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[cannedmoose]

“It is a symbolic gesture on my behalf, in order to underline that Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots lost their lives in the struggle for freedom and democracy, and against oppression and fascism. It was a time when both communities could fight for these ideals, without any intervention of nationalism and chauvinism, that foreigners spread later among our people,” said Papadopoulos.

Comment by TPap at Prague's War Cemetery where GC and TCs are buried together.

[brother]

Pretty words yet they do ring the truth but if only we knew he was sincere in his convictions.

[insan]

“It is a symbolic gesture on my behalf, in order to underline that Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots lost their lives in the struggle for freedom and democracy, and against oppression and fascism. It was a time when both communities could fight for these ideals, without any intervention of nationalism and chauvinism, that foreigners spread later among our people,” said Papadopoulos.

Comment by TPap at Prague's War Cemetery where GC and TCs are buried together.

Palavros! Which foreigners spread nationalism and cheuvenism? First Hellenes than Turks? Who were the local pawns that welcomed nationalism and cheuvenism? Ruling elites of Cypriots? What was the role of church spreading nationalism, cheuvenism and irredentism? He puts all the balme on foreigners. The ones who spread nationalism and cheuvenism among Cypriots were the right wing ruling elites of two communities. Not only in Cyprus but all around the world. Has Tassos always been among the right wing ruling elite since mid 50s? Definitely! So what is he talking about. He thinks we are so naive not able to understand what's going on. He is still among the most divisive political figures of right wing ruling elite.

[cannedmoose]

Palavros!

Amen! Once again TPap fails to recognise any culpability by the Cypriot elite in the creation of chauvinist nationalism... 'it's all the foreigners fault'... such an easy cop out and one highly unbecoming of a modern European leader...

[Main_Source]

weren't the British foreigners? werent they the ones who implemented there divide and conquer techniques in Cyprus?

[cannedmoose]

weren't the British foreigners? werent they the ones who implemented there divide and conquer techniques in Cyprus?

Divide and conquer was really only pursued actively as a policy due to the action of GC militants against them... it wasn't the right policy with the benefit of hindsight, but it can't be changed.

To continue to blame foreigners for all your problems (which seems to be the case with the Cyprus problem, crime, illegal immigration etc. etc.) is indicative of a government unable to fully control the situation and looking for an easy scapegoat... remind you of anyone?

[Piratis]

Cannedmoose, do you really believe that the involvement of foreigners in Cyprus is over? Why do the british still have bases here then? Why they included their bases in their Annan plan?

The British and the Americans want today what they always wanted: The control of the region. The strategic position of Cyprus is very important for them to achieve their middle east polices.

What they want is to keep Cyprus divided in some way so they keep the upper hand. If Cyprus comes under the total control of Cypriots or Turks or Greeks, then their interests could be harmed. (take the example of Turkey when it didn't allow the Americans to invade Iraq from north.)

Their policy in Cyprus is to maintain a stable but fragile and conflicting situation between GCs and TCs. This is what serves their interests, and believe me, they care exclusively about their own interests.

[insan]

weren't the British foreigners? werent they the ones who implemented there divide and conquer techniques in Cyprus?

You can't divide something that was already divided. The divisive actions of Enosists had already divided two communities. TCs had always protested the divisive actions of Enosists from 1920s and onwards. Enosis was a product of Greek irredentism. It has nothing to do with Brits. If Cyprus was under French, Arab or any other countrie's rule; exactly the same events would have happened because the roots of the problem arouse from Greek irredentism; Magali Idea.

TCs would have always opposed to Enosis. The strong desire of GC community for Enosis had left only one option for TC community to choose and that was Taksim.

I've heard that a recent poll had showed that %70 of GC community support the Cyprus policies of Tassos. It is a well known fact that none of the TCs trust Tassos and approve his policies. Even the most fiery defenders of reunification; Akinci, Levent, Izcan, Durduran etc.

Let's say the percentage of TCs who don't trust and approve the Cyprus policies of Turkish leadership is %10, the TCs who don't trust the Cyprus policies of Hellenic leadership is %100.

This means that as long as Tassos keeps his known negative stance no solution is possible because none of the TCs approve the Tassos policies that are product of his corrupt mentality.

Will Tassos and %70 of GC community who approve his policies ever change their mentality? I'm %99.9 sure of that the answer is no. It is clear that majority of TCs will not accept nullification of treaty of guarantee/alliance, majority rule, unrestricted bi-zonality and any plan that will cause relocation of majority of TCs.

So what will happen if the concerned parties cannot reach a mutually agreed solution in one or 2 years time?

It is obvious. Partition of course.

[Viewpoint]

and the GCs are playing right into their hands by not returning to the negotiating table, the status quo remains and time lapses cementing partition forever.

[Piratis]

So what will happen if the concerned parties cannot reach a mutually agreed solution in one or 2 years time?

It is obvious. Partition of course.

Insan, de facto partition is what we have for 30 years. Don't expect anything more than that. You have the power to force a de facto partition, but not enough to legalize your illegal actions.