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[BirKibrisli]

COMING less than two weeks after a three-day visit to the north of the island by the Turkish military Chief of Staff Yasar Buyukanit, the arrival in Cyprus yesterday of the Commander of the Turkish Army Ilker Basbug has raised questions about the Turkish military’s view of a recent thaw in relations between the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities.

The answer is blindingly simple...The Generals want to remind Talat and the world who is calling the shots in any possible solution...The message is,"don't raise your hopes too high,don't think you are going to come to an agreement the Turkish Army would not approve beforehand!"...


http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=38614

[halil]

Turkish Cypriots slammed Greek Cypriots Tuesday for accusing the Turkish army of hindering peace initiatives on the divided island, warning that such charges could endanger reunification talks.
NICOSIA - Agence France-Presse

"Turkey – with its government, army and other institutions – has backed the settlement process and repeatedly proven that it does not consider it to be against its interests," Hasan Erçakıca, spokesman of Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat, told reporters.

Erçakıca described Greek Cypriot allegations of discord between the Turkish Cypriots and Ankara as "dangerous" and urged Greek Cypriots to abandon such rhetoric.

"If the Greek Cypriot side maintains efforts to create wrong impressions by distorting the realities ... This could become an impeding factor in the process of finding a solution to the Cyprus problem," he said.


Commander says new Cyprus deal must acknowledge KKTC (TRNC)

Any new reunification deal in Cyprus must acknowledge the presence of the Turkish Cypriot state on the island, a top Turkish commander visiting the island said yesterday.

Commander says new Cyprus deal must acknowledge KKTC
Any new reunification deal in Cyprus must acknowledge the presence of the Turkish Cypriot state on the island, a top Turkish commander visiting the island said yesterday.

"The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus [KKTC] is a reality. If you really want a comprehensive, lasting and just solution, you have to acknowledge this fact," Land Forces Commander Gen. İlker Başbuğ said during a meeting with Rauf Denktaş, the former president of the KKTC who opposed reunification efforts during his decades-long term in office. Başbuğ said any lasting settlement in Cyprus must be based on the recognition of the political equality and sovereignty of the two sides .
Başbuğ's visit to Cyprus followed that of Chief of General Staff Gen. Yaşar Büyükanıt. Both commanders visited the KKTC amid renewed efforts to restart reunification talks between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot sides. Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat and Greek Cypriot leader Dimitris Christofias met on March 21 and agreed to begin reunification talks three months later. A UN envoy then visited Cyprus, Greece and Turkey to explore the readiness of the parties concerned for a new UN-led reunification process.

While in Cyprus, Büyükanıt said some 35,000 Turkish troops currently stationed in Turkish Cyprus would remain on the island until a just solution is found and Talat later backed the top commander, saying he echoed the Turkish Cypriot quest for a lasting settlement. Başbuğ said in his meeting with Denktaş that a reunification deal for Cyprus must also endorse the current international agreements that give Turkey, Greece and Britain guarantorship rights over the island.

He said while meeting Talat that the Turkish troops have brought peace not only to Turkish Cyprus but to the whole island. Talat said for his part that the Turkish Cypriot side was working hard to reach an acceptable solution and added that support from all institutions concerned, including the Turkish military, was important for these efforts to succeed.

Başbuğ also met Parliament Speaker Fatma Ekenoğlu and Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer. "Delusional Greek Cypriot efforts to pit the Turkish Armed Forces [TSK] against the Turkish Cypriot administration and people are not acceptable," Soyer said while meeting Başbuğ.

[shahmaran]

That's funny Bir, because when Buyukanit AND Erdogan openly state that the army will gradually retreat once a lasting solution has been found, no one takes them seriously, but when certain high ranking officers come to the island everyone can quickly read all sorts of messages from their actions alone.

There is no winning with you people and your prejudices.

[Nikitas]

Lesson from my history teacher:

"the real power in a country, gentlemen, is the army". The officers went to Cyprus to remind everyone that they are the power on the island and nothing happens without their approval.

In the Annan plan the Turkish army laid down a series of detailed force and firepower requirements which would give the Turkish army, at every stage of the withdrawal process, crushing advantages over all other forces on the island. The same people laid down the territorial arrangements which were designed according to military needs and not on the needs of the Cypriots.

The most glaring example is the line of contact between the TC component state and the British base of Dhekelia, effectively cutting the GC area in two. Thus making the TC statelet the largest contiguous land mass on the island.

This is all military bullshit. Letting generals dictate the details of a political solution will put us back in 1960. Generals can advise, they cannot dictate a political solution. The only thing needed to remind them of this is for the politicians to show they have balls. Do they?

[BirKibrisli]

Turkish Cypriots slammed Greek Cypriots Tuesday for accusing the Turkish army of hindering peace initiatives on the divided island, warning that such charges could endanger reunification talks.
NICOSIA - Agence France-Presse

"Turkey – with its government, army and other institutions – has backed the settlement process and repeatedly proven that it does not consider it to be against its interests," Hasan Erçakıca, spokesman of Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat, told reporters.

Erçakıca described Greek Cypriot allegations of discord between the Turkish Cypriots and Ankara as "dangerous" and urged Greek Cypriots to abandon such rhetoric.

"If the Greek Cypriot side maintains efforts to create wrong impressions by distorting the realities ... This could become an impeding factor in the process of finding a solution to the Cyprus problem," he said.


Commander says new Cyprus deal must acknowledge KKTC (TRNC)

Any new reunification deal in Cyprus must acknowledge the presence of the Turkish Cypriot state on the island, a top Turkish commander visiting the island said yesterday.

Commander says new Cyprus deal must acknowledge KKTC
Any new reunification deal in Cyprus must acknowledge the presence of the Turkish Cypriot state on the island, a top Turkish commander visiting the island said yesterday.

"The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus [KKTC] is a reality. If you really want a comprehensive, lasting and just solution, you have to acknowledge this fact," Land Forces Commander Gen. İlker Başbuğ said during a meeting with Rauf Denktaş, the former president of the KKTC who opposed reunification efforts during his decades-long term in office. Başbuğ said any lasting settlement in Cyprus must be based on the recognition of the political equality and sovereignty of the two sides .
Başbuğ's visit to Cyprus followed that of Chief of General Staff Gen. Yaşar Büyükanıt. Both commanders visited the KKTC amid renewed efforts to restart reunification talks between the Turkish and Greek Cypriot sides. Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat and Greek Cypriot leader Dimitris Christofias met on March 21 and agreed to begin reunification talks three months later. A UN envoy then visited Cyprus, Greece and Turkey to explore the readiness of the parties concerned for a new UN-led reunification process.

While in Cyprus, Büyükanıt said some 35,000 Turkish troops currently stationed in Turkish Cyprus would remain on the island until a just solution is found and Talat later backed the top commander, saying he echoed the Turkish Cypriot quest for a lasting settlement. Başbuğ said in his meeting with Denktaş that a reunification deal for Cyprus must also endorse the current international agreements that give Turkey, Greece and Britain guarantorship rights over the island.

He said while meeting Talat that the Turkish troops have brought peace not only to Turkish Cyprus but to the whole island. Talat said for his part that the Turkish Cypriot side was working hard to reach an acceptable solution and added that support from all institutions concerned, including the Turkish military, was important for these efforts to succeed.

Başbuğ also met Parliament Speaker Fatma Ekenoğlu and Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer. "Delusional Greek Cypriot efforts to pit the Turkish Armed Forces [TSK] against the Turkish Cypriot administration and people are not acceptable," Soyer said while meeting Başbuğ.

There you go ,halil...You have proved my point. The generals came to tell us and the world what kind of solution they will accept in Cyprus...One that involves a two-state confederation with Turkey having the power of guarantor once again...Buyukanit also said the Turkish army will remain in Cyprus even after a solution...so what message do you get from these comments???

[BirKibrisli]

That's funny Bir, because when Buyukanit AND Erdogan openly state that the army will gradually retreat once a lasting solution has been found, no one takes them seriously, but when certain high ranking officers come to the island everyone can quickly read all sorts of messages from their actions alone.

There is no winning with you people and your prejudices.

Could that be because we know what we are talking about?
That we are amazed that as soon as some new hope arises for a solution in Cyprus, the present Chief and the future Chief-of-staff of the Turkish Army rush over to tell us what is and what is not acceptable???

Could it be that ,living in a democratic country,some of us are totally bewildered what gives these generals the power to dictate foreign and international affairs policy to their own civilian government??? Let alone a "foreign" so-called government!!!

[Get Real!]

That's funny Bir, because when Buyukanit AND Erdogan openly state that the army will gradually retreat once a lasting solution has been found, no one takes them seriously, but when certain high ranking officers come to the island everyone can quickly read all sorts of messages from their actions alone.

There is no winning with you people and your prejudices.

Could that be because we know what we are talking about?
That we are amazed that as soon as some new hope arises for a solution in Cyprus, the present Chief and the future Chief-of-staff of the Turkish Army rush over to tell us what is and what is not acceptable???

Could it be that ,living in a democratic country,some of us are totally bewildered what gives these generals the power to dictate foreign and international affairs policy to their own civilian government??? Let alone a "foreign" so-called government!!!

And all that happening while Erdogan's legitimacy is being questioned in courts! Weird system...

[halil]

birkibrisli,
my aim is here to show the forum members what is the positions of the sides at the present condition . it looks you have missed what Disi leader and Soyer said as well.
it looks the solution will be based on Bi-communal , bi-zonal state solution . Guarantees also be on the table . so far Yakavu and Nami agreed on 23 working groups . Soon we will learn the groups content as well . Both sides have to inform their public kibrisli. hiding or hijacking the agreements will not work . at the end we can have referendum again .
they have to tell the people truth otherwise we will have second annan plan shock.

[BirKibrisli]

birkibrisli,
my aim is here to show the forum members what is the positions of the sides at the present condition . it looks you have missed what Disi leader and Soyer said as well.
it looks the solution will be based on Bi-communal , bi-zonal state solution . Guarantees also be on the table . so far Yakavu and Nami agreed on 23 working groups . Soon we will learn the groups content as well . Both sides have to inform their public kibrisli. hiding or hijacking the agreements will not work . at the end we can have referendum again .
they have to tell the people truth otherwise we will have second annan plan shock.

23 working groups????? My God!!!! How long do they think we can wait for a solution???

This reminds me of a cheeky definition I read somewhere....A working-group is the meeting of some self-important people who,singly,can do nothing,but together can decide that nothing can be done...

I do hope they prove the definition wrong...

[halil]

birkibrisli,
my aim is here to show the forum members what is the positions of the sides at the present condition . it looks you have missed what Disi leader and Soyer said as well.
it looks the solution will be based on Bi-communal , bi-zonal state solution . Guarantees also be on the table . so far Yakavu and Nami agreed on 23 working groups . Soon we will learn the groups content as well . Both sides have to inform their public kibrisli. hiding or hijacking the agreements will not work . at the end we can have referendum again .
they have to tell the people truth otherwise we will have second annan plan shock.

23 working groups????? My God!!!! How long do they think we can wait for a solution???

This reminds me of a cheeky definition I read somewhere....A working-group is the meeting of some self-important people who,singly,can do nothing,but together can decide that nothing can be done...

I do hope they prove the definition wrong...

below was short news at 2 pm today.
SENIOR AIDES OF TWO LEADERS IN CYPRUS MEET AGAIN AT LEDRA PALACE HOTEL.
Senior aides of the two leaders in Cyprus will meet again this afternoon to continue their fork on the establishment of experts’ working groups and technical committees.
Ozdil Nami and Greek Cypriot Leader Dimitris Christofias’ adviser Yorgos Yakovu will meet at 3 o’clock at the Ledra Palace Hotel in the UN-controlled buffer zone in Lefkosa.
The two men aim to conclude their work on the setting of the agendas of the working groups and technical committees by the end of the week-end.