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[Eric dayi]

Başbuğ rules out any ethnic rights in political field

Nobody should accept Turkey granting political rights to a certain ethnic group, a top Turkish commander said yesterday, a day after European Commission President José Manuel Barroso urged Ankara to ensure both cultural and political rights for the Kurdish people of Turkey.


Gen. İlker Başbuğ, commander of the Turkish Land Forces, yesterday wrapped up a visit to the northern part of the divided island of Cyprus by holding a press conference at the headquarters of the Turkish Cypriot Peace Forces Command (KTBK) in Lefkoşa.
The Turkish Republic is respectful of cultural differences and takes the necessary measures to maintain cultural diversity, provided that those measures are not harmful to the nation-state structure, Başbuğ stated. "Beyond that, nobody can demand or expect Turkey to make collective arrangements for a certain ethnic group in the political arena, outside of the cultural arena, which would endanger the nation-state structure as well as the unitary state structure," Başbuğ was quoted as saying by the Anatolia news agency.

Barroso, currently on an official visit to Turkey, had touched upon the same issue while addressing the Turkish Parliament on Thursday. "The problems of the Southeast [Anatolia] need to be addressed through a comprehensive strategy. It should combine efforts for the socio-economic development of the region, and ensure cultural and political rights for Turkish citizens of Kurdish origin. I know that the government is working on a plan in this direction, and I look forward to hearing the details of it as soon as possible," Barroso told deputies in Ankara.

Başbuğ also warned that carrying measures from the cultural field to the political field would pose the danger of "polarization and decomposition."

"This is possibly the greatest evil that can be done to Turkish society," he added, noting that it was his duty to give this warning as a commander responsible for the fight against the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which has waged a separatist fight against the Turkish military since 1984.

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The EU is definetely dealing with the wrong government in "turkey=fascist state"...

effendara form bayarak, your take on this is?

Hasn't come accross your desk yet you say?


Maybe take newbies advice and say it out loud...

I understand what Barrosa means by "cultural rights" but what does he have in mind when he talks about "political rights"??? As far as I know everyone who is a Turkish citizen has the right to vote and the right to stand for political office...As long as they don't use the word "Kurdish" in their electioneering...Could that be what he means? Or is he talking about separate autonomy for the Kurds???? The latter of course will only happen over Basbug's dead body...

I was approached by a group of TC and Turks from Turkey a couple of weeks ago who asked me if I wanted to join their new Political party which they want to call "Turks of UK" (ToUK)" and if I would ask a few others I know to join them as well.

I asked them what their political agenda is and they told me they don't like the way the Brits have ran down the country and it was time for us Turks to take over and bring the country back to it's glory days.

I told them that they will never be allowed to call themselves anything that contains the word "Turkish" because that would seem like racism and suggested they change it to "Brits for UK" or something similar.

What do you think Bir, was I wrong in saying that they will never be allowed the word "Turkish" in any sort of political party/agenda/elections?

No you are wrong. England is a true democracy, unlike Turkey. You are able to create any political party and call it whatever you like. Getting mainstream support however, is a differant matter all together.

In australia, we have political associations all over the country. These include Greek, Turkish, Kurdish, Palestinian just to name a few. They are active lobbies and have a political voice. Australia is a young country but a very mature democracy, unlike Turkey.

They are talking about a proper political party like Labour/Democtract/Communist party and run for elections you fool not a "lobbie" group.

If you do not understand what you read sit in the corner and STFU.

You go and post us a link which makes referance to England not allowing political parties with the word Turkish or whatever else in it's name.

You will not find such a link because England is a True Democracy, unlike Turkey which has a lot of growing up to do.

I don't know of any links but can you supply one that says it is allowed?

Is there a "English Labour Party" or any other party that has the word "English" in it's description?

In fact, is there a "Greek labour Party" or something like that anywhere in the world outside of Greece or the so-called "RoC"?

[Paphitis]

Başbuğ rules out any ethnic rights in political field

Nobody should accept Turkey granting political rights to a certain ethnic group, a top Turkish commander said yesterday, a day after European Commission President José Manuel Barroso urged Ankara to ensure both cultural and political rights for the Kurdish people of Turkey.


Gen. İlker Başbuğ, commander of the Turkish Land Forces, yesterday wrapped up a visit to the northern part of the divided island of Cyprus by holding a press conference at the headquarters of the Turkish Cypriot Peace Forces Command (KTBK) in Lefkoşa.
The Turkish Republic is respectful of cultural differences and takes the necessary measures to maintain cultural diversity, provided that those measures are not harmful to the nation-state structure, Başbuğ stated. "Beyond that, nobody can demand or expect Turkey to make collective arrangements for a certain ethnic group in the political arena, outside of the cultural arena, which would endanger the nation-state structure as well as the unitary state structure," Başbuğ was quoted as saying by the Anatolia news agency.

Barroso, currently on an official visit to Turkey, had touched upon the same issue while addressing the Turkish Parliament on Thursday. "The problems of the Southeast [Anatolia] need to be addressed through a comprehensive strategy. It should combine efforts for the socio-economic development of the region, and ensure cultural and political rights for Turkish citizens of Kurdish origin. I know that the government is working on a plan in this direction, and I look forward to hearing the details of it as soon as possible," Barroso told deputies in Ankara.

Başbuğ also warned that carrying measures from the cultural field to the political field would pose the danger of "polarization and decomposition."

"This is possibly the greatest evil that can be done to Turkish society," he added, noting that it was his duty to give this warning as a commander responsible for the fight against the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which has waged a separatist fight against the Turkish military since 1984.

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The EU is definetely dealing with the wrong government in "turkey=fascist state"...

effendara form bayarak, your take on this is?

Hasn't come accross your desk yet you say?


Maybe take newbies advice and say it out loud...

I understand what Barrosa means by "cultural rights" but what does he have in mind when he talks about "political rights"??? As far as I know everyone who is a Turkish citizen has the right to vote and the right to stand for political office...As long as they don't use the word "Kurdish" in their electioneering...Could that be what he means? Or is he talking about separate autonomy for the Kurds???? The latter of course will only happen over Basbug's dead body...

I was approached by a group of TC and Turks from Turkey a couple of weeks ago who asked me if I wanted to join their new Political party which they want to call "Turks of UK" (ToUK)" and if I would ask a few others I know to join them as well.

I asked them what their political agenda is and they told me they don't like the way the Brits have ran down the country and it was time for us Turks to take over and bring the country back to it's glory days.

I told them that they will never be allowed to call themselves anything that contains the word "Turkish" because that would seem like racism and suggested they change it to "Brits for UK" or something similar.

What do you think Bir, was I wrong in saying that they will never be allowed the word "Turkish" in any sort of political party/agenda/elections?

No you are wrong. England is a true democracy, unlike Turkey. You are able to create any political party and call it whatever you like. Getting mainstream support however, is a differant matter all together.

In australia, we have political associations all over the country. These include Greek, Turkish, Kurdish, Palestinian just to name a few. They are active lobbies and have a political voice. Australia is a young country but a very mature democracy, unlike Turkey.

They are talking about a proper political party like Labour/Democtract/Communist party and run for elections you fool not a "lobbie" group.

If you do not understand what you read sit in the corner and STFU.

You go and post us a link which makes referance to England not allowing political parties with the word Turkish or whatever else in it's name.

You will not find such a link because England is a True Democracy, unlike Turkey which has a lot of growing up to do.

I don't know of any links but can you supply one that says it is allowed?

Is there a "English Labour Party" or any other party that has the word "English" in it's description?

In fact, is there a "Greek labour Party" or something like that anywhere in the world outside of Greece or the so-called "RoC"?

You are the one that stated that the word Turkish is not allowed in political parties. I merely stated that England is a real democracy and does not prohibit it in any manner. You should provide a link to prove your statement and not me.

And why would the Greeks create a party of their own in the diaspora. That would be a waste of time as it would not achieve mainstream support. Greeks prefer to become members of established political parties and nominate their candidacy under that structure. I Australia we have a few Greek MPs that have been elected. We also have Greek representation in cabinet.

[Paphitis]

Can the Kurds create their own political party in Turkey?

[Eric dayi]

I was approached by a group of TC and Turks from Turkey a couple of weeks ago who asked me if I wanted to join their new Political party which they want to call "Turks of UK" (ToUK)" and if I would ask a few others I know to join them as well.

I asked them what their political agenda is and they told me they don't like the way the Brits have ran down the country and it was time for us Turks to take over and bring the country back to it's glory days.

I told them that they will never be allowed to call themselves anything that contains the word "Turkish" because that would seem like racism and suggested they change it to "Brits for UK" or something similar.

What do you think Bir, was I wrong in saying that they will never be allowed the word "Turkish" in any sort of political party/agenda/elections?

Somebody owes to explain to this fucked up dirty nationalist that:

a.) His grandmother’s above fairytale would have sounded better, if only the dragon would not have gone missing,
b.) That the Kurds are a people inhabiting the regions they currently do, for thousands of years now and way before the word “Turk” was invented, and they used to call themselves Kurds throughout their long history.
c.) That his analogy of a Turkish party in the UK is not a relevant one, but instead the relevant analogy would have been that of an Irish, Welsh or Scottish party, which are all perfectly normal to be seen in the UK, and
d.) That in Cyprus, a country on its own merit, there was /is absolutely no problem naming parties, clubs or associations by the names of “Greek” or “Turkish;” therefore why should there be a problem calling a party as Kurdish in Turkey.

Is it a case of: One rule for the “motherland,” another rule for the “daughter,” i.e. “mine is mine, and yours is mine too?”

Until the so-called "RoC" entered the EU the TCs living in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus was not even allowed to take part in any elections.

Is there a political party in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus that contains the word "Turkish Cypriot"?

What about the Turks in "democratic" Greece, are they allowed to form a political group or even a lobby group which contains the word "Turkish" in it's description? Are they even allowed to call themselves Turkish at all?

"democracy" Greek style, yeah right.

[Paphitis]

I was approached by a group of TC and Turks from Turkey a couple of weeks ago who asked me if I wanted to join their new Political party which they want to call "Turks of UK" (ToUK)" and if I would ask a few others I know to join them as well.

I asked them what their political agenda is and they told me they don't like the way the Brits have ran down the country and it was time for us Turks to take over and bring the country back to it's glory days.

I told them that they will never be allowed to call themselves anything that contains the word "Turkish" because that would seem like racism and suggested they change it to "Brits for UK" or something similar.

What do you think Bir, was I wrong in saying that they will never be allowed the word "Turkish" in any sort of political party/agenda/elections?

Somebody owes to explain to this fucked up dirty nationalist that:

a.) His grandmother’s above fairytale would have sounded better, if only the dragon would not have gone missing,
b.) That the Kurds are a people inhabiting the regions they currently do, for thousands of years now and way before the word “Turk” was invented, and they used to call themselves Kurds throughout their long history.
c.) That his analogy of a Turkish party in the UK is not a relevant one, but instead the relevant analogy would have been that of an Irish, Welsh or Scottish party, which are all perfectly normal to be seen in the UK, and
d.) That in Cyprus, a country on its own merit, there was /is absolutely no problem naming parties, clubs or associations by the names of “Greek” or “Turkish;” therefore why should there be a problem calling a party as Kurdish in Turkey.

Is it a case of: One rule for the “motherland,” another rule for the “daughter,” i.e. “mine is mine, and yours is mine too?”

Until the so-called "RoC" entered the EU the TCs living in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus was not even allowed to take part in any elections.

Is there a political party in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus that contains the word "Turkish Cypriot"?

What about the Turks in "democratic" Greece, are they allowed to form a political group or even a lobby group which contains the word "Turkish" in it's description? Are they even allowed to call themselves Turkish at all?

"democracy" Greek style, yeah right.

The TCs are allowed 30% of all seats within the RoCs parliament you wombat.

[Eric dayi]

You go and post us a link which makes referance to England not allowing political parties with the word Turkish or whatever else in it's name.

You will not find such a link because England is a True Democracy, unlike Turkey which has a lot of growing up to do.

I don't know of any links but can you supply one that says it is allowed?

Is there a "English Labour Party" or any other party that has the word "English" in it's description?

In fact, is there a "Greek labour Party" or something like that anywhere in the world outside of Greece or the so-called "RoC"?

You are the one that stated that the word Turkish is not allowed in political parties. I merely stated that England is a real democracy and does not prohibit it in any manner. You should provide a link to prove your statement and not me.[/quote]

Tell me something, is it called the "English Labour Party" or just "Labour Pary"?

Is it "Liberal Democrats" or "English Democrats"?

And why would the Greeks create a party of their own in the diaspora. That would be a waste of time as it would not achieve mainstream support. Greeks prefer to become members of established political parties and nominate their candidacy under that structure. I Australia we have a few Greek MPs that have been elected. We also have Greek representation in cabinet.

I asked you if there was a political party anywhere in the world that contained "Greek" in it and you come up with the crap above. Have another go.

[Get Real!]

Is there a political party in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus that contains the word "Turkish Cypriot"?

Why should there be? Do you see any political party anywhere in Cyprus that contains the words "Greek Cypriot"?

[Eric dayi]

I was approached by a group of TC and Turks from Turkey a couple of weeks ago who asked me if I wanted to join their new Political party which they want to call "Turks of UK" (ToUK)" and if I would ask a few others I know to join them as well.

I asked them what their political agenda is and they told me they don't like the way the Brits have ran down the country and it was time for us Turks to take over and bring the country back to it's glory days.

I told them that they will never be allowed to call themselves anything that contains the word "Turkish" because that would seem like racism and suggested they change it to "Brits for UK" or something similar.

What do you think Bir, was I wrong in saying that they will never be allowed the word "Turkish" in any sort of political party/agenda/elections?

Somebody owes to explain to this fucked up dirty nationalist that:

a.) His grandmother’s above fairytale would have sounded better, if only the dragon would not have gone missing,
b.) That the Kurds are a people inhabiting the regions they currently do, for thousands of years now and way before the word “Turk” was invented, and they used to call themselves Kurds throughout their long history.
c.) That his analogy of a Turkish party in the UK is not a relevant one, but instead the relevant analogy would have been that of an Irish, Welsh or Scottish party, which are all perfectly normal to be seen in the UK, and
d.) That in Cyprus, a country on its own merit, there was /is absolutely no problem naming parties, clubs or associations by the names of “Greek” or “Turkish;” therefore why should there be a problem calling a party as Kurdish in Turkey.

Is it a case of: One rule for the “motherland,” another rule for the “daughter,” i.e. “mine is mine, and yours is mine too?”

Until the so-called "RoC" entered the EU the TCs living in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus was not even allowed to take part in any elections.

Is there a political party in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus that contains the word "Turkish Cypriot"?

What about the Turks in "democratic" Greece, are they allowed to form a political group or even a lobby group which contains the word "Turkish" in it's description? Are they even allowed to call themselves Turkish at all?

"democracy" Greek style, yeah right.

The TCs are allowed 30% of all seats within the RoCs parliament you wombat.

How many TCs are there in the so-called "RoC government" and who is the vice President?

[Paphitis]

I was approached by a group of TC and Turks from Turkey a couple of weeks ago who asked me if I wanted to join their new Political party which they want to call "Turks of UK" (ToUK)" and if I would ask a few others I know to join them as well.

I asked them what their political agenda is and they told me they don't like the way the Brits have ran down the country and it was time for us Turks to take over and bring the country back to it's glory days.

I told them that they will never be allowed to call themselves anything that contains the word "Turkish" because that would seem like racism and suggested they change it to "Brits for UK" or something similar.

What do you think Bir, was I wrong in saying that they will never be allowed the word "Turkish" in any sort of political party/agenda/elections?

Somebody owes to explain to this fucked up dirty nationalist that:

a.) His grandmother’s above fairytale would have sounded better, if only the dragon would not have gone missing,
b.) That the Kurds are a people inhabiting the regions they currently do, for thousands of years now and way before the word “Turk” was invented, and they used to call themselves Kurds throughout their long history.
c.) That his analogy of a Turkish party in the UK is not a relevant one, but instead the relevant analogy would have been that of an Irish, Welsh or Scottish party, which are all perfectly normal to be seen in the UK, and
d.) That in Cyprus, a country on its own merit, there was /is absolutely no problem naming parties, clubs or associations by the names of “Greek” or “Turkish;” therefore why should there be a problem calling a party as Kurdish in Turkey.

Is it a case of: One rule for the “motherland,” another rule for the “daughter,” i.e. “mine is mine, and yours is mine too?”

Until the so-called "RoC" entered the EU the TCs living in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus was not even allowed to take part in any elections.

Is there a political party in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus that contains the word "Turkish Cypriot"?

What about the Turks in "democratic" Greece, are they allowed to form a political group or even a lobby group which contains the word "Turkish" in it's description? Are they even allowed to call themselves Turkish at all?

"democracy" Greek style, yeah right.

The TCs are allowed 30% of all seats within the RoCs parliament you wombat.

How many TCs are there in the so-called "RoC government" and who is the vice President?

The TCs are welcome to re-claim the vice PM position as well as their 30% representation in RoC after the withdrawal of Turkish occupation troops and the unification of the island. It is the TCs that isolated themselves from their political voice.

[Eric dayi]

Is there a political party in the Greek Cypriot South Cyprus that contains the word "Turkish Cypriot"?

Why should there be? Do you see any political party anywhere in Cyprus that contains the words "Greek Cypriot"?

Can't read or understand Greek and don't know the names of your GC parties, it's all Greek to me and to be honest I don't give a damn what you name your political or non-political parties.

Kifeas said it would not be a problem to call a political party "Turkish........" in the so-called "RoC" so why should it be a problem in Turkey to use the word "Kurdish", haven't you read it? :rol::rol::rol::rol:

d.) That in Cyprus, a country on its own merit, there was /is absolutely no problem naming parties, clubs or associations by the names of “Greek” or “Turkish;” therefore why should there be a problem calling a party as Kurdish in Turkey.

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