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[Eric dayi]

I was approached by a group of TC and Turks from Turkey a couple of weeks ago who asked me if I wanted to join their new Political party which they want to call "Turks of UK" (ToUK)" and if I would ask a few others I know to join them as well.

I asked them what their political agenda is and they told me they don't like the way the Brits have ran down the country and it was time for us Turks to take over and bring the country back to it's glory days.

I told them that they will never be allowed to call themselves anything that contains the word "Turkish" because that would seem like racism and suggested they change it to "Brits for UK" or something similar.

What do you think Bir, was I wrong in saying that they will never be allowed the word "Turkish" in any sort of political party/agenda/elections?

Somebody owes to explain to this fucked up dirty nationalist that:

a.) His grandmother’s above fairytale would have sounded better, if only the dragon would not have gone missing,
b.) That the Kurds are a people inhabiting the regions they currently do, for thousands of years now and way before the word “Turk” was invented, and they used to call themselves Kurds throughout their long history.
c.) That his analogy of a Turkish party in the UK is not a relevant one, but instead the relevant analogy would have been that of an Irish, Welsh or Scottish party, which are all perfectly normal to be seen in the UK, and
d.) That in Cyprus, a country on its own merit, there was /is absolutely no problem naming parties, clubs or associations by the names of “Greek” or “Turkish;” therefore why should there be a problem calling a party as Kurdish in Turkey.

Is it a case of: One rule for the “motherland,” another rule for the “daughter,” i.e. “mine is mine, and yours is mine too?”

Until the so-called "RoC" entered the EU the TCs living in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus was not even allowed to take part in any elections.

Is there a political party in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus that contains the word "Turkish Cypriot"?

What about the Turks in "democratic" Greece, are they allowed to form a political group or even a lobby group which contains the word "Turkish" in it's description? Are they even allowed to call themselves Turkish at all?

"democracy" Greek style, yeah right.

The TCs are allowed 30% of all seats within the RoCs parliament you wombat.

How many TCs are there in the so-called "RoC government" and who is the vice President?

The TCs are welcome to re-claim the vice PM position as well as their 30% representation in RoC after the withdrawal of Turkish occupation troops and the unification of the island. It is the TCs that isolated themselves from their political voice.

That's not what your comrades in arm or your "government" are saying though. What they want is "majority rules" and us TCs as a "minority community" and nothing else, don't you listen to them?

[miltiades]

This guy is a complete and utter idiot , ignoring him might be the best method .
Since when could Turkey and its constitution be compared to that of the United Kingdom !!!

[Get Real!]

Is there a political party in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus that contains the word "Turkish Cypriot"?

Why should there be? Do you see any political party anywhere in Cyprus that contains the words "Greek Cypriot"?

Can't read or understand Greek and don't know the names of your GC parties, it's all Greek to me and to be honest I don't give a damn what you name your political or non-political parties.

Kifeas said it would not be a problem to call a political party "Turkish........" in the so-called "RoC" so why should it be a problem in Turkey to use the word "Kurdish", haven't you read it? :rol::rol::rol::rol:

d.) That in Cyprus, a country on its own merit, there was /is absolutely no problem naming parties, clubs or associations by the names of “Greek” or “Turkish;” therefore why should there be a problem calling a party as Kurdish in Turkey.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

Kifeas is right but I don't agree with parties being called Turkish this or Greek that. Nothing but divisional junk!

For those who still don't get it Turkey is 40 miles north, and Greece is some 300 miles west... have a safe journey!

[Paphitis]

You go and post us a link which makes referance to England not allowing political parties with the word Turkish or whatever else in it's name.

You will not find such a link because England is a True Democracy, unlike Turkey which has a lot of growing up to do.

I don't know of any links but can you supply one that says it is allowed?

Is there a "English Labour Party" or any other party that has the word "English" in it's description?

In fact, is there a "Greek labour Party" or something like that anywhere in the world outside of Greece or the so-called "RoC"?

You are the one that stated that the word Turkish is not allowed in political parties. I merely stated that England is a real democracy and does not prohibit it in any manner. You should provide a link to prove your statement and not me.

Tell me something, is it called the "English Labour Party" or just "Labour Pary"?

Is it "Liberal Democrats" or "English Democrats"?

And why would the Greeks create a party of their own in the diaspora. That would be a waste of time as it would not achieve mainstream support. Greeks prefer to become members of established political parties and nominate their candidacy under that structure. I Australia we have a few Greek MPs that have been elected. We also have Greek representation in cabinet.

I asked you if there was a political party anywhere in the world that contained "Greek" in it and you come up with the crap above. Have another go. [/quote]

And I answered your question you neo fascist racist.

I anwered it with the following that was posted earlier:

And why would the Greeks create a party of their own in the diaspora. That would be a waste of time as it would not achieve mainstream support especially if it contained the word Greek in it's name.. Greeks prefer to become members of established political parties and nominate their candidacy under that structure. In Australia we have a few Greek MPs that have been elected. We also have Greek representation in cabinet.

I can also tell you that if the Greeks did want to create their own political party with the word Greek in it's name, there is nothing in the Australian constitution that would forbid them from doing so. The same can be said of the UK.

As Miltiades said, you are a nutter for comparing Turkey's very unstable and weak democracy to that of the UK, Australia or the 87 other countries worldwide which have greater democratic integrity than Turkey. And you even want to enter the EU. For that to happen you need to catch up with the rest of the world. And you Eric, need to enter the 21st century judging from your posts.

[BirKibrisli]

The question is...should a general be expressing political views Bir?...was he elected by the majority of the population in a free and transparent election?

Of course not,Boomers...The generals get away with anything in Turkey.
It goes back to the fact that modern Turkey was founded by the Army,led by Kemal Ataturk....Now Ataturk was a very smart man. He knew that the nation he so forcefully created could only be kept together by force of arms...So he entrusted the secular Turkish Republic to the Turkish Army...That was the beginning of the end of any real democracy in Turkey.This is what most people outside Turkey do not understand.
Western style democracy will never happen in Turkey. True majority rule would turn Turkey into an Islamic Republic which would be even further away from democracy than today...The choice in Turkey will always be between an islamic republic or de facto army rule...Barroso has no idea of the internal forces posed to tear Turkey apart.That is why he is scratching his head about the possibility that a party governing with 47% of the vote can be removed from power by an act of judiciary. I have a sister living in Ankara,and she and her family would happily put up with the limited democracy they have than risk being governed by Islamic fundamentalists...It is not an easy choice...But they are happy with it...

On the Kurdish question,i think the army is being simply paranoid...The number of Kurdish people wanting independence from Turkey is less than 5 per cent...(This is the percentage of the votes won by the pseudo-Kurdish party in the last elections)...And if they were wise enough to allow these people full cultural rights(to speak their language in public,to have Kurdish names,to be proud of their ethnic heritage etc) this number would be less still...

[Nikitas]

Basbug said:

nothing is allowed "which would endanger the nation-state structure as well as the unitary state structure"

Now if he were to state that this is a principle of universal application we maybe could sit down and have a few drinks with the gentleman. Obviously the Turks are serious about their country and do not countenance potentially fragmentary crap like BBF and the like and Basbug is reminding everyone of this mindset.

[Eric dayi]

Is there a political party in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus that contains the word "Turkish Cypriot"?

Why should there be? Do you see any political party anywhere in Cyprus that contains the words "Greek Cypriot"?

Can't read or understand Greek and don't know the names of your GC parties, it's all Greek to me and to be honest I don't give a damn what you name your political or non-political parties.

Kifeas said it would not be a problem to call a political party "Turkish........" in the so-called "RoC" so why should it be a problem in Turkey to use the word "Kurdish", haven't you read it? :rol::rol::rol::rol:

d.) That in Cyprus, a country on its own merit, there was /is absolutely no problem naming parties, clubs or associations by the names of “Greek” or “Turkish;” therefore why should there be a problem calling a party as Kurdish in Turkey.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0

Kifeas is right but I don't agree with parties being called Turkish this or Greek that. Nothing but divisional junk!

For those who still don't get it Turkey is 40 miles north, and Greece is some 300 miles west... have a safe journey!

Thanks GR, you have just proven Kifeas, Pipiface and the rest of the fools who laugh at Turkey wrong for not allowing division promoting politics.

Who would have thought it possible that the infamous Turk hating GR would one day prove my point right and of his comrades wrong.

[Eric dayi]

You go and post us a link which makes referance to England not allowing political parties with the word Turkish or whatever else in it's name.

You will not find such a link because England is a True Democracy, unlike Turkey which has a lot of growing up to do.

I don't know of any links but can you supply one that says it is allowed?

Is there a "English Labour Party" or any other party that has the word "English" in it's description?

In fact, is there a "Greek labour Party" or something like that anywhere in the world outside of Greece or the so-called "RoC"?

You are the one that stated that the word Turkish is not allowed in political parties. I merely stated that England is a real democracy and does not prohibit it in any manner. You should provide a link to prove your statement and not me.

Tell me something, is it called the "English Labour Party" or just "Labour Pary"?

Is it "Liberal Democrats" or "English Democrats"?

And why would the Greeks create a party of their own in the diaspora. That would be a waste of time as it would not achieve mainstream support. Greeks prefer to become members of established political parties and nominate their candidacy under that structure. I Australia we have a few Greek MPs that have been elected. We also have Greek representation in cabinet.

I asked you if there was a political party anywhere in the world that contained "Greek" in it and you come up with the crap above. Have another go.

And I answered your question you neo fascist racist.

I anwered it with the following that was posted earlier:

And why would the Greeks create a party of their own in the diaspora. That would be a waste of time as it would not achieve mainstream support especially if it contained the word Greek in it's name.. Greeks prefer to become members of established political parties and nominate their candidacy under that structure. In Australia we have a few Greek MPs that have been elected. We also have Greek representation in cabinet.

I can also tell you that if the Greeks did want to create their own political party with the word Greek in it's name, there is nothing in the Australian constitution that would forbid them from doing so. The same can be said of the UK.

As Miltiades said, you are a nutter for comparing Turkey's very unstable and weak democracy to that of the UK, Australia or the 87 other countries worldwide which have greater democratic integrity than Turkey. And you even want to enter the EU. For that to happen you need to catch up with the rest of the world. And you Eric, need to enter the 21st century judging from your posts.

Go away little man, go play with your lego cars.

But before you go to play read GRs post.

[Paphitis]

You go and post us a link which makes referance to England not allowing political parties with the word Turkish or whatever else in it's name.

You will not find such a link because England is a True Democracy, unlike Turkey which has a lot of growing up to do.

I don't know of any links but can you supply one that says it is allowed?

Is there a "English Labour Party" or any other party that has the word "English" in it's description?

In fact, is there a "Greek labour Party" or something like that anywhere in the world outside of Greece or the so-called "RoC"?

You are the one that stated that the word Turkish is not allowed in political parties. I merely stated that England is a real democracy and does not prohibit it in any manner. You should provide a link to prove your statement and not me.

Tell me something, is it called the "English Labour Party" or just "Labour Pary"?

Is it "Liberal Democrats" or "English Democrats"?

And why would the Greeks create a party of their own in the diaspora. That would be a waste of time as it would not achieve mainstream support. Greeks prefer to become members of established political parties and nominate their candidacy under that structure. I Australia we have a few Greek MPs that have been elected. We also have Greek representation in cabinet.

I asked you if there was a political party anywhere in the world that contained "Greek" in it and you come up with the crap above. Have another go.

And I answered your question you neo fascist racist.

I anwered it with the following that was posted earlier:

And why would the Greeks create a party of their own in the diaspora. That would be a waste of time as it would not achieve mainstream support especially if it contained the word Greek in it's name.. Greeks prefer to become members of established political parties and nominate their candidacy under that structure. In Australia we have a few Greek MPs that have been elected. We also have Greek representation in cabinet.

I can also tell you that if the Greeks did want to create their own political party with the word Greek in it's name, there is nothing in the Australian constitution that would forbid them from doing so. The same can be said of the UK.

As Miltiades said, you are a nutter for comparing Turkey's very unstable and weak democracy to that of the UK, Australia or the 87 other countries worldwide which have greater democratic integrity than Turkey. And you even want to enter the EU. For that to happen you need to catch up with the rest of the world. And you Eric, need to enter the 21st century judging from your posts.

Go away little man, go play with your lego cars.

But before you go to play read GRs post.

That sounds like a threat. Are you threatenning us with another invasion Eric?

If Deniz was here he would tell you to check your blood pressure.

[Paphitis]

You go and post us a link which makes referance to England not allowing political parties with the word Turkish or whatever else in it's name.

You will not find such a link because England is a True Democracy, unlike Turkey which has a lot of growing up to do.

I don't know of any links but can you supply one that says it is allowed?

Is there a "English Labour Party" or any other party that has the word "English" in it's description?

In fact, is there a "Greek labour Party" or something like that anywhere in the world outside of Greece or the so-called "RoC"?

You are the one that stated that the word Turkish is not allowed in political parties. I merely stated that England is a real democracy and does not prohibit it in any manner. You should provide a link to prove your statement and not me.

Tell me something, is it called the "English Labour Party" or just "Labour Pary"?

Is it "Liberal Democrats" or "English Democrats"?

And why would the Greeks create a party of their own in the diaspora. That would be a waste of time as it would not achieve mainstream support. Greeks prefer to become members of established political parties and nominate their candidacy under that structure. I Australia we have a few Greek MPs that have been elected. We also have Greek representation in cabinet.

I asked you if there was a political party anywhere in the world that contained "Greek" in it and you come up with the crap above. Have another go.

And I answered your question you neo fascist racist.

I anwered it with the following that was posted earlier:

And why would the Greeks create a party of their own in the diaspora. That would be a waste of time as it would not achieve mainstream support especially if it contained the word Greek in it's name.. Greeks prefer to become members of established political parties and nominate their candidacy under that structure. In Australia we have a few Greek MPs that have been elected. We also have Greek representation in cabinet.

I can also tell you that if the Greeks did want to create their own political party with the word Greek in it's name, there is nothing in the Australian constitution that would forbid them from doing so. The same can be said of the UK.

As Miltiades said, you are a nutter for comparing Turkey's very unstable and weak democracy to that of the UK, Australia or the 87 other countries worldwide which have greater democratic integrity than Turkey. And you even want to enter the EU. For that to happen you need to catch up with the rest of the world. And you Eric, need to enter the 21st century judging from your posts.

Go away little man, go play with your lego cars.

But before you go to play read GRs post.

Double post