GC orientated, if you are TC and proud of it be a man and reveal your identity so that we may cross check if you are telling the truth once and for all. Then maybe you can tell us the truth about what the TC or Turks did to you that was so wrong for you to be so anti TC community, until this time your credibilty is zero. If you do not want to reveal your identity to the forum you can do it via private message or give me details of your family here in the TRNC so that I can cross check that you are telling the the truth otherwise you will always be conisdered a GC propogandist and no one will take you seriously as you will be the biggest liar here by changing your identity to argue the GC point of view even more fircely than the GCs themselves.

That's really rich coming from you, the guy who hid his birth place (UK)from everyone for couple of years, all the while telling stories about his sufferings in the 1960's when you only moved to live in Cyprus when you were 30 years old in 1992, and now doubles as "Unitedwestand" on the forum.

In any case VP, I'm here to ad my opinions, and not for you to believe or not believe what I write. I write mostly about NeoPartitionist and their aim, which is not the same as most ordinary TC's. You do not represent them. You only represent yourself and those who think like you. You are no more than 30%. The last survey taken in the "TRNC" clearly showed that.

Were you not defending "Expatkiwi" few days ago not to reveal to me where his parents are from, and now you want me to tell you everything personal about myself.

You sure do have double standards. Well, why not, you have two personalities on the forum, VP and "unitedwestand".

What, no response from VP to my post.???

Must have stopped him "dead" in his tracks.!!

Apologies didnt see this post, I do not need to prove I am not united as we are not the same person you can think what you wish I dont really give a shit. As for defending him arent you being hypocritical when you ask him to reveal his identity but refuse to reveal yours. He is not the one with great doubts as to what he claims, you have a great deal to loose if the truth is revealed that you are GC, no TC can argue the exact GC line, there are signs which reveal they are TCs you do not show any of these signs, why are you so scared to reveal or give details that will confirm you are a TC and not a GC, you insult the GC community by refusing to accept what you are, yet you need to claim you are a TC in order to support the GC viewpoint, why not be truthful and tell us what you are and why you support the GC so much and hate the TCs and Turks so much. If you are a TC then something must have happened to you or your family to generate the venomm you spew out and if you are a GC you are an imposter whos arguements are worthless as you have used deception to gain support from TC, fortunately you have been unsucessful a failure as TCs can see right through.

At least I revealed personal details about myself how about you, prove you are TC give us anything that will prove beyond a doubt that you are a TC.

[zan]

You are sinking depper and deeper, you are a GC to us and prove this beyond a doubt with every post saying you are not, you say there is no difference so whats your problem with being labelled a GC, your views are 100% in line with theirs and you do not argue anything not even the minimum of any viewpoint pro TC at all, never. your terminology is totally GC orientated, if you are TC and proud of it be a man and reveal your identity so that we may cross check if you are telling the truth once and for all. Then maybe you can tell us the truth about what the TC or Turks did to you that was so wrong for you to be so anti TC community, until this time your credibilty is zero. If you do not want to reveal your identity to the forum you can do it via private message or give me details of your family here in the TRNC so that I can cross check that you are telling the the truth otherwise you will always be conisdered a GC propogandist and no one will take you seriously as you will be the biggest liar here by changing your identity to argue the GC point of view even more fircely than the GCs themselves.

That's really rich coming from you, the guy who hid his birth place (UK)from everyone for couple of years, all the while telling stories about his sufferings in the 1960's when you only moved to live in Cyprus when you were 30 years old in 1992, and now doubles as "Unitedwestand" on the forum.

In any case VP, I'm here to ad my opinions, and not for you to believe or not believe what I write. I write mostly about NeoPartitionist and their aim, which is not the same as most ordinary TC's. You do not represent them. You only represent yourself and those who think like you. You are no more than 30%. The last survey taken in the "TRNC" clearly showed that.

Were you not defending "Expatkiwi" few days ago not to reveal to me where his parents are from, and now you want me to tell you everything personal about myself.

You sure do have double standards. Well, why not, you have two personalities on the forum, VP and "unitedwestand".

What, no response from VP to my post.???

Must have stopped him "dead" in his tracks.!!

Flippin heck mate...Do you masterbate with a picture of yourself in front of you?? You disappear for weeks and come back and not answer a thing and then come here patting yourself on the back prematurely...which is what probably happens when you look at a picture of you!!! FO!!

[zan]

Just because I pick on the NeoPartitionist and the "TRNC", don't be fooled to think that I approve everything that goes on in the RoC.

Kikapu, I'd be VERY interested to read an article on all the things happening in the RoC you disapprove of, and by the same token I'd like to see a similar article written by Bananiot on all that he doesn't approve happening in the "TRNC".

PLEASE...

I do not have time right now GR, but I'll try to get back to you at later date.

Fare enough...

hahahaaaaaa! I think some sort of studying time is needed because he has no idea about what is going on in the so called "RoC"...... :lol: PMSL......

That's right Zan, so how can I be a GC.

Thank you, I knew I can count on you to be fair.

He got you there old timer...

That's what you call a classic "Check Mate" move GR:lol:

Then again, when I give Zan a little extra rope, it tends to be bad for his health, because he ends up hanging himself every time.

The same goes for this post as well......

By the way...Did you find anything wrong with the "RoC"....Someone speeding perhaps...Or maybe spitting in the street????Or how about mass corruption in government...More research for you I think!!!

[Kikapu]

You are sinking depper and deeper, you are a GC to us and prove this beyond a doubt with every post saying you are not, you say there is no difference so whats your problem with being labelled a GC, your views are 100% in line with theirs and you do not argue anything not even the minimum of any viewpoint pro TC at all, never. your terminology is totally GC orientated, if you are TC and proud of it be a man and reveal your identity so that we may cross check if you are telling the truth once and for all. Then maybe you can tell us the truth about what the TC or Turks did to you that was so wrong for you to be so anti TC community, until this time your credibilty is zero. If you do not want to reveal your identity to the forum you can do it via private message or give me details of your family here in the TRNC so that I can cross check that you are telling the the truth otherwise you will always be conisdered a GC propogandist and no one will take you seriously as you will be the biggest liar here by changing your identity to argue the GC point of view even more fircely than the GCs themselves.

That's really rich coming from you, the guy who hid his birth place (UK)from everyone for couple of years, all the while telling stories about his sufferings in the 1960's when you only moved to live in Cyprus when you were 30 years old in 1992, and now doubles as "Unitedwestand" on the forum.

In any case VP, I'm here to ad my opinions, and not for you to believe or not believe what I write. I write mostly about NeoPartitionist and their aim, which is not the same as most ordinary TC's. You do not represent them. You only represent yourself and those who think like you. You are no more than 30%. The last survey taken in the "TRNC" clearly showed that.

Were you not defending "Expatkiwi" few days ago not to reveal to me where his parents are from, and now you want me to tell you everything personal about myself.

You sure do have double standards. Well, why not, you have two personalities on the forum, VP and "unitedwestand".

What, no response from VP to my post.???

Must have stopped him "dead" in his tracks.!!

Apologies didnt see this post, I do not need to prove I am not united as we are not the same person you can think what you wish I dont really give a shit. As for defending him arent you being hypocritical when you ask him to reveal his identity but refuse to reveal yours. He is not the one with great doubts as to what he claims, you have a great deal to loose if the truth is revealed that you are GC, no TC can argue the exact GC line, there are signs which reveal they are TCs you do not show any of these signs, why are you so scared to reveal or give details that will confirm you are a TC and not a GC, you insult the GC community by refusing to accept what you are, yet you need to claim you are a TC in order to support the GC viewpoint, why not be truthful and tell us what you are and why you support the GC so much and hate the TCs and Turks so much. If you are a TC then something must have happened to you or your family to generate the venomm you spew out and if you are a GC you are an imposter whos arguements are worthless as you have used deception to gain support from TC, fortunately you have been unsucessful a failure as TCs can see right through.

At least I revealed personal details about myself how about you, prove you are TC give us anything that will prove beyond a doubt that you are a TC.

I did not ask Expatkiwi to reveal himself, so lets get the story correct. I asked him to tell me where his parents come from. Don't you think that's a little different than what you want me to do ??. Besides, I offered to meet with you last year in Cyprus and you flat out refused, so don't come crying to me now to give you information on my family. Why the hell do I care what you believe or not believe. If you think there's nothing wrong in me sending you personal information, then send me all your personal information and then I'll come and meet with you one day and your family for a dinner. How does that sound.??? By the way VP, you have not revealed any information about yourself. We had to get it out of you. Some even believe that you are a woman.!! From day one on the forum, I have talked about my life and family openly. You don't believe me, then start reading from day one, or else SHUT UP.!!

There's nothing that says I'm a GC from what I write. You cannot point anything hateful towards the TC's or the Turks as you claim. Lets see the evidence, since you are so cocky with your information. The truth of the matter VP, is that you support illegal, immoral, Human Rights violation and undemocratic activities as all your NeoPartitionist does, and I do not and neither does great deal of Cypriots. If others do not support your immoral activities, then they cannot be TC's. Is that your understanding VP, that all the TC's are morally corrupt.?? Well, I do not believe all the TC's have gone all morally corrupt, only the NeoPartitionist. Why are you so ashamed to admit the above, rather than trying to dismiss them, because you think if a GC person says it, then it's just sour grapes on their part, but if it comes from a TC, then it must be true, therefore he cannot be a TC, so he must be a GC. You are a very simple person to work out VP, so do not give up your Day Job to become a Full Time Propagandist, because your family will starve. It's bad enough having you and Zan as a Part-Time Propagandist.

Here is another post from another thread. I think it explains everything about me, so no need for me to repeat my self.

You are totally wrong and that is why you reconfirm why you are not a TC, we do not trust the majority with our future they tried to abuse it before under the safeguards of a veto, so experience tell us that giving them a free hand and giving up our community rights will cause us great pain in the future. Why do you not start to argue positive the TC viewpoint for a change, can you not find one subject where we might be right?

You are totally wrong and that is why you reconfirm why you are not a TC,

I'm actually a Cypriot first, then a TC, just that we get things in the right order. It is this fact that drives you crazy. A True Turkish Cypriot's opinion of the wrong doings of his own community, is your worse nightmare VP. Why is that.?? You never tell me what I write is not true, only you complain that I'm to hard on ourselves and not on the GC's. Well, the truth is, but I'm not hard on the TC's at all and you will not find anything that says that, but on the Racist and Fascist Neo Partitionist and all the Morally Corrupted officials in the "TRNC" who are in the pockets of the Drug dealers, Human Traffickers, Whorehouse Operators, Gambling Establishments, Dealers in stolen GC Property Profiteers and so on. Do you support these people I've named above, because I do not, since they are an obstacle to a lasting peace.

But since you like to keep flogging a dead horse that I'm not a TC, when my TC signature is all over this forum from day one who wants the best for all Cypriots, I'll tell you what kind of a TC that I am NOT or supports any of the followings.

I'm not Racist, Unprincipled, Unethical, Morally Corrupted, Fascist, GC Hater, violator of others Human Rights, supporter of Undemocratic Institutions and Illegal states, Partition of my Country, Racist segregation of Cypriots, forced division, violation of International Laws, violation of United Nations resolutions, and any and all activities that are practiced to keep the island of Cyprus divided.

If the above are what TC's support and embrace, then I guess I'm not a TC, but just a Cypriot only. If that's the case, I can live with that. But in reality, that is not who TC's are and you always try to hide behind the TC's with your accusations of me. The list above represents only those who are Morally Corrupted and who are Neo Partitionist. True Turkish Cypriots are Cypriots at heart and not the ones you know in your own Morally Corrupted Circles.

we do not trust the majority with our future they tried to abuse it before under the safeguards of a veto, so experience tell us that giving them a free hand and giving up our community rights will cause us great pain in the future. [/b]

No one said the TC's should not have safeguards, just as safeguards are needed for the GC's and for Cyprus. There are no Community Rights. You can have minority rights if you wish, or just be an equal citizen with everyone else. If we are going to have community rights for ethnic groups in Cyprus, then lets give it to everyone, regardless of their size. Lets give everyone a Veto Power over everyone else. Will you agree to this, or is it only the TC's need veto power. I can't even trust you with a Confederacy under a "virgin birth" concept, because it will be too easy for the Neo Partitionist to declare Independence. What safeguards do I get from you for not doing that. I just forgot something. If the Neo Partitonist are given the above, there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, Veto Power or no Veto Power, since you also want Turkey to have Intervention Rights, to help you get Independence. Why do I think you will do that, is because it's like playing Chess with you and Zan, and that I can see your moves few steps in advance. The fact that the Neo Partitionist do not want True Federation and True Democracy, leads me to believe is what the future plans would be. Had the 2004 AP passed, what I say would have already happened by now.......legally, because the North would have been considered to be a "Turkish state" or as the Turkish General said the other day, that the "TRNC" "has sovereign rights". Imagine what he would be saying had the Disguised Partition Annan Plan passed in 2004. He would be saying along with the Neo Partitonist to the GC's, "see you suckers".

Why do you not start to argue positive the TC viewpoint for a change, can you not find one subject where we might be right? [/b]

I have been pushing for a just and fair solution for the TC's under a True Federation and True Democracy, perhaps the only TC here. Is that such a terrible suggestion.??

But to get to your silly games here for asking me to make a positive points to the TC's. As I said, I do not pick on the TC's but the Neo Partitonist and the "TRNC" officials in general, but nice try to once again try to hide behind the TC's for protection while you throw accusations. I have no respect for those who are too coward to fight their own battles in the open, but instead hide behind others.

I have answered you before, but let me do it one last time. This comes in two parts.

1. Do you want me to say something positive that includes Undemocratic, Racist or Human Rights violation have been committed on Cypriots in general.

2. Do you want me to say something positive, that does not include the above violations.

So VP, do you want me to answer Number 1 or Number 2 for you. You can only choose one.

As I remember, I had asked you to say something positive about the "TRNC" a while back with Number 1 used as the criteria, and after a week of thinking about it, your answer was "freedom of movement".

No, it was not on April 1st when you said that. Had it been, I would not have laughed so much.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=180

And your pathetic answer to my post was this.

You are doing it again a lot of verbal excess which really says bugger all and then you attempt to answer the real question but fail miserably. You obviously cannot back anything the TCs claim or put forward, you have no sympathy or understanding of our concerns and why we need safeguards and what they should be therefore your are unable to argue any of the TC viewpoints because you cannot and people know why.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=180

I can see that, backing up your accusations is not one of your STRONG POINTS.

I have spent too much toying with you on your accusation. This is the last time I'm going to do it. As long as you support illegal, immoral, undemocratic and violation on Human Rights, I'm going to be in your face as a TC, because contrary to what you believe, we are not all corrupted like all of your NeoPartitionist and Fascist friends. There are a lot of good TC's in Cyprus and around the world. Just because we do not take part in your ideal world of "Animal Farm" for Cyprus where the "Pigs" are in charge, there's no need top get your "nickers in a twist" just because we choose to be part of a Democratic society instead.

[Viewpoint]

You are sinking depper and deeper, you are a GC to us and prove this beyond a doubt with every post saying you are not, you say there is no difference so whats your problem with being labelled a GC, your views are 100% in line with theirs and you do not argue anything not even the minimum of any viewpoint pro TC at all, never. your terminology is totally GC orientated, if you are TC and proud of it be a man and reveal your identity so that we may cross check if you are telling the truth once and for all. Then maybe you can tell us the truth about what the TC or Turks did to you that was so wrong for you to be so anti TC community, until this time your credibilty is zero. If you do not want to reveal your identity to the forum you can do it via private message or give me details of your family here in the TRNC so that I can cross check that you are telling the the truth otherwise you will always be conisdered a GC propogandist and no one will take you seriously as you will be the biggest liar here by changing your identity to argue the GC point of view even more fircely than the GCs themselves.

That's really rich coming from you, the guy who hid his birth place (UK)from everyone for couple of years, all the while telling stories about his sufferings in the 1960's when you only moved to live in Cyprus when you were 30 years old in 1992, and now doubles as "Unitedwestand" on the forum.

In any case VP, I'm here to ad my opinions, and not for you to believe or not believe what I write. I write mostly about NeoPartitionist and their aim, which is not the same as most ordinary TC's. You do not represent them. You only represent yourself and those who think like you. You are no more than 30%. The last survey taken in the "TRNC" clearly showed that.

Were you not defending "Expatkiwi" few days ago not to reveal to me where his parents are from, and now you want me to tell you everything personal about myself.

You sure do have double standards. Well, why not, you have two personalities on the forum, VP and "unitedwestand".

What, no response from VP to my post.???

Must have stopped him "dead" in his tracks.!!

Apologies didnt see this post, I do not need to prove I am not united as we are not the same person you can think what you wish I dont really give a shit. As for defending him arent you being hypocritical when you ask him to reveal his identity but refuse to reveal yours. He is not the one with great doubts as to what he claims, you have a great deal to loose if the truth is revealed that you are GC, no TC can argue the exact GC line, there are signs which reveal they are TCs you do not show any of these signs, why are you so scared to reveal or give details that will confirm you are a TC and not a GC, you insult the GC community by refusing to accept what you are, yet you need to claim you are a TC in order to support the GC viewpoint, why not be truthful and tell us what you are and why you support the GC so much and hate the TCs and Turks so much. If you are a TC then something must have happened to you or your family to generate the venomm you spew out and if you are a GC you are an imposter whos arguements are worthless as you have used deception to gain support from TC, fortunately you have been unsucessful a failure as TCs can see right through.

At least I revealed personal details about myself how about you, prove you are TC give us anything that will prove beyond a doubt that you are a TC.

I did not ask Expatkiwi to reveal himself, so lets get the story correct. I asked him to tell me where his parents come from. Don't you think that's a little different than what you want me to do ??. Besides, I offered to meet with you last year in Cyprus and you flat out refused, so don't come crying to me now to give you information on my family. Why the hell do I care what you believe or not believe. If you think there's nothing wrong in me sending you personal information, then send me all your personal information and then I'll come and meet with you one day and your family for a dinner. How does that sound.??? By the way VP, you have not revealed any information about yourself. We had to get it out of you. Some even believe that you are a woman.!! From day one on the forum, I have talked about my life and family openly. You don't believe me, then start reading from day one, or else SHUT UP.!!

There's nothing that says I'm a GC from what I write. You cannot point anything hateful towards the TC's or the Turks as you claim. Lets see the evidence, since you are so cocky with your information. The truth of the matter VP, is that you support illegal, immoral, Human Rights violation and undemocratic activities as all your NeoPartitionist does, and I do not and neither does great deal of Cypriots. If others do not support your immoral activities, then they cannot be TC's. Is that your understanding VP, that all the TC's are morally corrupt.?? Well, I do not believe all the TC's have gone all morally corrupt, only the NeoPartitionist. Why are you so ashamed to admit the above, rather than trying to dismiss them, because you think if a GC person says it, then it's just sour grapes on their part, but if it comes from a TC, then it must be true, therefore he cannot be a TC, so he must be a GC. You are a very simple person to work out VP, so do not give up your Day Job to become a Full Time Propagandist, because your family will starve. It's bad enough having you and Zan as a Part-Time Propagandist.

Here is another post from another thread. I think it explains everything about me, so no need for me to repeat my self.

You are totally wrong and that is why you reconfirm why you are not a TC, we do not trust the majority with our future they tried to abuse it before under the safeguards of a veto, so experience tell us that giving them a free hand and giving up our community rights will cause us great pain in the future. Why do you not start to argue positive the TC viewpoint for a change, can you not find one subject where we might be right?

You are totally wrong and that is why you reconfirm why you are not a TC,

I'm actually a Cypriot first, then a TC, just that we get things in the right order. It is this fact that drives you crazy. A True Turkish Cypriot's opinion of the wrong doings of his own community, is your worse nightmare VP. Why is that.?? You never tell me what I write is not true, only you complain that I'm to hard on ourselves and not on the GC's. Well, the truth is, but I'm not hard on the TC's at all and you will not find anything that says that, but on the Racist and Fascist Neo Partitionist and all the Morally Corrupted officials in the "TRNC" who are in the pockets of the Drug dealers, Human Traffickers, Whorehouse Operators, Gambling Establishments, Dealers in stolen GC Property Profiteers and so on. Do you support these people I've named above, because I do not, since they are an obstacle to a lasting peace.

But since you like to keep flogging a dead horse that I'm not a TC, when my TC signature is all over this forum from day one who wants the best for all Cypriots, I'll tell you what kind of a TC that I am NOT or supports any of the followings.

I'm not Racist, Unprincipled, Unethical, Morally Corrupted, Fascist, GC Hater, violator of others Human Rights, supporter of Undemocratic Institutions and Illegal states, Partition of my Country, Racist segregation of Cypriots, forced division, violation of International Laws, violation of United Nations resolutions, and any and all activities that are practiced to keep the island of Cyprus divided.

If the above are what TC's support and embrace, then I guess I'm not a TC, but just a Cypriot only. If that's the case, I can live with that. But in reality, that is not who TC's are and you always try to hide behind the TC's with your accusations of me. The list above represents only those who are Morally Corrupted and who are Neo Partitionist. True Turkish Cypriots are Cypriots at heart and not the ones you know in your own Morally Corrupted Circles.

we do not trust the majority with our future they tried to abuse it before under the safeguards of a veto, so experience tell us that giving them a free hand and giving up our community rights will cause us great pain in the future. [/b]

No one said the TC's should not have safeguards, just as safeguards are needed for the GC's and for Cyprus. There are no Community Rights. You can have minority rights if you wish, or just be an equal citizen with everyone else. If we are going to have community rights for ethnic groups in Cyprus, then lets give it to everyone, regardless of their size. Lets give everyone a Veto Power over everyone else. Will you agree to this, or is it only the TC's need veto power. I can't even trust you with a Confederacy under a "virgin birth" concept, because it will be too easy for the Neo Partitionist to declare Independence. What safeguards do I get from you for not doing that. I just forgot something. If the Neo Partitonist are given the above, there is nothing anyone can do to stop it, Veto Power or no Veto Power, since you also want Turkey to have Intervention Rights, to help you get Independence. Why do I think you will do that, is because it's like playing Chess with you and Zan, and that I can see your moves few steps in advance. The fact that the Neo Partitionist do not want True Federation and True Democracy, leads me to believe is what the future plans would be. Had the 2004 AP passed, what I say would have already happened by now.......legally, because the North would have been considered to be a "Turkish state" or as the Turkish General said the other day, that the "TRNC" "has sovereign rights". Imagine what he would be saying had the Disguised Partition Annan Plan passed in 2004. He would be saying along with the Neo Partitonist to the GC's, "see you suckers".

Why do you not start to argue positive the TC viewpoint for a change, can you not find one subject where we might be right? [/b]

I have been pushing for a just and fair solution for the TC's under a True Federation and True Democracy, perhaps the only TC here. Is that such a terrible suggestion.??

But to get to your silly games here for asking me to make a positive points to the TC's. As I said, I do not pick on the TC's but the Neo Partitonist and the "TRNC" officials in general, but nice try to once again try to hide behind the TC's for protection while you throw accusations. I have no respect for those who are too coward to fight their own battles in the open, but instead hide behind others.

I have answered you before, but let me do it one last time. This comes in two parts.

1. Do you want me to say something positive that includes Undemocratic, Racist or Human Rights violation have been committed on Cypriots in general.

2. Do you want me to say something positive, that does not include the above violations.

So VP, do you want me to answer Number 1 or Number 2 for you. You can only choose one.

As I remember, I had asked you to say something positive about the "TRNC" a while back with Number 1 used as the criteria, and after a week of thinking about it, your answer was "freedom of movement".

No, it was not on April 1st when you said that. Had it been, I would not have laughed so much.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=180

And your pathetic answer to my post was this.

You are doing it again a lot of verbal excess which really says bugger all and then you attempt to answer the real question but fail miserably. You obviously cannot back anything the TCs claim or put forward, you have no sympathy or understanding of our concerns and why we need safeguards and what they should be therefore your are unable to argue any of the TC viewpoints because you cannot and people know why.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=180

I can see that, backing up your accusations is not one of your STRONG POINTS.

I have spent too much toying with you on your accusation. This is the last time I'm going to do it. As long as you support illegal, immoral, undemocratic and violation on Human Rights, I'm going to be in your face as a TC, because contrary to what you believe, we are not all corrupted like all of your NeoPartitionist and Fascist friends. There are a lot of good TC's in Cyprus and around the world. Just because we do not take part in your ideal world of "Animal Farm" for Cyprus where the "Pigs" are in charge, there's no need top get your "nickers in a twist" just because we choose to be part of a Democratic society instead.

Proves my point 100%, you are not a TC, nothing absolutely nothing you say is pro TC, you are void of the ability to argue in favor of the TC position, are we 100% wrong? have we no points were we may be 1% right? all your verbally exaggerated attempts at arguing the Cyprus issue as a TC are invalid, even Bir whom many TCs do not see eye to eye with displays the signs of a TC, you do not full stop.

I would not let you anywhere near my family as I feel you are a liar and a hypocrite a wolf in sheep's clothing, the day will come when all will be revealed that you are a GC and your already flagging credibility will be zero. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a GC I have good friends who are. I am a TC and live in the TRNC I can prove this by visiting any one of your relatives tomorrow and revealing who I am the challenge is there if you have the balls, otherwise I will continue to see you as a GC and accept your arguments in that light.

[zan]

You better believe it VP....The man is a convert...He thought he was a TC for a while and now wants to lick GC arses....Let him......I have no problem with what he is,...He seems to be ashamed to admit....He has to live with it...

[Eric dayi]

Proves my point 100%, you are not a TC, nothing absolutely nothing you say is pro TC, you are void of the ability to argue in favor of the TC position, are we 100% wrong? have we no points were we may be 1% right? all your verbally exaggerated attempts at arguing the Cyprus issue as a TC are invalid, even Bir whom many TCs do not see eye to eye with displays the signs of a TC, you do not full stop.

I would not let you anywhere near my family as I feel you are a liar and a hypocrite a wolf in sheep's clothing, the day will come when all will be revealed that you are a GC and your already flagging credibility will be zero. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a GC I have good friends who are. I am a TC and live in the TRNC I can prove this by visiting any one of your relatives tomorrow and revealing who I am the challenge is there if you have the balls, otherwise I will continue to see you as a GC and accept your arguments in that light.

VP, ask kick-a-poonokio why he referred to us TCs as "mongols" if he is not a GC or at least converted to being a GC.

[DT.]

Thats right Kikapu, tell Zan and VP where your relatives live. I'm sure they'll be fine.