by denizaksulu » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:31 pm
Get Real! wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,
A pilgrimage to the ancient Sotira and Choirokitia to honor our ancestors is in order!
Who’s up for it?
by Piratis » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:33 pm
observer wrote:PiratisThe Greeks were among the first inhabitants of Cyprus. Similar to the Greeks were the Phoenicians. They created their own new cities on uninhabited land and Cyprus was their home. They didn't come to Cyprus to exploit its people and transfer the profits abroad. The Greeks didn't come to Cyprus as "rulers".
I think that this is a bit of Greek mythology.
How likely is it that Greeks from hundreds of miles away would find an uninhabited island that you can see from the Turkish mainland?
Early archeological evidence shows signs of human inhabitation dating back to 4,000 BC with some (disputed) evidence of contact with Egypt and Syria. Much more likely than Greek colonisation considering the advanced state of Egypt at that time and the proximity of the Syrian coast. The probable attraction of both was trade in copper.
Between 2000 -1000 B.C. the Phoenicians arrived. They established trading posts mostly on the eastern end of the island. Written finds that survive, from the Phoenicians, date back to about 1000 B.C.
Around the same time the Phoenicians began setting their trading posts, Greek colonists began arriving (2000 -1000 B.C.). These were primarily Archardian Greek and they established colonies in the coastal regions of the island. Pausanias, the ancient traveller, reported the founding of Pafos. He states that Agapenor the Arkas' ships, returning home after the Trojan War (usually dated to around 1200-1100 BC), ended up in Cyprus because of storms. At the place where he landed he founded the city of Pafos and built a temple to the goddess Aphodite.
by Oracle » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:34 pm
Piratis wrote:purdey, there is a lot more proof about the origin of Cypriots than the origin of the English and most others, since the time that we had a civilization and we could write to record our history, people of Britannia where still living in caves eating roots. So please don't try to teach us our history. Better investigate yours which is a lot less clear than our.
If you want to learn about the history of Cyprus then open a few books instead of making totally uneducated speculations.
Pytheas the Greek Discovered Britain
Pytheas (ca. 380 BC-ca. 300 BC), a Greek explorer from the city of Massalia in southern France, traveled all the way around Britain.
Pytheas sailed from Brittany to Land's End in Cornwall, the southwestern tip of Britain. From Cornwall, Pytheas sailed north through the Irish Sea between Britain and Ireland all the way to the northern tip of Scotland, probably going as far as the Orkney Islands. Pytheas finally turned south and completed his circumnavigation of Britain.
Along the way, he stopped and traveled for short distances inland and described the customs of the inhabitants. The inhabitants lived on wild berries and "millet" and made mead.
He was certainly the first to circumnavigate Britain, and first to write on British ethnography. Pytheas also correctly described Britain as triangular, accurately estimated its circumference at 4,000 miles (6,400 km) within 2.5% of modern estimates.
He recorded the local name of the islands in Greek as Prettanike, which Diodorus later rendered Pretannia. This supports theories that the coastal inhabitants of Cornwall may have called themselves Pretani or Priteni, 'Painted' or 'Tattooed' people, a term Romans Latinised as Picti (Picts). He is quoted as referring to the British Isles as the "Isles of the Pretani."
by Get Real! » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:36 pm
denizaksulu wrote:Get Real! wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,
A pilgrimage to the ancient Sotira and Choirokitia to honor our ancestors is in order!
Who’s up for it?
I will be there in spirit GR. At least these ancestors are not Hellenic.- Not that I have anything against Hellenism - why, Turkey is built upon Hellenism.
by halil » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:37 pm
by denizaksulu » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:40 pm
Piratis wrote:observer wrote:PiratisThe Greeks were among the first inhabitants of Cyprus. Similar to the Greeks were the Phoenicians. They created their own new cities on uninhabited land and Cyprus was their home. They didn't come to Cyprus to exploit its people and transfer the profits abroad. The Greeks didn't come to Cyprus as "rulers".
I think that this is a bit of Greek mythology.
How likely is it that Greeks from hundreds of miles away would find an uninhabited island that you can see from the Turkish mainland?
Early archeological evidence shows signs of human inhabitation dating back to 4,000 BC with some (disputed) evidence of contact with Egypt and Syria. Much more likely than Greek colonisation considering the advanced state of Egypt at that time and the proximity of the Syrian coast. The probable attraction of both was trade in copper.
Between 2000 -1000 B.C. the Phoenicians arrived. They established trading posts mostly on the eastern end of the island. Written finds that survive, from the Phoenicians, date back to about 1000 B.C.
Around the same time the Phoenicians began setting their trading posts, Greek colonists began arriving (2000 -1000 B.C.). These were primarily Archardian Greek and they established colonies in the coastal regions of the island. Pausanias, the ancient traveller, reported the founding of Pafos. He states that Agapenor the Arkas' ships, returning home after the Trojan War (usually dated to around 1200-1100 BC), ended up in Cyprus because of storms. At the place where he landed he founded the city of Pafos and built a temple to the goddess Aphodite.
And were exactly you disagree? I didn't say that the Greeks were the very first to set their foot in Cyprus. I said there were among the very first that came and inhabited Cyprus which was mostly uninhabited back then.
The Greeks found Cyprus in the same way they found all the other Greek islands, Asia Minor, Sicily, France etc. The Egyptians had an earlier civilization, but their interest in the sea was much more limited.
by purdey » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:41 pm
by shahmaran » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:42 pm
Oracle wrote:Piratis wrote:purdey, there is a lot more proof about the origin of Cypriots than the origin of the English and most others, since the time that we had a civilization and we could write to record our history, people of Britannia where still living in caves eating roots. So please don't try to teach us our history. Better investigate yours which is a lot less clear than our.
If you want to learn about the history of Cyprus then open a few books instead of making totally uneducated speculations.
Maybe purdey could start with this:Pytheas the Greek Discovered Britain
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Pytheas (ca. 380 BC-ca. 300 BC), a Greek explorer from the city of Massalia in southern France, traveled all the way around Britain.
Pytheas sailed from Brittany to Land's End in Cornwall, the southwestern tip of Britain. From Cornwall, Pytheas sailed north through the Irish Sea between Britain and Ireland all the way to the northern tip of Scotland, probably going as far as the Orkney Islands. Pytheas finally turned south and completed his circumnavigation of Britain.
Along the way, he stopped and traveled for short distances inland and described the customs of the inhabitants. The inhabitants lived on wild berries and "millet" and made mead.
He was certainly the first to circumnavigate Britain, and first to write on British ethnography. Pytheas also correctly described Britain as triangular, accurately estimated its circumference at 4,000 miles (6,400 km) within 2.5% of modern estimates.
He recorded the local name of the islands in Greek as Prettanike, which Diodorus later rendered Pretannia. This supports theories that the coastal inhabitants of Cornwall may have called themselves Pretani or Priteni, 'Painted' or 'Tattooed' people, a term Romans Latinised as Picti (Picts). He is quoted as referring to the British Isles as the "Isles of the Pretani."
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