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[insan]

So what will happen if the concerned parties cannot reach a mutually agreed solution in one or 2 years time?

It is obvious. Partition of course.

Insan, de facto partition is what we have for 30 years. Don't expect anything more than that. You have the power to force a de facto partition, but not enough to legalize your illegal actions.

Two defacto entities are what we have for 40 years. You have managed to legalize the so-called RoC in this defacto situation. Now it's time to legalize the defacto TRNC.

[Piratis]

Apart from you, nobody at any point considered RoC as illegal because it is not.

[insan]

Apart from you, nobody at any point considered RoC as illegal because it is not.

The so-called RoC is a gift of capitalist world to you for the success of GC right wing "struggling" against communism. However a child like you is not aware of the truths. The Hellenic right wing stole the RoC with arts and wiles of politics and help of the capitalist world. Now things are changed. It's time to legalize the other part of the defacto entity. In today's world, Turkish side has a much stronger position than Hellenic side. Now it's time for Turkey to use arts and wiles of politics and legalize the other part. This is how the world turns around. Leave the dreams of impossible and back to the reality.

[Main_Source]

such actions as employing strictly turkish cypriots to police the island and hunt out the original EOKA freedom fighters were always going to make a bigger division between the two communities. Ask people from other British colonies...they always used these kind of tactics. Look at how Pakistan came about and look at the british involvement in this. Do you not see a pattern? Or how about the British involvement in setting up the Isreali state.

I cant believe some of the people here think the British were innocent. You only have to ask other peoples of the British colonies for what they think the Empire did to their country.

[erolz]

such actions as employing strictly turkish cypriots to police the island and hunt out the original EOKA freedom fighters were always going to make a bigger division between the two communities. Ask people from other British colonies...they always used these kind of tactics. Look at how Pakistan came about and look at the british involvement in this. Do you not see a pattern? Or how about the British involvement in setting up the Isreali state.

And you think they British did this at that time to set up the basis for 'divide and rule'? Maybe the reason they did this was more about the fact that they were pretty keen to stop GC terrorist shooting inncoent British civialns in the back, and employing GC EOKA members or supporters as police was perhaps not the best way of trying to seek out EOKA terrorists?

I cant believe some of the people here think the British were innocent. You only have to ask other peoples of the British colonies for what they think the Empire did to their country.

Nobody is saying Britain was 'innocent' with regard to Cyprus. It has a cuplability in what happened here and the state the Island is in today. However that primary responsibility and blame for what happened in Cyprus and the state it is in today lays with Cypriots - not the British - and it is this that people are saying. It was Cypriots who sought divisive and 'racist' objectives with little or no regard for other Cypriots wishes. It was Cypriots who decided to use systematic violence to achieve political aims. It was Cypriots who killed Cypriots in the name of their motherlands and exclusive desires for Cyprus. It is Cypriots that have failed since 1960 to today to find peaceful ways of resolving their differences and living togeahter in harmony in Cyprus. Yes others have contributed to the problems, unwittingly and with intent. Yes at times other have sought to exploit divisions in Cyprus for their own objectives but the primary responsibility for the state of Cyprus today and the horrors it experienced in the past lays with Cypriots and no one else.

[insan]

such actions as employing strictly turkish cypriots to police the island and hunt out the original EOKA freedom fighters were always going to make a bigger division between the two communities.

As long as I know majority of both communities were against the terrorist actions of EOKA. Or weren't they? At least TCs were against terrorist actions of Enosists because EOKA was using terrorist tactics in order to end the British rule and annexing Cyprus to Greece. Was there just a single TC how approved actions of Enosists? No. The petition for Enosis that was signed %97 of GCs had already divided two communities. Guess how TC community felt itself when they heard that %97 of GC community signed the Enosis petition.

What should TC have done? Should have they given support to Enosis and Enosists. Of course they would have fought against Enosists. TCs were numerically less and not trained to fight against heavily armed EOKA guerillas. Therefore they joined the Brit forces. Was there any GCs who wanted to fight against EOKA as a Brit police and Brits didn't allow him join police forces. Of course no. At that time most of the right wingers were supporting EOKA's terrorist actions. Only the GC left was against EOKA's terrorist actions but they couldn't dare to fight against EOKA by joining the Brit forces. The left wing GCs who struggled to stop the terrorist actions of EOKA, all persecuted and executed by EOKA terrorists.

I cant believe some of the people here think the British were innocent. You only have to ask other peoples of the British colonies for what they think the Empire did to their country.

What would have changed if Cyprus was under French, Italian or Arab or Russian rule? Nothing. Cyprus problem has nothing to do with its ruler. It's all about Greek irredentism and Turkish resistance against it.

[michalis5354]

It's time to legalize the other part of the defacto entity

Its been 30 years now that you had this in mind! Why do you blame everything and everyone when Denkatsh was there for 30 years -distroying any hope for re unification.

[insan]

It's time to legalize the other part of the defacto entity

Its been 30 years now that you had this in mind! Why do you blame everything and everyone when Denkatsh was there for 30 years -distroying any hope for re unification.

Neither in the last 30 years nor backwards; the GC leadership has accepted the political equality of TC community. Even they have never genuinely accepted a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation.

Denktash was destroying any hope for reunification? I many times stated the faults of Denktash and Turkey now its your turn to admit the faults of GC leadership and Greece?

Now tell me please...

What did Kyprianou do from 1977 until late 80s? What did Clerides do throughout the 90s? In whose term of office nationalism and cheuvenism spred in GC community? In whose term of office the Greek president and pm visited Cyprus and declared "Cyprus is Greece"? Who did attampt to deploy s-300 missles in south? Who did issue a GC passport for Ocalan. Who did allow PKK training camps in Greece? Who did base the solution of Cyprus problem on "European solution" back in 1988? Why did Kyprianou reject the UN draft back in 1987? Why did Clerides reject the "set of ideas"? Which GC leaders has worked on "European Solution" from 1987 until now?


Yeah, skip all of your faults and put all the blame on Denktash and Turkey. You are angels who always wanted the reunification of Cyprus. It's you who has always wanted a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation based on political equality of two communities. You were so willingly to improve your alliance with TCs and Turkey by doing everything in order to elliminate treaty of guarantee and treaty of alliance.


As long as the Hellenic ruling elite insist on making TC community a minority in a GC state the Cyprus problem won't be solved. In the past 50 years Hellenic ruling elite exerted effort to make TCs a minority in a GC state. Put aside Denktash, there will never be a TC leader or Turkish government who will approve amking TC community a minority in a GC state.

[cannedmoose]

I cant believe some of the people here think the British were innocent. You only have to ask other peoples of the British colonies for what they think the Empire did to their country.

I have, and in some cases they wish they'd never left because their countries became prey to dictators, corruption, infrastructural decay and inter-communal fighting. I also know quite a few older Cypriots who look back on the British days with a degree of fondness (yes, they do exist!)

Source, colonialism wasn't the best era, that's for sure, but if you compare British rule of its colonies to the asset-stripping activities that characterised the Belgian, Portuguese, and to some degree the French empires, you'll see that the British system of empire was in comparison reasonably benign. You should also remember that it is largely due to the British empire that the widespread practice of slavery was ended (which had been present in Africa for centuries before the Europeans arrived and made it an international trade), with the abolition of slavery act in 1832 (I think). This made slavery illegal throughout the empire and pre-dated the famous American emancipation proclamation by three decades. So not everything that happened during the empire was evil.

The cases of Pakistan and Israel that you cite were not products of British divide-and-rule, they were cases of states with artificial borders, probably the worst legacy we have from the race for colonies. If you cite the case of Pakistan, you have to account for the later division of Pakistan in the early 1970s, when Bangladesh split from the country.

Also, there are calls from a number of smaller African countries, most prominently Sierra Leone, for what would effectively be neo-colonialism. These people are desperate to re-establish order in their countries and hanker back to the colonial period as the only time when this existed.

No-one wants to go back to this, but to decry the days of empire as wholly decrepid is wrong. Cyprus did see a marked change from its domination by the Ottomans and it's British rule that offered Cypriots the freedoms to develop their national identities. With hindsight, maybe it would have been better if they hadn't.

[magikthrill]

The so-called RoC is a gift of capitalist world to you for the success of GC right wing "struggling" against communism. However a child like you is not aware of the truths. The Hellenic right wing stole the RoC with arts and wiles of politics and help of the capitalist world. Now things are changed. It's time to legalize the other part of the defacto entity. In today's world, Turkish side has a much stronger position than Hellenic side. Now it's time for Turkey to use arts and wiles of politics and legalize the other part. This is how the world turns around. Leave the dreams of impossible and back to the reality.

oh really? as opposed to the communist TCs or Turkey? what else will you come up with insan?