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[shahmaran]

Actually it wasn't my source, it was someone here who mentioned it, probably "boomers=ultimate idiot", i wouldn't take anything coming from him very seriously Nikitas.

[Get Real!]

I am just as guilty for replying to these 2 fucks but i just have to find out if you really do have a point you want to make or are you just bored and lonely?

As if you don't like the challenge...

Btw, I was like 5km away from your home town today but a "little" problem called the 'green line' kept me from paying you a visit...

[shahmaran]

Wow, where is that GR?

I have no clue what lies beneath the green line near my village, i guess its just a "Google Earth" away to find out, but i never bothered.

So you coming back anytime soon? Shall i be scared?

[Get Real!]

Wow, where is that GR?

I have no clue what lies beneath the green line near my village, i guess its just a "Google Earth" away to find out, but i never bothered.

So you coming back anytime soon? Shall i be scared?

Check the map I posted... Lefka is just above the dam/lake I mentioned...

No, don't be scared! I'll just pinch a couple of crates of your fine oranges and go...

[shahmaran]

Where did you post it?

We do have a dam in Lefka, its 5 minute drive from me, is that the one you mean?

[Get Real!]

Where did you post it?

We do have a dam in Lefka, its 5 minute drive from me, is that the one you mean?

Get out of the CyProb for 5 minutes...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17055

[shahmaran]

Where did you post it?

We do have a dam in Lefka, its 5 minute drive from me, is that the one you mean?

Get out of the CyProb for 5 minutes...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17055

Never!

[CopperLine]

Get Real wrote :

This is actually correct but the real reason is the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne when all Turkish Cypriots remaining on Cyprus signed away their Turkish nationality.

Those who loved and were loyal to Turkey were honorable enough to say "No thank you, we're leaving" and left.

This is clearly wrong. No Cypriots of any kind had any representation or representative powers at Lausanne. They therefore could not have signed or agreed to anything. Neither Turkish Cypriots nor Greek Cypriots nor any other kind of Cypriot 'signed away' anything. Indeed as I recollect there is no mention in the treaty text to Cyprus at all, but this can be checked and verified : unlike the ordinary people of Cyprus, Anatolia, the Balkans and Greece who had NO means of holding leaders and negotiators in check.

[Get Real!]

Get Real wrote :

This is actually correct but the real reason is the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne when all Turkish Cypriots remaining on Cyprus signed away their Turkish nationality.

Those who loved and were loyal to Turkey were honorable enough to say "No thank you, we're leaving" and left.

This is clearly wrong. No Cypriots of any kind had any representation or representative powers at Lausanne. They therefore could not have signed or agreed to anything. Neither Turkish Cypriots nor Greek Cypriots nor any other kind of Cypriot 'signed away' anything. Indeed as I recollect there is no mention in the treaty text to Cyprus at all, but this can be checked and verified : unlike the ordinary people of Cyprus, Anatolia, the Balkans and Greece who had NO means of holding leaders and negotiators in check.

Take it up with those who put the treaty together...

(Articles 20 & 21)

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/treaty_of_lausanne.htm

Sorry, but I'm in a Mouflon mood right now...

[CopperLine]

Observer wrote :

This thread started with a "technical" argument that TC's could not be Turkish because prior to 1923 they were not "technically" Turkish as the Turkish state did not exist - actually untrue, the Turkish Republic was founded in 1922 so for a brief period before becoming British they were, argueably, Turkish citizens.

"Arguably" possibly. But not actually. Since Cyprus was already under British administration, and had been so since 1878. So the Ottoman had had no effective oversight of Cyprus for c. 40+ years. Prior to 1878 Cypriots were Ottoman subjects, not citizens. But more importantly the legal notion of citizenship - including the use of passports - was in its infancy even in the 1920s. So even under British administration prior to formal incorporation as a Crown colony, Cypriots were neither Ottoman subjects nor British subjects. After formal incorporation Cypriots were still not British citizens, but British colonial subjects.

A subject is not a citizen.