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Technically there are no Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus

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Postby purdey » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:52 am

Get real..get real, of course if I do not agree with you I am talking rubbish. Explain please..there is no answer to the question admit it.
Or am I in for another tirade of abuse..
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:56 am

Piratis wrote:The Greeks were among the first inhabitants of Cyprus.

That's right, they arrived SECOND only to find an established people... THE CYPRIOTS!!!
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Postby purdey » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:57 am

No answer no proof, it can be argued until the end of time.
Maybe they were from Turkey, hence Turkish Cypriots
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Postby Piratis » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:02 pm

Get Real! wrote:When the Greek merchants first arrived on the island of Cyprus they DID NOT find a vacant land mass or they would not have had anyone to trade with!!!

It is high time that people ACKNOWLEDGE the presence of a people on the island of Cyprus who go back to 8,000BC.

These are the people who have FIRST CONTACT with Cyprus and NOT the Greeks or the Turks.

The ignorance and raping of the Cypriot inheritance must cease!


Get Real, I didn't say Greeks were the very first. I said they were among the very first. When Greeks came to Cyprus the population of the whole island could not have been more than 5000 people and most of the island was uninhabited.

Secondly the Greek merchants traded via the sea. Their trade was done with various people, not just ones in Cyprus. In fact road routes from one city to another did not exist back then. Even until recently it was easier to go to Paphos from Limassol via the sea.
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Re: Technically there are no Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus

Postby denizaksulu » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:03 pm

boomerang wrote:Theoretically speaking they arean't any Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus...Considering "turkey=fascist state" became a fascist country in the early 1900...

What we have here are Ottomans...So they should be refered to as the Ottoman Cypriots...

To be called a Turkish Cypriot, you must come from "turkey=fascist state" after 1920 and settled in Cyprus...

If the Ottomans claim they have been in Cyprus for over 400 years then how could they be known as Turkish Cypriots?



Till the annexation of Cyprus all Cypriots were technically 'Ottoman'. Orthodox and Muslim Ottomans. You were all Ottomans, I will have to try and see what your point is. It will be interesting.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:03 pm

purdey wrote:No answer no proof, it can be argued until the end of time. Maybe they were from Turkey, hence Turkish Cypriots


We have already mentioned the most ancient...

Turkey (Hittite Empire) 1900-1300 BC
Greece (Minoan in Crete) 2700..1450 BC
Greece (Mainland Helladic) 2800..2100 BC.
Cyprus (Choirokoitia) 3,500 BC

So unless you've got something interesting (read factual) to post kindly return to Tescos...
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Postby unitedwestand » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:06 pm

Get Real! wrote:
unitedwestand wrote:What a bunch of idiots. Who gives a shit about the past. The fact is we are here, call us Ottomans or Turks, we consider ourselves Cypriots. All that you are doing is cementing partition with such ridiculous debates.

You hate us and want a Cyprus without us. That will never happen as we have every right to be here. Deal with it. Bloody losers :roll: :roll:

An insecure response from a man awakening to the realities of the Cypriot identity... :lol:


This is pointless. I am not having an identity crisis. I am Cypriot. It is you who is questioning my identity.
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:08 pm

Piratis wrote:
Get Real! wrote:When the Greek merchants first arrived on the island of Cyprus they DID NOT find a vacant land mass or they would not have had anyone to trade with!!!

It is high time that people ACKNOWLEDGE the presence of a people on the island of Cyprus who go back to 8,000BC.

These are the people who have FIRST CONTACT with Cyprus and NOT the Greeks or the Turks.

The ignorance and raping of the Cypriot inheritance must cease!


Get Real, I didn't say Greeks were the very first. I said they were among the very first. When Greeks came to Cyprus the population of the whole island could not have been more than 5000 people and most of the island was uninhabited.

Secondly the Greek merchants traded via the sea. Their trade was done with various people, not just ones in Cyprus. In fact road routes from one city to another did not exist back then. Even until recently it was easier to go to Paphos from Limassol via the sea.



Piratis, the first 'census collector'. You dont say, I thought they used the Tardis for trade. How observant.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:09 pm

unitedwestand wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
unitedwestand wrote:What a bunch of idiots. Who gives a shit about the past. The fact is we are here, call us Ottomans or Turks, we consider ourselves Cypriots. All that you are doing is cementing partition with such ridiculous debates.

You hate us and want a Cyprus without us. That will never happen as we have every right to be here. Deal with it. Bloody losers :roll: :roll:

An insecure response from a man awakening to the realities of the Cypriot identity... :lol:


This is pointless. I am not having an identity crisis. I am Cypriot. It is you who is questioning my identity.

I am simply CLEARING and HIGHLIGHTING that which is true about Cyprus and every Cypriot, regardless of ethnic background, must acknowledge her history.
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Postby observer » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:11 pm

Piratis
The Greeks were among the first inhabitants of Cyprus. Similar to the Greeks were the Phoenicians. They created their own new cities on uninhabited land and Cyprus was their home. They didn't come to Cyprus to exploit its people and transfer the profits abroad. The Greeks didn't come to Cyprus as "rulers".


I think that this is a bit of Greek mythology.

How likely is it that Greeks from hundreds of miles away would find an uninhabited island that you can see from the Turkish mainland?

Early archeological evidence shows signs of human inhabitation dating back to 4,000 BC with some (disputed) evidence of contact with Egypt and Syria. Much more likely than Greek colonisation considering the advanced state of Egypt at that time and the proximity of the Syrian coast. The probable attraction of both was trade in copper.

Between 2000 -1000 B.C. the Phoenicians arrived. They established trading posts mostly on the eastern end of the island. Written finds that survive, from the Phoenicians, date back to about 1000 B.C.

Around the same time the Phoenicians began setting their trading posts, Greek colonists began arriving (2000 -1000 B.C.). These were primarily Archardian Greek and they established colonies in the coastal regions of the island. Pausanias, the ancient traveller, reported the founding of Pafos. He states that Agapenor the Arkas' ships, returning home after the Trojan War (usually dated to around 1200-1100 BC), ended up in Cyprus because of storms. At the place where he landed he founded the city of Pafos and built a temple to the goddess Aphodite.
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