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Postby zan » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:57 pm

Paphitis wrote:I am still waiting for an answer to my question. Zan, where have you run off to?


Sorry...which question was that again...I forgot ???
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Postby boomerang » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:03 pm

zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:Zan your responce to "turkey=fascist state" being well below the standard as to what Kifeas was saying doesn't revolve around the Cyprus problem...And I am sure the body that published this report did not take this into account...

Your twisted logic blaming "turkey's=fascist state" woes on the Cyprus problem is ludicrous... :lol:


Blinkers on....Only one runner.....Your race is over Boomers.......Let the others who know they are donkeys have some fun... :roll: :roll: :roll:

If Greece and the so called "RoC" were not forever trying to screw things up for Turkey to try and get hold of Cyprus and the entire drilling rights in the region then Turkey would have had to pull it's socks up, just like Greece did, to get into the EU......If the pressure was not put on Greece to improve it self then it would not have gotten near the the standard required...Even today it is lacking in some respects of Human rights and living in the 21st century but you guys are too full of shit to see that,.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh I see the RoC and Greece kept "turkey=fascist state" from evolving into a modern state..jeez why didn't I think of this... :arrow: :shock: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:

and the blame game begins... :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:


Now that the penny has dropped Boomers...You had better inform Greek HQ that all those obstacles that they are putting in front of Turkeys EU hopes are a waste of time......Silly fools......Have they got nothing better to waste their time on....Quick...there is no time to waste!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)


Yeah the penny drop...you are right ...you just found the answer to all the woes of "turkey=fascist state"....and for this you get to chose the colour of your jacket...
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:arrow: :roll: :arrow: 8) :lol: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :lol: :arrow: 8)


You sure you can spare one you nutter :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Sorry haven't got one...I ain't the one living in the wild wild west... :arrow: 8) :arrow: :lol: :lol:
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Postby miltiades » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:05 pm

Likns available to anyone wanting to marvell at the happenings in Zan's new modern world !!!
FORCED MARRIAGES IN TURKEY :
"""Forced marriage, in contrast to arranged marriage, has been described as 'any marriage conducted without the valid consent of both parties and [which] may involve coercion, mental abuse, emotional blackmail, and intense family or social pressure. In the most extreme cases, it may also involve physical violence, abuse, abduction, detention, and murder of the individual concerned' (2 June 2004).

Based on research in the eastern and southeastern regions of Turkey, WWHR reported that 50.8 per cent of women "were married without their consent although the consent of both the woman and the man is a precondition for marriage according to Turkish Law" (Apr. 2002). Corroborating information on the prevalence of forced marriage in Turkey could not be found among the sources consulted by the Research Directorate.

Amnesty International characterizes forced marriage as a form of violence against women by family members, that takes various expressions within Turkish Society: "early marriage, berdel (the barter of women to avoid paying dowries and other marriage expenses) and besik kertmesi (a form of arranged marriage in which families barter newborn daughters, forcing them to marry as soon as they are considered old enough)" (2 June 2004).

Young girls living in rural areas, specifically in eastern Anatolia, face difficulties, in trying to oppose forced marriage since under tribal custom they are considered the property of either their father before marriage or by their husband afterwards and if they resist social pressure from the community, "they do so at their peril" (MEI 11 Jan.2002). Similarly, according to one of the leaders of WWHR, rural women are likely to be marginalized in the context of changes induced by the new Civil Code, including the raising of the legal age for marriage to 18, as they "must contend with traditions and customs, [including underage marriage] that have little to do with the legislative revisions their urban sisters enjoy" (Women's Enews 13 Jan. 2002). ""
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Postby zan » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:07 pm

boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:Zan your responce to "turkey=fascist state" being well below the standard as to what Kifeas was saying doesn't revolve around the Cyprus problem...And I am sure the body that published this report did not take this into account...

Your twisted logic blaming "turkey's=fascist state" woes on the Cyprus problem is ludicrous... :lol:


Blinkers on....Only one runner.....Your race is over Boomers.......Let the others who know they are donkeys have some fun... :roll: :roll: :roll:

If Greece and the so called "RoC" were not forever trying to screw things up for Turkey to try and get hold of Cyprus and the entire drilling rights in the region then Turkey would have had to pull it's socks up, just like Greece did, to get into the EU......If the pressure was not put on Greece to improve it self then it would not have gotten near the the standard required...Even today it is lacking in some respects of Human rights and living in the 21st century but you guys are too full of shit to see that,.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh I see the RoC and Greece kept "turkey=fascist state" from evolving into a modern state..jeez why didn't I think of this... :arrow: :shock: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:

and the blame game begins... :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:


Now that the penny has dropped Boomers...You had better inform Greek HQ that all those obstacles that they are putting in front of Turkeys EU hopes are a waste of time......Silly fools......Have they got nothing better to waste their time on....Quick...there is no time to waste!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)


Yeah the penny drop...you are right ...you just found the answer to all the woes of "turkey=fascist state"....and for this you get to chose the colour of your jacket...
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:arrow: :roll: :arrow: 8) :lol: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :lol: :arrow: 8)


You sure you can spare one you nutter :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Sorry haven't got one...I ain't the one living in the wild wild west... :arrow: 8) :arrow: :lol: :lol:


Come on now...Don't be so modest...that pink one should go with your daddy bear gay image :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby zan » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:08 pm

miltiades wrote:Likns available to anyone wanting to marvell at the happenings in Zan's new modern world !!!
FORCED MARRIAGES IN TURKEY :
"""Forced marriage, in contrast to arranged marriage, has been described as 'any marriage conducted without the valid consent of both parties and [which] may involve coercion, mental abuse, emotional blackmail, and intense family or social pressure. In the most extreme cases, it may also involve physical violence, abuse, abduction, detention, and murder of the individual concerned' (2 June 2004).

Based on research in the eastern and southeastern regions of Turkey, WWHR reported that 50.8 per cent of women "were married without their consent although the consent of both the woman and the man is a precondition for marriage according to Turkish Law" (Apr. 2002). Corroborating information on the prevalence of forced marriage in Turkey could not be found among the sources consulted by the Research Directorate.

Amnesty International characterizes forced marriage as a form of violence against women by family members, that takes various expressions within Turkish Society: "early marriage, berdel (the barter of women to avoid paying dowries and other marriage expenses) and besik kertmesi (a form of arranged marriage in which families barter newborn daughters, forcing them to marry as soon as they are considered old enough)" (2 June 2004).

Young girls living in rural areas, specifically in eastern Anatolia, face difficulties, in trying to oppose forced marriage since under tribal custom they are considered the property of either their father before marriage or by their husband afterwards and if they resist social pressure from the community, "they do so at their peril" (MEI 11 Jan.2002). Similarly, according to one of the leaders of WWHR, rural women are likely to be marginalized in the context of changes induced by the new Civil Code, including the raising of the legal age for marriage to 18, as they "must contend with traditions and customs, [including underage marriage] that have little to do with the legislative revisions their urban sisters enjoy" (Women's Enews 13 Jan. 2002). ""


Oh NO!!!! We are doomed..One side we have the TUrks and the other murdering GCs that were in the EOKA movement that even killed their own by the thousand and blamed it on Turkey......Slimey bastards.... :lol: :lol:
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Postby boomerang » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:14 pm

zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:Zan your responce to "turkey=fascist state" being well below the standard as to what Kifeas was saying doesn't revolve around the Cyprus problem...And I am sure the body that published this report did not take this into account...

Your twisted logic blaming "turkey's=fascist state" woes on the Cyprus problem is ludicrous... :lol:


Blinkers on....Only one runner.....Your race is over Boomers.......Let the others who know they are donkeys have some fun... :roll: :roll: :roll:

If Greece and the so called "RoC" were not forever trying to screw things up for Turkey to try and get hold of Cyprus and the entire drilling rights in the region then Turkey would have had to pull it's socks up, just like Greece did, to get into the EU......If the pressure was not put on Greece to improve it self then it would not have gotten near the the standard required...Even today it is lacking in some respects of Human rights and living in the 21st century but you guys are too full of shit to see that,.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh I see the RoC and Greece kept "turkey=fascist state" from evolving into a modern state..jeez why didn't I think of this... :arrow: :shock: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:

and the blame game begins... :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:


Now that the penny has dropped Boomers...You had better inform Greek HQ that all those obstacles that they are putting in front of Turkeys EU hopes are a waste of time......Silly fools......Have they got nothing better to waste their time on....Quick...there is no time to waste!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)


Yeah the penny drop...you are right ...you just found the answer to all the woes of "turkey=fascist state"....and for this you get to chose the colour of your jacket...
Image

:arrow: :roll: :arrow: 8) :lol: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :lol: :arrow: 8)


You sure you can spare one you nutter :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Sorry haven't got one...I ain't the one living in the wild wild west... :arrow: 8) :arrow: :lol: :lol:


Come on now...Don't be so modest...that pink one should go with your daddy bear gay image :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:


hmmm...apart from wild theories....colour blind as well...or just maybe subconsiously you picked your fav colour.... :arrow: :?: :arrow: 8) :arrow: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:16 pm

Paphitis wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:Zan your responce to "turkey=fascist state" being well below the standard as to what Kifeas was saying doesn't revolve around the Cyprus problem...And I am sure the body that published this report did not take this into account...

Your twisted logic blaming "turkey's=fascist state" woes on the Cyprus problem is ludicrous... :lol:


Blinkers on....Only one runner.....Your race is over Boomers.......Let the others who know they are donkeys have some fun... :roll: :roll: :roll:

If Greece and the so called "RoC" were not forever trying to screw things up for Turkey to try and get hold of Cyprus and the entire drilling rights in the region then Turkey would have had to pull it's socks up, just like Greece did, to get into the EU......If the pressure was not put on Greece to improve it self then it would not have gotten near the the standard required...Even today it is lacking in some respects of Human rights and living in the 21st century but you guys are too full of shit to see that,.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh I see the RoC and Greece kept "turkey=fascist state" from evolving into a modern state..jeez why didn't I think of this... :arrow: :shock: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:

and the blame game begins... :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:


Now that the penny has dropped Boomers...You had better inform Greek HQ that all those obstacles that they are putting in front of Turkeys EU hopes are a waste of time......Silly fools......Have they got nothing better to waste their time on....Quick...there is no time to waste!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)


Greece is not standing in the way of Turkey's EU ambitions. It is Germany, Austria, Netherlands, France etc etc. Could it be that they are racist or know that the majority of Turks are "backward, uneducated idiots" as Shah put it? I would like an answer to this question.


Hmmmm... Zan, you have not answered my question.
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Postby zan » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:46 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:Zan your responce to "turkey=fascist state" being well below the standard as to what Kifeas was saying doesn't revolve around the Cyprus problem...And I am sure the body that published this report did not take this into account...

Your twisted logic blaming "turkey's=fascist state" woes on the Cyprus problem is ludicrous... :lol:


Blinkers on....Only one runner.....Your race is over Boomers.......Let the others who know they are donkeys have some fun... :roll: :roll: :roll:

If Greece and the so called "RoC" were not forever trying to screw things up for Turkey to try and get hold of Cyprus and the entire drilling rights in the region then Turkey would have had to pull it's socks up, just like Greece did, to get into the EU......If the pressure was not put on Greece to improve it self then it would not have gotten near the the standard required...Even today it is lacking in some respects of Human rights and living in the 21st century but you guys are too full of shit to see that,.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh I see the RoC and Greece kept "turkey=fascist state" from evolving into a modern state..jeez why didn't I think of this... :arrow: :shock: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:

and the blame game begins... :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:


Now that the penny has dropped Boomers...You had better inform Greek HQ that all those obstacles that they are putting in front of Turkeys EU hopes are a waste of time......Silly fools......Have they got nothing better to waste their time on....Quick...there is no time to waste!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)


Greece is not standing in the way of Turkey's EU ambitions. It is Germany, Austria, Netherlands, France etc etc. Could it be that they are racist or know that the majority of Turks are "backward, uneducated idiots" as Shah put it? I would like an answer to this question.


Hmmmm... Zan, you have not answered my question.


That you are a backward idiot...Yes! I concur..... 8) 8)

Now with Germany...One minute it's yes and the next no......The others.....Maybe trade with Greece has something top do with it but the again it might not :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: maybe they are asking for reforms first?? maybe it is because they have a problem with Turkeys greatest ally...The UK..........Have you an simple minded answer that you would like to share with us??? :shock: :wink: :lol:
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:55 pm

zan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:Zan your responce to "turkey=fascist state" being well below the standard as to what Kifeas was saying doesn't revolve around the Cyprus problem...And I am sure the body that published this report did not take this into account...

Your twisted logic blaming "turkey's=fascist state" woes on the Cyprus problem is ludicrous... :lol:


Blinkers on....Only one runner.....Your race is over Boomers.......Let the others who know they are donkeys have some fun... :roll: :roll: :roll:

If Greece and the so called "RoC" were not forever trying to screw things up for Turkey to try and get hold of Cyprus and the entire drilling rights in the region then Turkey would have had to pull it's socks up, just like Greece did, to get into the EU......If the pressure was not put on Greece to improve it self then it would not have gotten near the the standard required...Even today it is lacking in some respects of Human rights and living in the 21st century but you guys are too full of shit to see that,.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh I see the RoC and Greece kept "turkey=fascist state" from evolving into a modern state..jeez why didn't I think of this... :arrow: :shock: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:

and the blame game begins... :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:


Now that the penny has dropped Boomers...You had better inform Greek HQ that all those obstacles that they are putting in front of Turkeys EU hopes are a waste of time......Silly fools......Have they got nothing better to waste their time on....Quick...there is no time to waste!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)


Greece is not standing in the way of Turkey's EU ambitions. It is Germany, Austria, Netherlands, France etc etc. Could it be that they are racist or know that the majority of Turks are "backward, uneducated idiots" as Shah put it? I would like an answer to this question.


Hmmmm... Zan, you have not answered my question.


That you are a backward idiot...Yes! I concur..... 8) 8)

Now with Germany...One minute it's yes and the next no......The others.....Maybe trade with Greece has something top do with it but the again it might not :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: maybe they are asking for reforms first?? maybe it is because they have a problem with Turkeys greatest ally...The UK..........Have you an simple minded answer that you would like to share with us??? :shock: :wink: :lol:


I think you have pretty well covered the "simple minded answer".
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Postby zan » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:55 pm

Paphitis wrote:
zan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:
zan wrote:
boomerang wrote:Zan your responce to "turkey=fascist state" being well below the standard as to what Kifeas was saying doesn't revolve around the Cyprus problem...And I am sure the body that published this report did not take this into account...

Your twisted logic blaming "turkey's=fascist state" woes on the Cyprus problem is ludicrous... :lol:


Blinkers on....Only one runner.....Your race is over Boomers.......Let the others who know they are donkeys have some fun... :roll: :roll: :roll:

If Greece and the so called "RoC" were not forever trying to screw things up for Turkey to try and get hold of Cyprus and the entire drilling rights in the region then Turkey would have had to pull it's socks up, just like Greece did, to get into the EU......If the pressure was not put on Greece to improve it self then it would not have gotten near the the standard required...Even today it is lacking in some respects of Human rights and living in the 21st century but you guys are too full of shit to see that,.... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Oh I see the RoC and Greece kept "turkey=fascist state" from evolving into a modern state..jeez why didn't I think of this... :arrow: :shock: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:

and the blame game begins... :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :roll: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol: :arrow: :lol:


Now that the penny has dropped Boomers...You had better inform Greek HQ that all those obstacles that they are putting in front of Turkeys EU hopes are a waste of time......Silly fools......Have they got nothing better to waste their time on....Quick...there is no time to waste!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: 8)


Greece is not standing in the way of Turkey's EU ambitions. It is Germany, Austria, Netherlands, France etc etc. Could it be that they are racist or know that the majority of Turks are "backward, uneducated idiots" as Shah put it? I would like an answer to this question.


Hmmmm... Zan, you have not answered my question.


That you are a backward idiot...Yes! I concur..... 8) 8)

Now with Germany...One minute it's yes and the next no......The others.....Maybe trade with Greece has something top do with it but the again it might not :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: maybe they are asking for reforms first?? maybe it is because they have a problem with Turkeys greatest ally...The UK..........Have you an simple minded answer that you would like to share with us??? :shock: :wink: :lol:


I think you have pretty well covered the "simple minded answer".


You asked it and I felt it my duty....You are welcome!!! 8)
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